How long before there is a backlash against muslims in Europe?

[Victorian Gray]

Daesh does of course, just for starters.

I've worked with many Muslims in the past, who were good people.

I get the impression you might not even know any.

He read some scary propaganda on the internet and is now an expert.

 

[Blueychan]

He read some scary propaganda on the internet and is now an expert.

And you are so smart sitting there ignoring everything. Your president won't even identify the enemy for what they are.

You can believe what you want, but things are getting worst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8PCKVVxcE

 

[tynopik]

I've worked with many Muslims in the past, who were good people.

The plural of anecdote is not data

 

[tynopik]

If you agree with tynopik, it just reinforces how far out you are to begin with to me.

already resorting to ad hominem attacks?

 

[Orignal Earl]

And you are so smart sitting there ignoring everything. Your president won't even identify the enemy for what they are.

You can believe what you want, but things are getting worst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8PCKVVxcE

lol
What a maroon..

 

[Leyawiin]

I've never understood the propensity of many of the progressive/left people and politicians rushing to defending and play apologist for a reactionary, conservative to the point of being Medieval, misogynistic, homophobic religion and the often violent culture it spawned. Islam the antithesis of everything a liberal Western democracy holds dear. Yes, yes, not all Muslims are of that bent. Whatever.

 

[Victorian Gray]

And you are so smart sitting there ignoring everything. Your president won't even identify the enemy for what they are.

You can believe what you want, but things are getting worst.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5e8PCKVVxcE

My president? I don't have a president.

And, ooohhhh, *VERY SCARY* video. Well, not really. <shrug>

 

[umbrella39]

I've never understood the propensity of many of the progressive/left people and politicians rushing to defending and play apologist for a reactionary, conservative to the point of being Medieval, misogynistic, homophobic religion and the often violent culture it spawned. Islam the antithesis of everything a liberal Western democracy holds dear. Yes, yes, not all Muslims are of that bent. Whatever.

Well, another poster here put it best:

Conservatives are vehemently against generalization when it concerns themselves. But it's entirely ok to generalize "most Mexicans" or "most Muslims" as criminals/rapists/terrorists?

Whatever indeed... Selective indignation is very selective...

 

[Brian Stirling]

I've never understood the propensity of many of the progressive/left people and politicians rushing to defending and play apologist for a reactionary, conservative to the point of being Medieval, misogynistic, homophobic religion and the often violent culture it spawned. Islam the antithesis of everything a liberal Western democracy holds dear. Yes, yes, not all Muslims are of that bent. Whatever.

I hear ya, most don't!


Brian

 

[tynopik]

Well, another poster here put it best:

Conservatives are vehemently against generalization when it concerns themselves. But it's entirely ok to generalize "most Mexicans" or "most Muslims" as criminals/rapists/terrorists?

Whatever indeed... Selective indignation is very selective...

apparently it's ok for you to make generalizations about conservatives

 

[umbrella39]

Says the guy who apparently thinks it's ok to make generalizations about countries...

but, but, but the ODDZ!!!!

 

[CitizenKain]

I've never understood the propensity of many of the progressive/left people and politicians rushing to defending and play apologist for a reactionary, conservative to the point of being Medieval, misogynistic, homophobic religion and the often violent culture it spawned. Islam the antithesis of everything a liberal Western democracy holds dear. Yes, yes, not all Muslims are of that bent. Whatever.

Because we understand that not all of them are like that? Is this all that confusing for you to understand?

 

[tynopik]

Says the guy who apparently thinks it's ok to make generalizations about countries...

but, but, but the ODDZ!!!!

I wasn't the one decrying generalizations as evil.

I was merely pointing out your hypocrisy

(also, there's the minor point that your generalization was completely false while mine was based on fact)

 

[tynopik]

Because we understand that not all of them are like that? Is this all that confusing for you to understand?

Not all, but too many. 25% of them think targeting civilians in terror attacks can be justified.

I see no reason to allow such a group in the country

 

[lopri]

Trying to scapegoat Muslims is;

1) Wrong
2) Useless

1) is self-evident. As to 2), how are you going to determine who is Muslim, once you create an environment where Muslims do not feel free to live their lives as Muslims and decide to act non-Muslim (whatever that might be)? Spanish Inquisition?

 

[umbrella39]

Not all, but too many. 25% of them think targeting civilians in terror attacks can be justified.

I see no reason to allow such a group in the country

So is it fair to assume that you think that countries like Lebanon should be on your list? How about Jordan? I am genuinely curious what countries SHOULD be on this list...

EDIT: I have to get to sleep EST and have to get up early. Will check back in the morning...

 

[tynopik]

Trying to scapegoat Muslims is;

1) Wrong
2) Useless

1) is self-evident.

how so?

As to 2), how are you going to determine who is Muslim, once you create an environment where Muslims do not feel free to live their lives as Muslims and decide to act non-Muslim (whatever that might be)? Spanish Inquisition?

You are conflating 2 separate issues.
1. How we treat Muslims that are in country
2. Letting more Muslims in

You are absolutely correct that we need to be 'welcoming' and 'inclusive' and whatever other buzzword you want to throw out for Muslims that are already here.

However there's absolutely no reason to let in more

 

[jackstar7]

Not all, but too many. 25% of them think targeting civilians in terror attacks can be justified.

I see no reason to allow such a group in the country

Trump came out and stated plainly that he wanted to take out the families of terrorists.

Did his supporters bat an eye at that notion? And how many are their numbers...

 

[tynopik]

Trump came out and stated plainly that he wanted to take out the families of terrorists.

Did his supporters bat an eye at that notion? And how many are their numbers...

He said he didn't mean 'kill'

what did he mean? who knows, but he's plainly said he does not support killing the families of terrorists, so, whatever

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

And you say otherwise, thanks for clearing that one up...

Bottom line is, Islam has a problem with violence.

America has a problem with violence, and it's happening every day across the country, how can we address that?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Trying to scapegoat Muslims is;

1) Wrong
2) Useless

1) is self-evident. As to 2), how are you going to determine who is Muslim, once you create an environment where Muslims do not feel free to live their lives as Muslims and decide to act non-Muslim (whatever that might be)? Spanish Inquisition?

well duh, country of origin will be more than sufficient to help id those scary mooselmans.

and the obligitory

 

[tynopik]

America has a problem with violence, and it's happening every day across the country, how can we address that?

Not letting in people who are even more violent would be a good start . . .

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Not letting in people who are even more violent would be a good start . . .

So by not letting in people who are potentially violent will cure the problems we have already with violence in this country?

Show your work on that logic, please.

 

[MongGrel]

Trump came out and stated plainly that he wanted to take out the families of terrorists.

Did his supporters bat an eye at that notion? And how many are their numbers...

He said he didn't mean 'kill'

what did he mean? who knows, but he's plainly said he does not support killing the families of terrorists, so, whatever

Perhaps take them out for brunch :hmm:

 

[tynopik]

So by not letting in people who are potentially violent will cure the problems we have already with violence in this country?

no, but the first step to putting out a fire is to stop pumping gasoline on it