How many Americans deaths will Trump be directly responsible for due to COVID-45

[zzyzxroad]

Absolutely rediculous at it's face. The whole point is to limit infectious spread until a vaccine is developed. This isn't 1400's London. By all accounts we'll have a proper vaccine in q1/2 next year, global deployments of hundreds of millions of doses by q3/4. Literally all anyone had to do was stay the fuck at home and interact with their family, and pick up a fucking hobby, and we'd be in a much better place, with less missing family members.

A vaccine will be awesome and I can't wait until we have one. What we have also gained is time and over time we have gathered tons of data. There is data showing masks likely help reduce viral load and a reduced viral load looks to result in a less severe case. Asymptomatic infection seems to be as good as a vaccine and we have masks today.

Plus social interaction is important for one sanity and key in early childhood development. Unfortunately we don't have a central body in the US that can help disseminate clear and up to date information.

 

[alexruiz]

I can't believe I voted10k with this administration. It should have been 2mil.

I voted 100,00.
I thought that even someone as stupid as the cheeto would eventually get a hint of his incompetence and at some point let Fauci run the the show.
Turn out I gave the cheeto too much credit.

 

[Jaskalas]

Absolutely rediculous at it's face. The whole point is to limit infectious spread until a vaccine is developed.

If one is widely distributed in time, and if it works. AND if the virus does not mutate enough to bypass it next year.

We've never stopped the flu. And COVID is more contagious than that. Maybe it does not mutate as often though. Success there is not guaranteed. We'll see.

But actually stopping the spread of COVID globally would change my reaction to us having had so many infections early on. In that case those behind the curve would gain an immense benefit. If they have any economy left. America is in a unique position of having such an advanced AND fragile economic system. People are right to panic over shutdowns, and to weigh that against letting the virus rip through us. In this country we have to choose between COVID and homes. Between COVID and food.

Members posting here are completely ignoring the costs of shutdown, and how it impacts us. There is a death toll there as well. There is a lot of pain and suffering and having to weigh it out because we lack the safety net we need to weather such storms. Americans need homes, and they need food, to the point of saying they'll risk COVID instead. Think about that.

Trump remains the symptom. He isn't our root problem. We need stop BSing and focus on our safety net. Queue 50 more posts crying over what constitutes hospitals failing, or whether I am impressed over our current death toll. We cannot do what you think is the right thing - if our economic system has left our people too wounded and afraid to try it.

 

[blackangst1]

If one is widely distributed in time, and if it works. AND if the virus does not mutate enough to bypass it next year.

We've never stopped the flu. And COVID is more contagious than that. Maybe it does not mutate as often though. Success there is not guaranteed. We'll see.

But actually stopping the spread of COVID globally would change my reaction to us having had so many infections early on. In that case those behind the curve would gain an immense benefit. If they have any economy left. America is in a unique position of having such an advanced AND fragile economic system. People are right to panic over shutdowns, and to weigh that against letting the virus rip through us. In this country we have to choose between COVID and homes. Between COVID and food.

Members posting here are completely ignoring the costs of shutdown, and how it impacts us. There is a death toll there as well. There is a lot of pain and suffering and having to weigh it out because we lack the safety net we need to weather such storms. Americans need homes, and they need food, to the point of saying they'll risk COVID instead. Think about that.

Trump remains the symptom. He isn't our root problem. We need stop BSing and focus on our safety net. Queue 50 more posts crying over what constitutes hospitals failing, or whether I am impressed over our current death toll. We cannot do what you think is the right thing - if our economic system has left our people too wounded and afraid to try it.

Well said.

 

[zzyzxroad]

If one is widely distributed in time, and if it works. AND if the virus does not mutate enough to bypass it next year.

We've never stopped the flu. And COVID is more contagious than that. Maybe it does not mutate as often though. Success there is not guaranteed. We'll see.

But actually stopping the spread of COVID globally would change my reaction to us having had so many infections early on. In that case those behind the curve would gain an immense benefit. If they have any economy left. America is in a unique position of having such an advanced AND fragile economic system. People are right to panic over shutdowns, and to weigh that against letting the virus rip through us. In this country we have to choose between COVID and homes. Between COVID and food.

Members posting here are completely ignoring the costs of shutdown, and how it impacts us. There is a death toll there as well. There is a lot of pain and suffering and having to weigh it out because we lack the safety net we need to weather such storms. Americans need homes, and they need food, to the point of saying they'll risk COVID instead. Think about that.

Trump remains the symptom. He isn't our root problem. We need stop BSing and focus on our safety net. Queue 50 more posts crying over what constitutes hospitals failing, or whether I am impressed over our current death toll. We cannot do what you think is the right thing - if our economic system has left our people too wounded and afraid to try it.

It's his job to get accurate up to date information out to the people of the US. It is also his job to bring the country together but instead he has driven us farther apart. He is more than a symptom and is part of the problem.

 

[MtnMan]

It's his job to get accurate up to date information out to the people of the US. It is also his job to bring the country together but instead he has driven us farther apart. He is more than a symptom and is part of the problem.

Trump wants a vaccine before election day ONLY for political reasons. He has made it clear he would bypass safety testing phase. He doesn't give a damn if you live or die, it IS all about him.

I am NOT an anti-vaxer, I get a flu shot every year, including this one. However I would not be in line for a vaccine that Trump pushed out before it is proven both safe and effective, or at least as effective as these things get.

 

[ch33zw1z]

If one is widely distributed in time, and if it works. AND if the virus does not mutate enough to bypass it next year.

We've never stopped the flu. And COVID is more contagious than that. Maybe it does not mutate as often though. Success there is not guaranteed. We'll see.

But actually stopping the spread of COVID globally would change my reaction to us having had so many infections early on. In that case those behind the curve would gain an immense benefit. If they have any economy left. America is in a unique position of having such an advanced AND fragile economic system. People are right to panic over shutdowns, and to weigh that against letting the virus rip through us. In this country we have to choose between COVID and homes. Between COVID and food.

Members posting here are completely ignoring the costs of shutdown, and how it impacts us. There is a death toll there as well. There is a lot of pain and suffering and having to weigh it out because we lack the safety net we need to weather such storms. Americans need homes, and they need food, to the point of saying they'll risk COVID instead. Think about that.

Trump remains the symptom. He isn't our root problem. We need stop BSing and focus on our safety net. Queue 50 more posts crying over what constitutes hospitals failing, or whether I am impressed over our current death toll. We cannot do what you think is the right thing - if our economic system has left our people too wounded and afraid to try it.

Guess what dude, if people wore masks and social distanced, behavior was more responsible, then the shutdowns would be done and we'd be picking up the pieces a bit faster here.

Let's see how that socialist safety net plays out, that's a dirty word tho. You should probably stock up on boot straps and prayer mats tho.

I haven't seen anyone say we need to eradicate it, just like the flu, it's something we manage WITH a vaccine that's dynamic year to year. H1N1 is included every year, cuz the pandemic it caused.

We had two warnings to get a coronavirus vaccine generated, and basically ignored both. Allowing millions to die in our country alone doesn't seem like a feasible option at all, and apparently responsible behavior is too high brow for americans. But no worries, we didnt fail.

 

[VRAMdemon]

The DumpsterFire in Chief apparently thinks saying that “Biden will listen to the scientists” is a bad thing.

Trump says if Biden's elected, "he'll listen to the scientists"

The Biden campaign responded, "Now new coronavirus cases are surging and layoffs are rising."

www.axios.com

 

[you2]

One thing that is being ignored is the long term health issues that many survivors of covid-19 will face and the implications of those issues on the health system. I don't think anyone realize what a long term mess this arse is creating with regards to covid-19 much less all the other messes he has created.

 

[esquared]

One thing that is being ignored is the long term health issues that many survivors of covid-19 will face and the implications of those issues on the health system. I don't think anyone realize what a long term mess this arse is creating with regards to covid-19 much less all the other messes he has created.

Intesting you mentioned that. Many don't understand how the "long haulers" of COVID19 are direly affected.
Here's something I read minutes ago.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/christopher-cross-covid-19-paralyzing-guillain-barre-212543110.html

Christopher Cross says he walks with a cane and is neurologically 'foggy' after battling COVID-19 and Guillain-Barré syndrome

 

[K1052]

We've never stopped the flu. And COVID is more contagious than that. Maybe it does not mutate as often though. Success there is not guaranteed. We'll see.

We already know the coronavirus does not rapidly mutate in ways that are likely to impact vaccine development. I just don't get the fixation on using influenza as the prism for viewing the future when they are so little alike.

 

[brycejones]

We already know the coronavirus does not rapidly mutate in ways that are likely to impact vaccine development. I just don't get the fixation on using influenza as the prism for viewing the future when they are so little alike.

It comes from desperation to put the crisis into a context they can understand and feels comfortable vs dealing with reality.

 

[MtnMan]

The DumpsterFire in Chief apparently thinks saying that “Biden will listen to the scientists” is a bad thing.

Trump says if Biden's elected, "he'll listen to the scientists"

The Biden campaign responded, "Now new coronavirus cases are surging and layoffs are rising."

www.axios.com

Just pandering to his base, the fucking stupid.

Of course they are all hypocrites, because as soon as they have a disease, they rush off to have science save them, even taking a helicopter ride where a team of 10 men of science tended to him.

 

[MtnMan]

We already know the coronavirus does not rapidly mutate in ways that are likely to impact vaccine development. I just don't get the fixation on using influenza as the prism for viewing the future when they are so little alike.

There was no vaccine developed for the Spanish flu, but it did mutate to a less lethal virus in just over a year.

 

[K1052]

There was no vaccine developed for the Spanish flu, but it did mutate to a less lethal virus in just over a year.

I don't know that was ever conclusively proven. Somebody else who knows about that pandemic might be able to shed some light.

I do recall the first influenza vaccine wasn't available until the 30s.

 

[zzyzxroad]

Fauci was on 60 minutes last night.

 

[Grey_Beard]

If one is widely distributed in time, and if it works. AND if the virus does not mutate enough to bypass it next year.

We've never stopped the flu. And COVID is more contagious than that. Maybe it does not mutate as often though. Success there is not guaranteed. We'll see.

But actually stopping the spread of COVID globally would change my reaction to us having had so many infections early on. In that case those behind the curve would gain an immense benefit. If they have any economy left. America is in a unique position of having such an advanced AND fragile economic system. People are right to panic over shutdowns, and to weigh that against letting the virus rip through us. In this country we have to choose between COVID and homes. Between COVID and food.

Members posting here are completely ignoring the costs of shutdown, and how it impacts us. There is a death toll there as well. There is a lot of pain and suffering and having to weigh it out because we lack the safety net we need to weather such storms. Americans need homes, and they need food, to the point of saying they'll risk COVID instead. Think about that.

Trump remains the symptom. He isn't our root problem. We need stop BSing and focus on our safety net. Queue 50 more posts crying over what constitutes hospitals failing, or whether I am impressed over our current death toll. We cannot do what you think is the right thing - if our economic system has left our people too wounded and afraid to try it.

I disagree with you. To say we have a choice between COVID and whatever is a false equivalence. It is the 40 to 50 years of low wage growth that has left us in the position that some need to work and expose themselves to an infection of a deadly disease than the alternative. I find it amazing that many here think this thought process is okay. This is the wealthiest country in the history of civilization, but we cannot shut it down to save a life? Oh, the suicides, wife beatings, etc, the cop out response. Show the data where deaths from suicide have been 20,000 more than usual, let alone 200,000. We cannot pay people a living wage high enough that allows someone to save 6 months of salary to get through something like this. We have based our lives on what possessions we have and ignored the basics. Then again the top .01% made money over the pandemic and has out paced the earnings of the general public over the last 40 to 50 years. Your post is irresponsible. Oh, yeah, you’ll be one of those .01% earning folks. I hope you make it. It is disgraceful that we have to choose between making a living and getting exposed to a deadly virus. Keep on with the propaganda, though.

 

[Grey_Beard]

I don't know that was ever conclusively proven. Somebody else who knows about that pandemic might be able to shed some light.

I do recall the first influenza vaccine wasn't available until the 30s.

On the three years of the Fort Riley, KS flu of 1918, we actually developed herd immunity. The virus did not mutate and the immunity was long lasting; therefore, it died out steadily over the next few years. It decimated the working population since it hit the 20-50 years olds of the population hard. It was not as deadly in the older populations. The immunity to this virus was longer than we think is available for our current one. The annual flu has no long lasting immunity, which is why we need to vaccination each year (that and the mutations).

This is a good History Channel post about the 1918 flu: https://www.history.com/topics/world-war-i/1918-flu-pandemic

 

[zzyzxroad]

And that just happened

https://twitter.com/x/status/1318252740431155200

 

[Muse]

Trump routinely dismisses the threat.

Trump appoints an idiot that does not even believe in science to spearhead the response to the threat!

Trump believes that it is a plot by democrats to discredit him before the elections and cause him to lose the election.

Trump attacks/threatens/fires people knowledgeable in the field of communicable diseases because they dare to criticize his actions or response.

Trump said that schools and other institutions do not need to plan to deal with a possible outbreak.

Trump said "It's going to disappear. One day it's like a miracle, it will disappear,"

Trump said that spring time and warm weather would take care of it.

He seems to be wrong about everything covid. Keeps saying publicly that we've all but defeated the virus, but it looks like the virus is about the grab America by the throat and squeeze 'til you can't even sneeze. Michael Osterholm (renown epidemiologist) said today we're going to face a covid crisis that makes what we've seen relatively trivial in contrast in the coming 12 weeks. 220,000 dead now. Close to 9 million confirmed cases. A million dead on Trump's head is very possible. How many millions with chronic or lifetime disabilities from it?

 

[nickqt]

And that just happened

https://twitter.com/x/status/1318252740431155200

Imagine how insecure someone would have to be to want to vote for an insecure shitbag like this for PRESIDENT.

Beta Cucks For Trump.

 

[SMOGZINN]

If one is widely distributed in time, and if it works. AND if the virus does not mutate enough to bypass it next year.

The way I see it we either find a working and safe vaccine and get it widely distributed, or it is basically the end of our civilization.
Because, if we are not able to make a working vaccine it is because there is also no such thing as herd immunity, which means this is never going to end.
This is not the end of mankind, just the end of the way our current civilization works. Densely populated cities are just no longer viable if there is something that is going to kill 2% of the population every year. Our social expectations will have to change to have a large percentage of our citizens unable to work for months at a time, and it looks like there are long term effects of this disease that we might have to learn to cope with. Hell, in the long run these changes might be good for us. Experts have been saying for a long time that our civilization is ripe for a disease to ravish us.
But change never comes easy. If we never stop this then it is going to get really ugly. We are looking at some major societally upheaval.

Members posting here are completely ignoring the costs of shutdown, and how it impacts us. There is a death toll there as well. There is a lot of pain and suffering and having to weigh it out because we lack the safety net we need to weather such storms. Americans need homes, and they need food, to the point of saying they'll risk COVID instead. Think about that.

No, because most of us don't think that full shutdowns are the best course of action. They were needed at the very beginning, and might be needed as spot treatments to bust particularly bad outbreaks, but we should have mostly gone past major shutdowns. It is mask wearing and social distancing, and actually convincing both workers and employers that it is their best interest to not encourage sick workers to come into public spaces. But currently half our leaders are treating this as a political issue and trying to create a wedge out of it. A large portion of Americans listen to those leaders, and don't take this thing seriously. They only wear masks when forced to, and then do everything they can to get around it.

Trump remains the symptom. He isn't our root problem.

It is often the symptoms that kill you. You have to treat them in order to have time to treat the cause.

 

[KMFJD]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/coronavirus-excess-deaths/2020/10/20/1e1d77c6-12e1-11eb-ba42-ec6a580836ed_story.html

This report states it's much worse than we thought

 

[Muse]

The way I see it we either find a working and safe vaccine and get it widely distributed, or it is basically the end of our civilization.

All along, the experts have been optimistic that vaccines will emerge that are effective. I'm not pessimistic. I'm also not as afraid of the vaccines in trials as most people, but that may be because I'm not well informed. I've taken vaccines all my life and can't remember regretting doing so.

If you haven't, consider the shingles vaccine, if it's recommended to you. I had shingles and it was no fun. Wasn't horrible but it was quite difficult for a while with the itching and pain.

 

[SMOGZINN]

All along, the experts have been optimistic that vaccines will emerge that are effective. I'm not pessimistic. I'm also not as afraid of the vaccines in trials as most people, but that may be because I'm not well informed. I've taken vaccines all my life and can't remember regretting doing so.

If you haven't, consider the shingles vaccine, if it's recommended to you. I had shingles and it was no fun. Wasn't horrible but it was quite difficult for a while with the itching and pain.

I'm a proponent of vaccines. I have not yet taken the shingles vaccine, but that is because I'm just under the recommended age for it.

As for a Covid vaccine coming out soon? I am not so sure. This vaccine will not be like other vaccines we have created. It will be made using a new method that has never been tested in large populations of humans and will not have been well tested. Last research I read on the potential vaccines show that they are having a large percentage of side effects not normally seen in vaccines, and while most of them are mild, they are using very limited test groups. Last I read that in their entire test groups across all three companies in the lead there was not a single person with Type I diabetes. I'm not saying I won't take it, but I am going to make the decision after having read the existing research for myself.