How long will it take for all of us to just get along?

[Jhhnn]

The subject seems troubled. Imagine the smug look on Donald's face if you put him in the same picture.

 

[sao123]

not sure how to interpret the scores of the quiz, but I got a 68.

I think the answer is never, and the country is going to split into two.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think the answer is never, and the country is going to split into two.

I long held that belief, and maybe still do. It's certainly a strong option on the table.
But lately I believe in another option. A path for us to take to unite the country behind the smoldering remains of trickle down and presenting a necessary leap forward with a new(er) deal. A grand bargain for people to believe in over the failed status quo.

The economy forced my hand, it can force many other people too.

 

[Will Thatcher]

I should of worded that different at the end. I won't do it intentionally. I still buy cheap clothes and gadgets that I'm sure are made in sweatshops and such. I have fancy gadgets and such I just realize that by having them I have a lot more than other people in this world. I respect it, I'm not going to go cry poor me because my car broke, I'm going to get greasy and fix the sob. Too many in the US today act like lifes is so tough even though they have it so easy. Not only because of where they are but modern times 100 years ago most people didn't have cars, electric, plumbing, central heating, etc.

Just to cut in a little, even in these modern days, you will find people that don't have cars, electricity, plumbing, etc. If you value what you have you can live a full and happy life. Do good and good things will come your way as well.

Regarding what JSt0rm says in his previous post, I have to agree that good, quality things need to be more appreciated, not only for their quality, but for the sweat and hard work it is put into making them. Nowadays you almost can barely find quality at it's fullest. This is a consumer world, made to buy, buy, buy!

 

[brandonbull]

We can start getting along again when Trump is out, and his supporters acknowledge some semblance of reality again.

For goodness' sake, these people support a President who lied about his inauguration crowd size because of his fragile ego. They reject the reality of climate science and don't mind a President who's trying to prop up the fossil fuel industry despite obvious signs that it's in an irreversible decline. They're willing to scapegoat entire religions and countries (and let's be honest, races) for the country's problems. And of course, they don't seem to have an issue with the President admitting to having fired the FBI director in a bid to thwart the Russia investigation.

I believe a rational, moderate right-wing demographic is out there... but right now, it's either a minority or is being drowned out by the mindless supporters who see politics as a game, and will enthusiastically support Republican corruption and lies so long as they feel their side "won." It's important to stress that there are people on the left who give the Democrats a free pass as well, but it's nowhere near as blatant and widespread as it is on the right at the moment. Get back to a world of logic and truth and we'll talk.

Presenting exhibit A.

 

[Commodus]

Presenting exhibit A.

Is this supposed to be a criticism? You're not exactly putting up a valiant assault here.

 

[HTFOff]

Democrats-republicans, liberals-conservatives. The division is not good for the country.

I reject the premise that healthy disagreement is bad for the country. Especially when it's the left that has become unhindged. I welcome it actually. There is no teeth behind the left. Hopefully they can keep their hands to themselves and not piss off right wingers too much. Lest we become pakistan with ICBMs.

 

[Commodus]

I reject the premise that healthy disagreement is bad for the country. Especially when it's the left that has become unhindged. I welcome it actually. There is no teeth behind the left. Hopefully they can keep their hands to themselves and not piss off right wingers too much. Lest we become pakistan with ICBMs.

The left is unhinged, and yet you gleefully support an administration that tells obvious, easily disproven lies on a near-daily basis and throws a temper tantrum when someone calls them out on it. An administration so corrupt and inept that it not only obstructs justice, but can't even stop the President from blowing the cover story for that obstruction.

 

[brandonbull]

Is this supposed to be a criticism? You're not exactly putting up a valiant assault here.

Your post is a prime example of why people won't be getting along anytime in the near future. Progressives display their unstable mental state with their perceived moral and intellectual superiority and openly unleash a constant condescending tone on anyone not toeing the line. What do you think is going to happen when Progressives constantly attack others with false or dishonest talking points and add on the threat of violence or constant harassment?

 

[HomerJS]

Your post is a prime example of why people won't be getting along anytime in the near future. Progressives display their unstable mental state with their perceived moral and intellectual superiority and openly unleash a constant condescending tone on anyone not toeing the line. What do you think is going to happen when Progressives constantly attack others with false or dishonest talking points and add on the threat of violence or constant harassment?

I tell you what, once you explain supporting Trump's crowd size claim, wiretap claim, birther claim and tell me again that the left has visions of superiority. As long as opinions are fact based color me superior.

 

[dank69]

not sure how to interpret the scores of the quiz, but I got a 68.

I think the answer is never, and the country is going to split into two.

Nope. The liberals will beat the conservatives into submission just like last time.

 

[edcoolio]

Your post is a prime example of why people won't be getting along anytime in the near future. Progressives display their unstable mental state with their perceived moral and intellectual superiority and openly unleash a constant condescending tone on anyone not toeing the line. What do you think is going to happen when Progressives constantly attack others with false or dishonest talking points and add on the threat of violence or constant harassment?

To be sure, progressives are 100% guilty of this.

However, so are ultra-conservatives.

Regardless, you point is well taken.

 

[Commodus]

Your post is a prime example of why people won't be getting along anytime in the near future. Progressives display their unstable mental state with their perceived moral and intellectual superiority and openly unleash a constant condescending tone on anyone not toeing the line. What do you think is going to happen when Progressives constantly attack others with false or dishonest talking points and add on the threat of violence or constant harassment?

I'm not talking about smug superiority. I'm talking about maintaining a basic grasp on reality.

When the President regularly tells lies you can disprove with a quick Google search, that's a red flag. When he not only rejects a broad scientific consensus but also the market reality based on that consensus (coal is dying, renewables are the future), that's not just an ideological stance... that's folly. And when the President explicitly admits to firing the FBI director in a bid to thwart an investigation, shouldn't that be raising alarm bells for anyone who believes in the rule of law and government accountability?

Also, there's a irony to claiming a threat of violence on the left given how much it happens on the right. We've seen Democratic political candidates withdraw from races due to right-wing death threats, for goodness' sake. Many on the right are far more reasonable than that, but don't act as if the right is squeaky clean... if anything, it's the exact opposite given how often it actively courts violent elements (see: attempts to kill anyone who looks even vaguely Muslim).

 

[dank69]

Your post is a prime example of why people won't be getting along anytime in the near future. Progressives display their unstable mental state with their perceived moral and intellectual superiority and openly unleash a constant condescending tone on anyone not toeing the line. What do you think is going to happen when Progressives constantly attack others with false or dishonest talking points and add on the threat of violence or constant harassment?

What you call "not toeing the line" is actually just "lying your asses off." What you call "false and dishonest talking points" are actually just "facts and evidence that contradict my closely held beliefs."

 

[Atreus21]

We'll get along when everyone stops being stupid and just agrees with me.

 

[glenn1]

I think someone needs to run on the platform of "Political Respect" rather than "Politically Correct". It's just as you say. You don't berate someone for their ideas. Give it an honest understanding and try to respect why someone feels/thinks the way they do.

This was an interesting quiz.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/making-sense/do-you-live-in-a-bubble-a-quiz-2/

I scored a 65 because of most of my childhood and early to late teenage life. I grew up in ground zero of many heavy "Trump" areas. I do get it. But I also understand that you just can't sit on your hands and think that electing an official will magically make that better.

64 and some of the questions are very dubious. If being "out of the bubble" means I need to go eat at a slop serving restaurant like Applebee's or TGI Fridays then I'll gladly stay in the bubble. Some of the others like "do you now or have you ever owned a pickup truck" is barely relevant since there are plenty of guys driving $50k Ford Super Duty trucks; the more relevant question would be "do you now or have you ever owned a car which likely would not pass state inspection or a wealthier person would feel unsafe driving"?

 

[Jhhnn]

Can't figure it out? We all believe things that aren't true. Some of us just become emotionally invested more deeply & easily than others leading to rejection of the truth when it becomes apparent. That's why conservatives believe in alternative facts. Just one example-

When one Democrat at a hearing asked Republican Representative and bill sponsor Jesse Kremer whether a geology professor would be allowed to tell a student who believed the Earth to be 6,000 years old that they are wrong, Kremer bristled. “The Earth is 6,000 years old. That’s a fact,” he said. (The Earth is, as a matter of empirical fact, a little over 4.5 billion years old.)

https://arstechnica.com/science/201...low-students-to-challenge-science-professors/

 

[Geekbabe]

Sadly I don't think we will all " just get along" for a very long time. The divide is too deep.

 

[DrunkenSano]

Sadly I don't think we will all " just get along" for a very long time. The divide is too deep.

I fully agree, it's no longer just a disagreement on policies and philosophies but after this election, it has gotten personal. There is a lot of hate and vitriol in most of the posts from both sides. It seems like people have emigrated from either the moderate left or right more to the extreme. A lot of the posts are just attack, attack, attack, beat someone until they are down.

 

[brainhulk]

Can't figure it out? We all believe things that aren't true. Some of us just become emotionally invested more deeply & easily than others leading to rejection of the truth when it becomes apparent. That's why conservatives believe in alternative facts. Just one example-



https://arstechnica.com/science/201...low-students-to-challenge-science-professors/

The reason for the emotional investment is the belief their culture and history is being threatened. Extremist conservatives couldn't accept a black president and his culture invading the White House. Now they take everything coming from the other aisle as a threat, whether rational or not. Liberals, refusing to accept the reversal of their progress, view conservative ideas as an insult to their intelligence. It's similar to the behaviour of extremist Muslims, who feel western ideas and influence are a threat to their way of life, I see all sides digging in.

What can we do to hit a reset button and say, no, change is not an "attack" on your culture or history. I guess there will always be people who brainwash others to promote tribalism/isolationism.

 

[xthetenth]

64 and some of the questions are very dubious. If being "out of the bubble" means I need to go eat at a slop serving restaurant like Applebee's or TGI Fridays then I'll gladly stay in the bubble. Some of the others like "do you now or have you ever owned a pickup truck" is barely relevant since there are plenty of guys driving $50k Ford Super Duty trucks; the more relevant question would be "do you now or have you ever owned a car which likely would not pass state inspection or a wealthier person would feel unsafe driving"?

29 because although I've worked more than one lower class job I don't watch tv and my family eats at home a lot (a luxury, sure, but it really seems like it's just drawing a circle around a lot of things that are popular and it's one of the most popular drums to beat on how those poors can save money). The military one is kind of interesting, but it's a poorly made question to get military literate civilians. Heck, the military is a small fragment of the population, isn't someone in a military career in their own bubble? The more I think about it the more it seems really arbitrary. I almost wonder if it's built around telling the guy who made it that he isn't in the bubble.

 

[Will Thatcher]

The reason for the emotional investment is the belief their culture and history is being threatened. Extremist conservatives couldn't accept a black president and his culture invading the White House. Now they take everything coming from the other aisle as a threat, whether rational or not. Liberals, refusing to accept the reversal of their progress, view conservative ideas as an insult to their intelligence. It's similar to the behaviour of extremist Muslims, who feel western ideas and influence are a threat to their way of life, I see all sides digging in.

What can we do to hit a reset button and say, no, change is not an "attack" on your culture or history. I guess there will always be people who brainwash others to promote tribalism/isolationism.

The moment has already passed, Hillary was the reset button, not only because of what she stood for, which of course is so that they get elected, but because a Woman, being "the most powerful man in the world" would have been something different and there could have been major changes in the miss conceptions of the majority!

 

[theeedude]

We'll see. I think we'll get along once we give Conservatism a try and it fails spectacularly like it had before the Great Depression. It will simply get to a point where pursuing Conservative policies will be so obviously counter to self preservation that even die hard Trumpists will get a clue.

 

[Jhhnn]

We'll see. I think we'll get along once we give Conservatism a try and it fails spectacularly like it had before the Great Depression. It will simply get to a point where pursuing Conservative policies will be so obviously counter to self preservation that even die hard Trumpists will get a clue.

That sort of revelation doesn't do much good when you're already in the belly of the beast which is where Repub politicos intend to put us. One more really big gulp to swallow us whole.

 

[interchange]

People are going overboard criticizing the bubble quiz. As a research tool, it wasn't really intended to be a useful interpreted on an individual level. The point was to find some measure that would distinguish the social isolation by zip code. Of note, even the lowest income/education zip codes had scores averaging in the 40s. It wasn't until you got really up there that there was a sharp decline into lower scores.