How many of you would be panicking if...

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
The 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear' mentality that's so pervasive in this thread really sheds some light on the state of affairs in this country. It's all fine and good until you realize the people who define what is right and wrong by law start having drastically different ideas that you, and you start having things to hide like the books you read, your voting record, your sexual identitiy, etcetera. Where does it end?

It doesn't need to end....didn't you hear me??? I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!!!

 

[Staples]

More jobs for clean people like me then.

I'd welcome random drug tests.

 

[CKent]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
The 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear' mentality that's so pervasive in this thread really sheds some light on the state of affairs in this country. It's all fine and good until you realize the people who define what is right and wrong by law start having drastically different ideas that you, and you start having things to hide like the books you read, your voting record, your sexual identitiy, etcetera. Where does it end?

It ends when we're all exactly the same. And at that point - see sig.

 

[BatmanNate]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
The 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear' mentality that's so pervasive in this thread really sheds some light on the state of affairs in this country. It's all fine and good until you realize the people who define what is right and wrong by law start having drastically different ideas that you, and you start having things to hide like the books you read, your voting record, your sexual identitiy, etcetera. Where does it end?

It doesn't need to end....didn't you hear me??? I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!!!

That's not what I hear, your mother says you spend an indulgent amount of time locked in the bathroom.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: Insane3D
I love the prevalence of the "if you have nothing to hide, what's the problem" attitude....seems to be the way this country is going..

Doesn't communism start that way?

According to the originator (Karl Marx) communism originates when the "proletariat" overthrow the "bourgesoise" and establish a dictatorship of the proletariat. However the "if you have nothing to hide whats the problem" attitude might be a good start on the road to totalitarianism.

Karl Marx envisioned a government that would disappear because the people would enforce their own rules toward the common good. He never imagined a brutal government that took advantage of its power. Look at what happened to the USSR, Cuba, and China. In the words of Animal Farm, "Some are more equal than others."

Communism in theory and communism in practice are two radically different things because communism fails to take into account the selfish nature of people.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: BatmanNate

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: BatmanNate
The 'Nothing to hide, nothing to fear' mentality that's so pervasive in this thread really sheds some light on the state of affairs in this country. It's all fine and good until you realize the people who define what is right and wrong by law start having drastically different ideas that you, and you start having things to hide like the books you read, your voting record, your sexual identitiy, etcetera. Where does it end?

It doesn't need to end....didn't you hear me??? I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE!!!

That's not what I hear, your mother says you spend an indulgent amount of time locked in the bathroom.

That might raise a good point....

Imagine a husband and wife. If they want to have sex, that's perfectly ok, and in the free world, it's never illegal for a husband to make love with his wife. It's moral, legal, and ethical. Do they have something to hide? Yes. It's a private thing that should remain private.

 

[cjgallen]

I had a drug test last week. No biggie.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gigapet
Don't be all high and mighty. Everyone has there price. Everyone.

You really have a sad outlook on life.

Reality is often times sad. Sorry you wish to ignore the facts of life. Cash Rules Everything Around Me.

You'll die one day. I hope you realize before then that even cash can't save you from it. Cash is only a noise you use to cover your ears from the ineffable but inescapable truth that we really have no clue about this whole thing we call life.

 

[40Hands]

In the words of Bill Hicks:

Here is my final point. About drugs, about alcohol, about pornography and smoking and everything else. What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fvck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet! I'm not scary. I'm basically just a joke-blower. That's basically all I am, a joke-blower on the back of some Mexican gardener, blowing jokes all over the driveway, a fairly harmless guy, believer in love and truth, anti-war, believer in the values under which this country was originally founded: Freedom of fvcking expression.

And for those of you out there who are having a little moral dilemma in your head about this, I'll answer it for you. It's none of your fvcking business! Take that to the bank, cash it, and take it on a fvcking vacation out of everybody's life.

 

[pclstyle]

poll added

 

[Koing]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gigapet
Don't be all high and mighty. Everyone has there price. Everyone.

You really have a sad outlook on life.

Reality is often times sad. Sorry you wish to ignore the facts of life. Cash Rules Everything Around Me.

You'll die one day. I hope you realize before then that even cash can't save you from it. Cash is only a noise you use to cover your ears from the ineffable but inescapable truth that we really have no clue about this whole thing we call life.

DUDE that doesn't mean he won't be spending his money like no tomorrow!

He may like a lot of money but that sure as hell doesn't mean he saves a lot of it.

Koing

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gigapet
Don't be all high and mighty. Everyone has there price. Everyone.

You really have a sad outlook on life.

Reality is often times sad. Sorry you wish to ignore the facts of life. Cash Rules Everything Around Me.

You'll die one day. I hope you realize before then that even cash can't save you from it. Cash is only a noise you use to cover your ears from the ineffable but inescapable truth that we really have no clue about this whole thing we call life.

kevin the nerd your statements are not mind blowing nor profound. Its common sense at least in my mind that everything tha tbegins must come to an end but thanks for reinforcing that basic concept in case I had forgotten. Perhaps you have no clue about what you want out of your own life and for that I am sorry for you.

 

[pclstyle]

Drugs in the poll meaning any substance that is routinely abused, and when abused (this means even infrequent recreational use- as long as it's outside of the drug's prescribed/medical purpose) can lead to the inability to perform a work function at OPTIMUM (key word, doesn't matter if you can program like a god even when you're high) effiency. And yes, other factors account for sub-optimum performance (like having a tummy ache, fighting with the spouse, being damn lazy, etc.) but let's not include them.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Koing

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gigapet
Don't be all high and mighty. Everyone has there price. Everyone.

You really have a sad outlook on life.

Reality is often times sad. Sorry you wish to ignore the facts of life. Cash Rules Everything Around Me.

You'll die one day. I hope you realize before then that even cash can't save you from it. Cash is only a noise you use to cover your ears from the ineffable but inescapable truth that we really have no clue about this whole thing we call life.

DUDE that doesn't mean he won't be spending his money like no tomorrow!

He may like a lot of money but that sure as hell doesn't mean he saves a lot of it.

Koing

lol....what....how did my comment turn into you make such irrelevant comments and speculation about my spending. hahaha.

 

[JDrake]

Its so tempting to vote in the categories you don't fit...

 

[imported_Phil]

If companies tested for people going out and getting wasted on work nights (alcohol) then I'd be sitting on the fence instead of being opposed to it. I might be a little fuzzy for the first hour, but at least I'm not hungover for most of the day or calling in "sick".

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gigapet
Don't be all high and mighty. Everyone has there price. Everyone.

You really have a sad outlook on life.

Reality is often times sad. Sorry you wish to ignore the facts of life. Cash Rules Everything Around Me.

You'll die one day. I hope you realize before then that even cash can't save you from it. Cash is only a noise you use to cover your ears from the ineffable but inescapable truth that we really have no clue about this whole thing we call life.

kevin the nerd your statements are not mind blowing nor profound. Its common sense at least in my mind that everything tha tbegins must come to an end but thanks for reinforcing that basic concept in case I had forgotten. Perhaps you have no clue about what you want out of your own life and for that I am sorry for you.

How dare you say I have no clue what I want out of my life. That is a bold assumption from someone who just said that everybody has their price. I myself have no price. I am a sinful man just like everyone else, but money is certainly not my vice.

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Linflas

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: Argo
Haven't touched a drug since college so I won't care.

you also don't have anything illegal in your home so it'd be fine for them to do random searches there too?

Personally guilty or not my privacy is more important than my current job. If they wer epaying me 6 or 7 figures I'd reconsider my privacy policy.

What you have in your home normally doesn't affect your performance at work. What you put in your body may.

Good so the moment they can document a reasonable suspicion that I am impaired at work they can test me. What I do after I walk out the door is my business.

If you come into work drunk, or high, or after using any type of illicit substance, a company should have the right to force you to take a drug test, and terminate you if they so choose.

As long as it doesn't affect how you do your job, as an employer I wouldn't care what you do.

You wouldnt have to be under the influence AT the office to test positive.

 

[nakedfrog]

Originally posted by: Staples
More jobs for clean people like me then.

I'd welcome random drug tests.

:roll:
That makes you so special.
What if you work with someone who excels at his job in every way, but he happens to toke up occasionally? Does that make his work less valuable than yours in some way?

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Staples
More jobs for clean people like me then.

I'd welcome random drug tests.

:roll:
That makes you so special.
What if you work with someone who excels at his job in every way, but he happens to toke up occasionally? Does that make his work less valuable than yours in some way?

That's the spirit of American capitalism. Nobody cares about the other guy. It's all about getting YOURSELF ahead in the world.

Edit: WORLD capitalism, not just American. (I guess these guys have totally forgotten about the economic consequences of John Nash's Governing Dynamics and how it proved Adam Smith wrong.)

 

[newParadigm]

Originally posted by: nakedfrog

Originally posted by: Ryan
My company doens't do drug tests, thank goodness

If they fired pizza delivery folks for smoking pot, there would be no one left to deliver pizza!

So QFT, I've worked at like 3 dif places, and have a lady friend that has worked at a few as well, and every there smoked cept for us, even the owners of like a few...

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: j00fek

Originally posted by: Eghck
I just took one, I thought they'd make me pee in a cup, but they cut some of my hair instead...

that is the basis of new procedures today. no more pee just hair, they can tell what you have done for the past 1-2yrs with this method.

So again is it ok for them to not hire someone who smoked pot legally 2 years ago when they were studying in holland?

I like that point.

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: kevinthenerd

Originally posted by: gigapet

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: gigapet
Don't be all high and mighty. Everyone has there price. Everyone.

You really have a sad outlook on life.

Reality is often times sad. Sorry you wish to ignore the facts of life. Cash Rules Everything Around Me.

You'll die one day. I hope you realize before then that even cash can't save you from it. Cash is only a noise you use to cover your ears from the ineffable but inescapable truth that we really have no clue about this whole thing we call life.

kevin the nerd your statements are not mind blowing nor profound. Its common sense at least in my mind that everything tha tbegins must come to an end but thanks for reinforcing that basic concept in case I had forgotten. Perhaps you have no clue about what you want out of your own life and for that I am sorry for you.

How dare you say I have no clue what I want out of my life. That is a bold assumption from someone who just said that everybody has their price. I myself have no price. I am a sinful man just like everyone else, but money is certainly not my vice.

smells like we have a hippocrite in the room.

 

[kevinthenerd]

Originally posted by: gigapet
smells like we have a hippocrite in the room.

Hypocrite? You can't call everyone who fights for Goodness in the world a hypocrite just because they're human and can't live 100% to their own principles.

Your signature (in case you change it):

Originally posted by: gigapet
The greatest thought, the Supreme Being
The greatest power, love
The greatest weakness, lack of faith
The greatest certainty, change
The greatest sickness, fear
The greatest danger, ignorance
The greatest force, truth
The greatest good, peace
The greatest enemy: pride, hate, ego
The greatest victory, self control

Does anyone else see how this conflicts with such a pessimistic and shallow view of the world? Love is not ruled by money. Faith is not governed by money. Money is susceptible to change (bankruptcy, stock market crashes, etc.). Money, in excess, causes fear of future need. (You get dependent on it.) Money funds wars, causes the rich to boast, and helps people satisfy desires that they probably shouldn't be satisfying.

Tell me again how "Cash Rules Everything Around [you]." Tell me again how the pending death of all of humanity has ANYTHING to do with what I want out of my own life. Tell me how you are not a sinner.

I hope you live to see that great force of truth.

 

[kevinthenerd]

By the way, I'm against random drug testing in ANY job, regardless of the pay. It's funny that some of my reasons for this have been mentioned by gigapet.