How Insurers Are Hiding Obamacare Benefits From Customers

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Donna received the letter canceling her insurance plan on Sept. 16. Her insurance company, LifeWise of Washington, told her that they'd identified a new plan for her. If she did nothing, she'd be covered.

A 56-year-old Seattle resident with a 57-year-old husband and 15-year-old daughter, Donna had been looking forward to the savings that the Affordable Care Act had to offer.

But that's not what she found. Instead, she'd be paying an additional $300 a month for coverage. The letter made no mention of the health insurance marketplace that would soon open in Washington, where she could shop for competitive plans, and only an oblique reference to financial help that she might qualify for, if she made the effort to call and find out.

Otherwise, she'd be automatically rolled over to a new plan -- and, as the letter said, "If you're happy with this plan, do nothing."

If Donna had done nothing, she would have ended up spending about $1,000 more a month for insurance than she will now that she went to the marketplace, picked the best plan for her family and accessed tax credits at the heart of the health care reform law.

"The info that we were sent by LifeWise was totally bogus. Why the heck did they try to screw us?" Donna said. "People who are afraid of the ACA should be much more afraid of the insurance companies who will exploit their fear and end up overcharging them."

Donna is not alone.

Across the country, insurance companies have sent misleading letters to consumers, trying to lock them into the companies' own, sometimes more expensive health insurance plans rather than let them shop for insurance and tax credits on the Obamacare marketplaces -- which could lead to people like Donna spending thousands more for insurance than the law intended. In some cases, mentions of the marketplace in those letters are relegated to a mere footnote, which can be easily overlooked.

The extreme lengths to which some insurance companies are going to hold on to existing customers at higher price, as the Affordable Care Act fundamentally re-orders the individual insurance market, has caught the attention of state insurance regulators.

The insurance companies argue that it's simply capitalism at work. But regulators don't see it that way. By warning customers that their health insurance plans are being canceled as a result of Obamacare and urging them to secure new insurance plans before the Obamacare launched on Oct. 1, these insurers put their customers at risk of enrolling in plans that were not as good or as affordable as what they could buy on the marketplaces.
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/insurance-companies-misleading-letters-obamacare
Much more at link. So much of this "rate shock" is an attempt from private insurers to fleece their customers and hang the blame on "Obamacare." Surprise, surprise. Simply capitalism at work.
 

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So much of this "rate shock" is an attempt from private insurers to fleece their customers and hang the blame on "Obamacare."

It is called taking advantage of the situation and trying to survive in a new reality.

Doctors are using Obamacare as an excuse to take less Medicare/Medicaid patients or move to a concierge model. Hospitals are using Obamacare as an excuse to roll out unpopular policies they have considered in the past. Employers are using Obamacare as an excuse to drop people from their policy.

When you roll out a change this massive, and you own it like Obama has owned it, then you also own all the unintended consequences when people react to your change in their own best interest, maybe even in ways you didn't intend.

No American is going to blame the insurance companies, the doctors, the hospitals and the employers when the end result is people have less access to care or longer wait times for care. Obama and the Democratic party will get all the blame.
 

boomerang

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/insurance-companies-misleading-letters-obamacare
Much more at link. So much of this "rate shock" is an attempt from private insurers to fleece their customers and hang the blame on "Obamacare." Surprise, surprise. Simply capitalism at work.
So Donna was looking forward to the savings in Obamacare but as soon as she got the letter from her insurer she forgot all about that. She was smart before the letter and dumb after she got it.

Riiight.
 

Texashiker

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When customers are forced to buy a product, this eliminates the need for competition.

Why lower prices when you can raise prices and customers are forced by law to buy the product.
 

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So the complaint is that the insurance company didn't find a cheaper competitor and that's hiding?
 

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When customers are forced to buy a product, this eliminates the need for competition.

Why lower prices when you can raise prices and customers are forced by law to buy the product.
Once again proving you have no idea what you are talking about, but post anyway.
 

Texashiker

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Once again proving you have no idea what you are talking about, but post anyway.

Are states going to establish a government agency to control health insurance rates, like what they do for car insurance, home insurance, electric rates, gas rates,,,,, etc?
 

dank69

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Are states going to establish a government agency to control health insurance rates, like what they do for car insurance, home insurance, electric rates, gas rates,,,,, etc?
What does any of that have to do with your assertion that the ACA reduces competition when it actually increases competition?
 

Texashiker

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What does any of that have to do with your assertion that the ACA reduces competition when it actually increases competition?

Competition comes from the consumer having a choice whether to buy a product, or not to buy it.

We have no choice, we have to buy the product regardless of the price.

With buying a new car, I have a choice to keep my old truck and keep driving it.

With buying electricity, I have no choice, but the prices are controlled by the state.

With buying food I have a choice to grow my own, or go to a different store, and the prices of food are subsidized by the government.
 

dank69

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Competition comes from the consumer having a choice whether to buy a product, or not to buy it.

We have no choice, we have to buy the product regardless of the price.

With buying a new car, I have a choice to keep my old truck and keep driving it.

With buying electricity, I have no choice, but the prices are controlled by the state.
How's that working out for the cable/internet industry? Oh that's right, you have no fucking clue what you are ranting about. Competition comes from two or more companies competing for your business.
 

Texashiker

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How's that working out for the cable/internet industry? Oh that's right, you have no fucking clue what you are ranting about.

I do not have to buy cable or internet.

I do not even have have a phone if I do not want one.

Competition comes from two or more companies competing for your business.

But only when you have a choice in whether or not to buy the product.
 

Texashiker

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Yet they still essentially have monopolies, don't they?

You can have a monopoly in gift wrapping dog crap, but that does not mean I have to buy your product.

To get people to buy your gift wrapped dog crap you are going to keep prices low.

Government comes in, tells everyone they have to buy gift wrapped dog crap or pay a penalty.

Guess what, now you get to raise your prices because people no longer have a choice.
 

Hayabusa Rider

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Why would you ask that? Because I don't give corporations a pass when they fuck the consumer in the persuit of the almighty dollar? Or when they fuck their employees for the same reason?

So if you offer something and the rates go up you call around to see who has it cheaper.
 

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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/insurance-companies-misleading-letters-obamacare
Much more at link. So much of this "rate shock" is an attempt from private insurers to fleece their customers and hang the blame on "Obamacare." Surprise, surprise. Simply capitalism at work.

The non-subsided cost of a silver plan in Washington state for the article's family is $1248/month.
http://www.wahbexchange.org/index.php?cID=472

Cheap insurance isn't found here. The question is who pays for coverage, the individual being covered or the government/taxpayer, and the insurance company doesn't care who pays as long as someone pays.
 

dank69

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You can have a monopoly in gift wrapping dog crap, but that does not mean I have to buy your product.

To get people to buy your gift wrapped dog crap you are going to keep prices low.

Government comes in, tells everyone they have to buy gift wrapped dog crap or pay a penalty.

Guess what, now you get to raise your prices because people no longer have a choice.
Wrong again. If 10 different companies can sell you dog shit, they have to compete with each other on price. You would only have a point if there was only one health insurance company. There isn't one health insurance company, so therefore, you are a retard.
 

dank69

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So if you offer something and the rates go up you call around to see who has it cheaper.
Great, that's good. What isn't good is companies trying to pull shit like this:
So here's the bottom line: If Donna had taken the default option that LifeWise offered outside of the marketplace, she would have paid nearly $1,000 more per month for a worse plan than she was able to obtain on the marketplace.
They are trying to exploit ignorance. Instead of offering their customers a fair price for their product they are trying to fleece them. $1000 a month more for a worse product? That is fucking criminal.
 

boomerang

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I got a mailer from General Motors telling me about incentives they had across many of their car models. They didn't tell me that Ford, Honda, Kia, Mercedes and all the other car manufacturers out there sell cars too. Bastards! How was I supposed to know?
 

Texashiker

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so therefore, you are a retard.

Insults are the last resort of a weak mind.

If 10 different companies can sell you dog shit, they have to compete with each other on price.

Ten companies selling a product you are forced under law to buy.

Why do you think states regulate stuff like electric rates? To stop companies from charging whatever they want.

Back in the early 2000s I was slammed by a phone carrier. They changed my provider, then charged me something like $2 a minute for long distance. When I called they said they could charge whatever they wanted.

Get ready for the same thing to happen to your insurance bill.
 

waggy

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i got a mailer from general motors telling me about incentives they had across many of their car models. They didn't tell me that ford, honda, kia, mercedes and all the other car manufacturers out there sell cars too. Bastards! How was i supposed to know?

fucking government motors!