How long will it take for all of us to just get along?

[theeedude]

That sort of revelation doesn't do much good when you're already in the belly of the beast which is where Repub politicos intend to put us. One more really big gulp to swallow us whole.

The Republican "beast" is a paper tiger. Without consent of the governed, they are done.

 

[justoh]

We already get along. Thread solved. Could have solved this in 4 words, yet you guys needed 4 pages, to get nowhere. Don't need this kind of inefficiency in govt.

 

[glenn1]

People are going overboard criticizing the bubble quiz. As a research tool, it wasn't really intended to be a useful interpreted on an individual level. The point was to find some measure that would distinguish the social isolation by zip code. Of note, even the lowest income/education zip codes had scores averaging in the 40s. It wasn't until you got really up there that there was a sharp decline into lower scores.

Point taken but then my feedback would shift to why the quiz only seems to be inquiring about those in an "elite left wing bubble" from the blue collar midwest type folks. The later are in just as much of their own bubble to the experiences and concerns of a coastal urban progressive type. Questions like "have you ever walked on a factory floor" or "do you know who this (insert NASCAR driver name here)" should be equally matched by questions seeking opposite type "bubble" mentality. Stuff like:

1. Are you personal friends with people who are first generation immigrants from more than one country (and not the one you're from originally)?
2. Have you ever been stopped by police mostly because of your skin color or similar characteristic?
3. Can you name the major precepts of the major religious groups beside the one to which you belong?
4. Have you ever represented the "management" side of an employment relationship and do things like make payroll, handle employee complaints, lay off a worker due to a business downturn, etc?
5. Have you ever lived/worked in or next to an urban area with high rates of crime, violence, drug use, and poverty?

 

[Commodus]

Point taken but then my feedback would shift to why the quiz only seems to be inquiring about those in an "elite left wing bubble" from the blue collar midwest type folks. The later are in just as much of their own bubble to the experiences and concerns of a coastal urban progressive type. Questions like "have you ever walked on a factory floor" or "do you know who this (insert NASCAR driver name here)" should be equally matched by questions seeking opposite type "bubble" mentality. Stuff like:

1. Are you personal friends with people who are first generation immigrants from more than one country (and not the one you're from originally)?
2. Have you ever been stopped by police mostly because of your skin color or similar characteristic?
3. Can you name the major precepts of the major religious groups beside the one to which you belong?
4. Have you ever represented the "management" side of an employment relationship and do things like make payroll, handle employee complaints, lay off a worker due to a business downturn, etc?
5. Have you ever lived/worked in or next to an urban area with high rates of crime, violence, drug use, and poverty?

That's a very appropriate point. Arguably, we're in our current political situation precisely because there are many people who have absolutely no idea what Muslims are like, what immigration is like, or what racial profiling is like. It's easy to support an unconstitutional immigration ban if your only image of Muslims comes from a shrieking Fox News host who acts like they're all ticking time bombs. It's easy to portray immigrants as leeches if you've never known someone who gave up everything they knew for a better opportunity abroad. And of course, it's easy to be that "all lives matter" jerk if you've never had police stop you just because you're the "wrong" skin color for the neighborhood.

This isn't to deny that the left has its own bubble problem, because it definitely does, but the Trump administration virtually revolves around creating and catering to a bubble.

 

[interchange]

Point taken but then my feedback would shift to why the quiz only seems to be inquiring about those in an "elite left wing bubble" from the blue collar midwest type folks. The later are in just as much of their own bubble to the experiences and concerns of a coastal urban progressive type. Questions like "have you ever walked on a factory floor" or "do you know who this (insert NASCAR driver name here)" should be equally matched by questions seeking opposite type "bubble" mentality. Stuff like:

1. Are you personal friends with people who are first generation immigrants from more than one country (and not the one you're from originally)?
2. Have you ever been stopped by police mostly because of your skin color or similar characteristic?
3. Can you name the major precepts of the major religious groups beside the one to which you belong?
4. Have you ever represented the "management" side of an employment relationship and do things like make payroll, handle employee complaints, lay off a worker due to a business downturn, etc?
5. Have you ever lived/worked in or next to an urban area with high rates of crime, violence, drug use, and poverty?

I had similar thoughts too. But it's better seen as a bubble study rather than the bubble study. And I'm not sure how well designed it was (largely wondering about selection bias off hand) as I only saw the media report online. As such, it's fun and does show that social isolation happens at a certain socioeconomic status point. Importantly, a very influential socioeconomic status point.

 

[agent00f]

People want to. We lack a strong leader to provide a realistic version of unity. Many liberals talk about it, but as a soft criticism rather than a realistic invitation.

This board is colored by only a few conservative trolls who aren't representative of what's out there. Unfortunately in the general public there are a ton of people who get their news from an echo chamber and are otherwise pretty poorly informed and not sophisticated about their beliefs. For example, because Trump dares to say things that are taboo, he is perceived as a straight shooter and honest by a great number of people. Many identify with him as a person better than they do any other politician. Because of that, they feel empathy for him when critical media comes out and feel he's being unfairly attacked. A great many people believe that conservative media is by leaps and bounds more informative and honest than mainstream media. And this isn't from Trump crying "fake news". If you ever consume conservative media, it has long been their calling card. They report ridiculously slanted things and take pride that the MSM isn't covering it as an example of liberal bias and that they are the only sources you can trust. They state this propaganda message every 10 minutes.

These people aren't bad. They aren't really much different than the average liberal whose facebook feed is full of HuffPo clickbait. The average American is lacking in some combination of interest, time, and intelligence to gather the necessary data to understand what smells fishy.

"Good" people don't go out of their way to carry water for the klan & such, nor do they identify with people who do. Of course even terrible people by any objective metric want to be seen as "good".

IMO, most people are good, but human nature compels to take care of family and self first. What smells fishy is the reason Trump is in the position, Including Bush.

People who're primarily selfish aren't "good" unless you define selfishness as the greatest good, which conservatives often do, particularly their "christians".

 

[agent00f]

To be sure, progressives are 100% guilty of this.

However, so are ultra-conservatives.

Regardless, you point is well taken.

I fully agree, it's no longer just a disagreement on policies and philosophies but after this election, it has gotten personal. There is a lot of hate and vitriol in most of the posts from both sides. It seems like people have emigrated from either the moderate left or right more to the extreme. A lot of the posts are just attack, attack, attack, beat someone until they are down.

Point taken but then my feedback would shift to why the quiz only seems to be inquiring about those in an "elite left wing bubble" from the blue collar midwest type folks. The later are in just as much of their own bubble to the experiences and concerns of a coastal urban progressive type. Questions like "have you ever walked on a factory floor" or "do you know who this (insert NASCAR driver name here)" should be equally matched by questions seeking opposite type "bubble" mentality. Stuff like:

1. Are you personal friends with people who are first generation immigrants from more than one country (and not the one you're from originally)?
2. Have you ever been stopped by police mostly because of your skin color or similar characteristic?
3. Can you name the major precepts of the major religious groups beside the one to which you belong?
4. Have you ever represented the "management" side of an employment relationship and do things like make payroll, handle employee complaints, lay off a worker due to a business downturn, etc?
5. Have you ever lived/worked in or next to an urban area with high rates of crime, violence, drug use, and poverty?

BothSides, "because the 2+2=4 people are just as bad as the 2+2=22 ones" --the 2+2=22 people

Degenerates make this argument because egalitarian people are particular vulnerable to it.