How Long Before The Sleeping Sheeple Finally Wake Up?

[SlickSnake]

No, I'm saying that the crime rate has precipitously declined, leaving stupid mayo shops in what were once crime-ridden, blighted areas.

I don't think you have a very good grasp on what the real world looks like currently.

You are using one microcosm example of where you live in an attempt to debate the violent crime statistics that generally don't support your position. Anyone living in a large city decimated by violent crime rates going up like Chicago or Detroit would be happy to tell you you are completely wrong in your mayo assumptions.

 

[SlickSnake]

No. You are a woman. Uncle Sam is made up of a lot of people, many of which are also people with fear centers bigger than their penises just like you.

Anyone who is so insecure about themselves and their position they feel the need to both belittle the opposite sex and compare penis size in order to win a debate, has already proven themselves to be a worthless troll and lost the debate.

Congratulations.

 

[SlickSnake]

This is another example of Availability heuristic

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Availability_heuristic

The availability heuristic is a mental shortcut that occurs when people make judgments about the probability of events by how easy it is to think of examples. The availability heuristic operates on the notion that if something can be recalled, it must be important. The availability of consequences associated with an action is positively related to perceptions of the magnitude of the consequences of that action. In other words, the easier it is to recall the consequences of something, the greater we perceive these consequences to be.

Sometimes this heuristic is beneficial, but the frequencies that events come to mind are usually not accurate reflections of their actual probability in real life

So, a good example of this at work, would be the obviously flawed scientific/corporate/government rational that was used to improperly quantify and essentially diminish the risk of a nuclear power plant having some kind of complete and total breakdown, like Fukushima did.

I mean, what really are the odds of an earthquake followed by a tsunami on a volcanic island where both are already a relatively common occurrence? Yet the availability heuristic was completely ignored in favor of the greedy corporate stupidity to place multiple reactors on top of an active fault line, on the coast, only a few feet above sea level.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

My .02....


Violent crime looked at as a whole has likely gone down.

However, the violent crimes that DO occur are far more brutal, random, and unfortunately tend to be easier to accept than they used to be.

20-30 years ago if someone was caught in a violent crime they were shunned by both society and our court systems.

Nowadays we apparently have to figure out the skin colors involved before coming to any conclusion, and THAT is a breakdown of society, in my opinion.

We are no longer judging based on actions, but instead based on skin colors and then trying to excuse the actions.

30 years ago if a thug viciously attacked an innocent person and was shot, the thug was buried and victim given a pat on the back.

Now if a thug viciously attacks an innocent person everyone has to go 3 generations back to determine lineage. That is a hugely backward step, to me anyway.


One side affect of all us this is more and more people being armed. Now that's an interesting statistic to me, that 'established' law abiding people are walking around with guns in their pockets.


To me, I think that in itself is going to be part of the impetus for any breakdown... The sudden realization that if you brutally attack someone you could very well get shot for it.


It's certainly going to be an interesting 20 years as thug culture combined with law abiding society comes to a head.

 

[fskimospy]

You are using one microcosm example of where you live in an attempt to debate the violent crime statistics that generally don't support your position. Anyone living in a large city decimated by violent crime rates going up like Chicago or Detroit would be happy to tell you you are completely wrong in your mayo assumptions.

Actually the violent crime statistics absolutely support my position. You're the one who is reduced to claiming they are all a huge lie and a government conspiracy.

My position is supported by credible statistics from an authoritative source coupled with personal experience to that effect. Your position is supported by nothing.

 

[SlickSnake]

I love troll polls.

Because of all the insecure trolls who's argument is based solely on penis size and belittling women?

 

[dank69]

Because of all the insecure trolls who's argument is based solely on penis size and belittling women?

Cool, I am now "all the trolls."

 

[SlickSnake]

Actually the violent crime statistics absolutely support my position. You're the one who is reduced to claiming they are all a huge lie and a government conspiracy.

My position is supported by credible statistics from an authoritative source coupled with personal experience to that effect. Your position is supported by nothing.

No, again, you are looking at your single microcosm and trying to make that fit your assumptions. Your position is supported by nothing, and the crime stats as reported by the FEDs, regardless of accuracy, already dispute your position.

And I never said the crime stats were a huge lie or conspiracy, I simply said they were not accurate, and there is no easy way to tell by how much they are off, and there is nobody even bothering to fact check the crime stats that are sent in, and there is no penalty for submitting erroneous data at all.

 

[SlickSnake]

Cool, I am now "all the trolls."

Great way to defend your penis size debate point while continuing to offer up nothing even worth responding to, just like a troll would.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Yeah I definitely do agree that they're not quite accurate.

You would have to be pretty daft to blindly trust the feds about something like this.

 

[fskimospy]

No, again, you are looking at your single microcosm and trying to make that fit your assumptions. Your position is supported by nothing, and the crime stats as reported by the FEDs, regardless of accuracy, already dispute your position.

No they don't. At all. If you think they do, please show how. Be specific and include your source.

And I never said the crime stats were a huge lie or conspiracy, I simply said they were not accurate, and there is no easy way to tell by how much they are off, and there is nobody even bothering to fact check the crime stats that are sent in, and there is no penalty for submitting erroneous data at all.

As for the accuracy of crime data, I assume you're talking about the UCR. First, your statement that the data are not checked is false. Not only are all submissions checked for reasonableness, but every reporting agency is audited every few years.

For your contention that crime is either the same or in fact going up, this would require a coordinated underreporting of crime statistics by approximately 15,000 separate agencies. This would have to cover not only property crimes, but huge numbers of murders would have to be ignored without anyone catching on. Needless to say, this is unlikely.

 

[dank69]

Great way to defend your penis size debate point while continuing to offer up nothing even worth responding to, just like a troll would.

I see my penis comment really struck a nerve. I'm terribly sorry. Do you know what we call a man that gets easily offended?

 

[SpatiallyAware]

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For your contention that crime is either the same or in fact going up, this would require a coordinated underreporting of crime statistics by approximately 15,000 separate agencies. This would have to cover not only property crimes, but huge numbers of murders would have to be ignored without anyone catching on. Needless to say, this is unlikely.

Do you truly believe that?

It's blatantly obvious that, for whatever reason, mainstream media specifically chooses not to report on certain types of violent crime.

Just like our 'modern progressives', they have to figure out the lineage of everyone involved before making a big deal about it.


To act like this isn't an issue is extremely naive.

 

[fskimospy]

Do you truly believe that?

It's blatantly obvious that, for whatever reason, mainstream media specifically chooses not to report on certain types of violent crime.

Just like our 'modern progressives', they have to figure out the lineage of everyone involved before making a big deal about it.

To act like this isn't an issue is extremely naive.

Gee, I'm so shocked you're trying to make this about race.

The media has nothing to do with this, you stupid, disgusting racist.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

Gee, I'm so shocked you're trying to make this about race.

The media has nothing to do with this, you stupid, disgusting racist.

So are you saying that the media does not choose to report on certain types of crimes?

Look I know this is a difficult conversation, but it's time to put on the big boy pants and face the reality of what's going on in our society.


Gee, I'm so shocked that your only defense in this is to cover your ears like a child and scream racist to anyone who happens to have an opinion which you don't agree with.

 

[fskimospy]

So are you saying that the media does not choose to report on certain types of crimes?

Look I know this is a difficult conversation, but it's time to put on the big boy pants and face the reality of what's going on in our society.


Gee, I'm so shocked that your only defense in this is to cover your ears like a child and scream racist to anyone who happens to have an opinion which you don't agree with.

No, I'm calling you a racist due to your well documented racism on here. I know that nobody wants to believe they are a racist and so I'm sure this conversation is difficult for you. The first step as admitting you have a problem. (this was the part where I am referring to you as disgusting)

On topic however, the media has nothing to do with the quality of data submitted to the FBI UCR by law enforcement agencies. (this is the part where I am referring to you as stupid)

 

[Anubis]

itll never happen without some outside force (solar flare/asteroid) type deal that gaues a global shift. people are in general to apathetic to give a F

 

[88keys]

This place is turning into a tin foil hat convention.

 

[SlickSnake]

No they don't. At all. If you think they do, please show how. Be specific and include your source.



As for the accuracy of crime data, I assume you're talking about the UCR. First, your statement that the data are not checked is false. Not only are all submissions checked for reasonableness, but every reporting agency is audited every few years.

For your contention that crime is either the same or in fact going up, this would require a coordinated underreporting of crime statistics by approximately 15,000 separate agencies. This would have to cover not only property crimes, but huge numbers of murders would have to be ignored without anyone catching on. Needless to say, this is unlikely.

I already included my source, and I was specific. But because my source didn't involve homemade mayo, you obviously must have missed it.

And your party line BS about the crime data being checked after submission to the feds is spurious at best, when all they will do is likely look at the numbers already submitted and see if they match. Which is hardly an accuracy audit at all. Because either under reporting or miscategorizing violent crimes when submitted will not be punished at any rate.

 

[SlickSnake]

I see my penis comment really struck a nerve. I'm terribly sorry. Do you know what we call a man that gets easily offended?

Let me take a wild guess based on your other posts, a woman?

Do you know what we call a man that contributes nothing to a topic besides women hating and penis length?

A forum troll.

 

[SlickSnake]

itll never happen without some outside force (solar flare/asteroid) type deal that gaues a global shift. people are in general to apathetic to give a F

That maybe true to an extent, but as long as there is stores full of cheap Chinese and Asian junk that destroyed middle class jobs here, then most fat and drunk sheeple will sleep through a revolution just like they sleep through most of the sports they "watch" on TV.

 

[dank69]

Let me take a wild guess based on your other posts, a woman?

Do you know what we call a man that contributes nothing to a topic besides women hating and penis length?

A forum troll.

No. We call him "all the trolls."

 

[fskimospy]

I already included my source, and I was specific. But because my source didn't involve homemade mayo, you obviously must have missed it.

And your party line BS about the crime data being checked after submission to the feds is spurious at best, when all they will do is likely look at the numbers already submitted and see if they match. Which is hardly an accuracy audit at all. Because either under reporting or miscategorizing violent crimes when submitted will not be punished at any rate.

No, you didn't include a source. If you think you did, please point it out to me.

Second, that is not what the feds do. You've now been caught lying twice about the data collection and validation procedures. Stop it.

 

[SpatiallyAware]

No, you didn't include a source. If you think you did, please point it out to me.

Second, that is not what the feds do. You've now been caught lying twice about the data collection and validation procedures. Stop it.

Eski you have being caught lying (oh sorry what do you call it? Changing phrasing to make a point) many times. Including your direct claims that zimmerman was "in jail" when your own "source" said nothing of the sort amongst many other similar false statements.




You have no room whatsoever to be constantly calling out members for "lying" when they're trying to argue a valid point or opinion which differs from your own. And I love how you demand sources when you rarely provide your own.

You are ruining your credibility on the forums, you already have a stigma of your statements not being trustable.

 

[fskimospy]

Eski you have being caught lying (oh sorry what do you call it? Changing phrasing to make a point) many times. Including your direct claims that zimmerman was "in jail" when your own "source" said nothing of the sort amongst many other similar false statements.

Saying things that are not correct is not lying. Saying things that are not correct on purpose is lying. You should know.

You have no room whatsoever to be constantly calling out members for "lying" when they're trying to argue a valid point or opinion which differs from your own. And I love how you demand sources when you rarely provide your own.

You are ruining your credibility on the forums, you already have a stigma of your statements not being trustable.

I quite frequently provide sources and I couldn't care less what someone such as yourself thinks about my 'credibility'. You're an ignorant, virulent racist with some really bizarre insecurity issues. I know I don't believe a single word you write because you're too dishonest and too emotionally caught up in your personal race war to be able to look at the world rationally.

I've said this before, but I want to make it clear that I find you disgusting.