How is this racist people ?

Drift3r

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Let's see some guy who weighed 400lbs, was on drugs, hurled racial slurs at the cops and attacked them when they came up to question him because he was lying down on the ground in the parking lot of a restaurant is now a victim of racism. How is this racism ? Oh did I mention that he attempted to reach for one of the cop's weapon ? Yet his death was somehow fueled by racism ? Sureeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee !

Coroner: Drugs Found In Man Who Died In Police Altercation

http://www.local6.com/news/2672416/detail.html

( Click on the video link and judge for yourself ! )
 

Genesys

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because people like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton love to represent the accepting tolerant non-racist party, but perpetuate racism at the same time. and he's black.
 

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What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

I'd love to see you handle a 400lb man with kid gloves who is also on drugs and hell bent on killing you. These brave cops did what needed to be done. Frankly had they shot this idiot they would still be within their rights of self defense.
 

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

I'd love to see you handle a 400lb man with kid gloves who is also on drugs and hell bent on killing you. These brave cops did what needed to be done. Frankly had they shot this idiot they would still be within their rights of self defense.

Your right, how many officers did it require to subdue the man? I am not sure about the baton being used, he may have still been struggling on the ground and he could still may have not have been. Reguardless, he is one less druggie on the street.
 

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I think the argument, at least according to the guy on O'Reilly, is that Cincy has a disproportionate amount of deaths of black men by the hands of police when looking at the national average. Frankly, I have no clue if this is correct, but apparently that is why there is so much outrage.
 

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Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

There were no bruises on his torso, just his arms and legs. his death *might* have something to do with the drugs in his body...
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I could'nt be a cop..same result, but I would'nt have played twittly winks on the groud with him.. \

I'm sorry KGB but when a PO arrives on the scene it's YES OFFICER or NO OFFICER, be respectful, coorperative and attentive. This man was insanely out of control and risked eveyones life.
 

Drift3r

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Originally posted by: Gaard
I think the argument, at least according to the guy on O'Reilly, is that Cincy has a disproportionate amount of deaths of black men by the hands of police when looking at the national average. Frankly, I have no clue if this is correct, but apparently that is why there is so much outrage.


Of course that guy was just trying to change the subject and use other incidents to distort this altercation. I am not a big O'Reily fan but damn it that guy was full of crap.
 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

did you not see the big dude take a swpie at one of the cops heads!! imagine a 350 lb enraged drugged up black mans fist swinging towords your head!!
 

Gaard

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

did you not see the big dude take a swpie at one of the cops heads!! imagine a 350 lb enraged drugged up black mans fist swinging towords your head!!

As compared to 350 lb enraged drugged up white mans fist? ;)

 

Genesys

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Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

did you not see the big dude take a swpie at one of the cops heads!! imagine a 350 lb enraged drugged up black mans fist swinging towords your head!!

As compared to 350 lb enraged drugged up white mans fist? ;)

nah, white men arent to be feared as much, they break easier ;)
 

Miramonti

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The guy was unbelievably strong and put up a helluva fight.

He's lucky he wasn't shot to death imo.
 

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Why can't the police shoot him in the foot or use some sort of rope or some stun gun or some chemicals or... is it fun to beat on black men with a baton?

 

sandorski

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I'd be curious what occured before hand. I saw a video of the guy dancing in a restaurant and I've seen a video of the cops pummeling him. Other than the acting in a bizarre fashion was he being violent?

The reason I ask is that perhaps the cops handled the situation in a "rushed" way, causing the guy to react in a violent manner.
 

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Originally posted by: dahunan
Why can't the police shoot him in the foot or use some sort of rope or some stun gun or some chemicals or... is it fun to beat on black men with a baton?



1.) Cops are trained to shot to kill. It makes no sense to shot someone on PCP who wants to kill you in the leg. Hint ! You will only make them more hell bent on killing you !

2.) Pepper spraying this guy would of been worse then what they did ! Remember he had an enlarge heart ( they did not know this at the time though ! ) from over eating and was high on drugs. Pepper spray has a bad habit of effecting your breathing and in some cases could lead to death. Stun guns would of also made no difference. Electrical shock to someone's body is just as bad in some cases, especially if that person has a prior heart condition as in this case. Also stun guns are not very effective against people who are high on drugs and feel little pain. Rodney King had several stun gun strings on him and he still managed to get up and lunge at the cops even while being beat on by other cops and yes he was high as well.

3.) The corner's report cited that the man had minor bruising on his legs and butt area from the baton. These areas are "homerun" spots if you are trying to knock someone down. Also his blubber actually helped in softening the blows and the drug usage also added to the reason as to why the cops gave him so many love taps on his legs and butt.

Monday morning quarterbacking is always nice if you are not the person in the life threatening situation.
 

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Originally posted by: sandorski
I'd be curious what occured before hand. I saw a video of the guy dancing in a restaurant and I've seen a video of the cops pummeling him. Other than the acting in a bizarre fashion was he being violent?

The reason I ask is that perhaps the cops handled the situation in a "rushed" way, causing the guy to react in a violent manner.

Click on the link I posted and and watch the video. He clearly rushes one cop and grabs him by the neck while he also is trying to grab his baton.
 

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Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: Gaard
Originally posted by: Genesys
Originally posted by: KGB
What ever he did/was doing does not make a lesser person than you and I? He really didn't hurt noone I presume and was under the influence. His actions should have gotten him cuffed and tossed into county jail, but not repeatedly beaten into submission and ultimately death. We all know cops are under great stress, their own lives, plus the care and protection of others. If cops are not mentally fit to deal with a situation, they are not physically either.

did you not see the big dude take a swpie at one of the cops heads!! imagine a 350 lb enraged drugged up black mans fist swinging towords your head!!

As compared to 350 lb enraged drugged up white mans fist? ;)

nah, white men arent to be feared as much, they break easier ;)

I fear Tank Abbot!:p
 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: Drift3r
Originally posted by: sandorski
I'd be curious what occured before hand. I saw a video of the guy dancing in a restaurant and I've seen a video of the cops pummeling him. Other than the acting in a bizarre fashion was he being violent?

The reason I ask is that perhaps the cops handled the situation in a "rushed" way, causing the guy to react in a violent manner.

Click on the link I posted and and watch the video. He clearly rushes one cop and grabs him by the neck while he also is trying to grab his baton.

Yup, but that was during, it doesn't show what lead up to that point.
 

dmcowen674

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, why don't police keep big nets in their cars? Ever see Planet of the Apes? Just throw the Net over them and they are going nowhere and can no longer hurt anyone.
 

tnitsuj

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, why don't police keep big nets in their cars? Ever see Planet of the Apes? Just throw the Net over them and they are going nowhere and can no longer hurt anyone.

YOU have to be joking right??
 

Bulk Beef

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, why don't police keep big nets in their cars? Ever see Planet of the Apes? Just throw the Net over them and they are going nowhere and can no longer hurt anyone.

YOU have to be joking right??
Aren't they actually developing something like that as a less-than-lethal option? I recall seeing some sort of bolo gun that would be used for tripping up a fleeing suspect.

Not that it matters in this case - PCP is a mind altering substance, and has the potential to turn a normally docile individual into a violent offender. Dust is not weed. I don't see where the cops had a whole lot of options here.

 

sandorski

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, why don't police keep big nets in their cars? Ever see Planet of the Apes? Just throw the Net over them and they are going nowhere and can no longer hurt anyone.

YOU have to be joking right??

Why not? Whether it works or not could be an issue, but it seems that there must be better ways to bring someone down these days then pummeling them into submission. We need the Gas of Peace! ;) :)
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: tnitsuj
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this, why don't police keep big nets in their cars? Ever see Planet of the Apes? Just throw the Net over them and they are going nowhere and can no longer hurt anyone.

YOU have to be joking right??

You should know by now I don't joke. With more and more out of Control "Animals", I don't care what "Color" or race, out there as you are seeing more and more on Police Videos it is obvious the existing methods do not work. Do you think using Clubs as if we are still in Cave Man times is anything above "Planet of the Apes" nets?

They said they were using "SOP", Standard Operating Procedure" for Police arrest. To club a person to death? :confused:

You can't say I'm some bleeding heart Liberal either. If I was up there in Ohio and there was no Nets available I would've at least called over a Fire Truck and knocked the guy on his Ass with a high powered blast from the Fire Hose.
 

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If I was one of those Cops I would have shot that Mofo, Black, White, Green or Purple. It's a good thing I'm not a Cop