How Germany keeps manufacturing at home and small/medium businesses well-funded

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You know Cow's going wild when he gets his alt account / split personality out. Amazing how they say the exact same things isn't it?

Well, if you're referring to me as an 'alt account', then I don't know what to say...yeah, I've been posting here for nearly 10 years just for the purposes of being an 'alt account'? Seriously? Well, nobody ever says that white supremacists are especially intelligent.

Good one, Dictionary.
 

beginner99

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Did not read the whole thread and maybe this was posted before but them main reason for the success of Germany and the downfall of Ireland and Greece is the Euro €.

In Ireland basically anyone could get loans at very good conditions after € was introduced. I don't know exact details and the thinking behind it but it is just common sense that in the long run it won't work.
One of the issues is that when the € was introduced, certain assumption were made (growth of economy) and countries had to obey certain rules, mainly how much debt they were allowed to make so that the system works. Those rules were good! However the rules were soon ignored, first by Germany and other big countries like France were fine with this too. And everybody followed their example.

Now the thing is that if Greece competes with Germany with the same currency, they loose because they are not a low-price production land anymore. So while stuff from Greece became more expensive for Germans stuff from Germany became cheaper for a Greek.
Same is true to a lesser extend if you compare Germany to like Spain.
Greece can only save itself by going back to there old currency. And experts claim that will happen once the situation is more stable again.

Or to be simple while regulations within Germany and their Government might have had a certain impact on the success, it's not by any means the major reason.
 

beginner99

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Since when is Germany an economic superpower? It's doing fine, but I don't think many people outside of those Americans who are incapable of integrating into American society would consider Germany a superpower of any sort. And how does that make up for all of Europe?

Europe is in the decline. It's been that way for quite some time. It's no longer an economic superpower. Their population is rapidly decreasing and their rabid racism is going to end the viability of their countries. It's really too late now, especially since their former colonies are on the up and Europe is clearly on the down.

It's time to look to the future and it doesn't include Europe.

Yeah sure. Have you ever left the country you live in? have you ever been to Germany?

In my perspective in certain aspects US is not a so called "industrialized nation" but more an "emerging nation" like birth rate, well those Mexicans...;). To be able to enter the European union you need to be able to qualify mostly on financial/debt stuff. US would have absolutely 0 chance to achieve this. But some eastern European countries like Poland did. Just to put it into perspective.

And about racism, were I live over 20% are "foreigners" and probably another 10-20% were naturalized. In the next generation people that don't have "foreign blood" will probably be in the minority. But I do see that US kind of has a similar problem.
 
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Yeah sure. Have you ever left the country you live in? have you ever been to Germany?

In my perspective in certain aspects US is not a so called "industrialized nation" but more an "emerging nation" like birth rate, well those Mexicans...;). To be able to enter the European union you need to be able to qualify mostly on financial/debt stuff. US would have absolutely 0 chance to achieve this. But some eastern European countries like Poland did. Just to put it into perspective.

And about racism, were I live over 20% are "foreigners" and probably another 10-20% were naturalized. In the next generation people that don't have "foreign blood" will probably be in the minority. But I do see that US kind of has a similar problem.

I have left the country that I live in. Why does it matter? Have you been to every single country that you've ever commented upon?

In my perspective, most European nations are pretty much third world type countries, especially when it comes to racial issues. I mean, come on, it's not even that long ago that Germany regulated citizenship based on blood, and many European countries do it in other ways now with bloodline citizenship.

I doubt that Europe will allow 'the next generation people' to be majority of 'foreign blood' - Europe has a tendency to enact genocide and I am sure that they will do something similar to their minorities before they become the majority.
 

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Yeah sure. Have you ever left the country you live in? have you ever been to Germany?

Just FYI you're being trolled. (These two guys are bizarro-trolls who's topic of choice is eurobashing. Debate them long enough and they will call you a racist and/or parrot back your posts.)
 
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epidemis

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Just finished reading the article, it's funny, Germany is such a rebuke of conservative/libertarian economics, it's not even funny. It blows me away that such a tiny country is able to accomplish with good regulations.

Tskk. Before the crisis Germany was among the slowest growing. The fact they haven't had a superheated economy is one of the reasons why they are doing great now. Germany is also one of the more conservative countries of Europe, so your point is fail.
 

Jhhnn

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Tskk. Before the crisis Germany was among the slowest growing. The fact they haven't had a superheated economy is one of the reasons why they are doing great now. Germany is also one of the more conservative countries of Europe, so your point is fail.

Obviously he meant "conservative" in terms of the Modern US Republican so-called "conservatives" and their free market self regulated banking global economy cut taxes and borrow more money ownership society way of doing things. They're not really conservative at all, except in the sense that radical reactionaries attempting to recreate the economic climate of the 1890's are "conservative".
 

hal2kilo

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Obviously he meant "conservative" in terms of the Modern US Republican so-called "conservatives" and their free market self regulated banking global economy cut taxes and borrow more money ownership society way of doing things. They're not really conservative at all, except in the sense that radical reactionaries attempting to recreate the economic climate of the 1890's are "conservative".

Yes, the Gilded Age worked out so well for the average American.
 

Zebo

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seems socialists german and socialist china are both doing a lot better than we are ... huray socialism?

Neither one has much in the way of personal liberty in things I'm interested in.

China obvious, where they can kill and torture you for speaking your mind not to mention labor can't organize.

Germany - well I like to hunt and fish it's pretty much all I do for hobby. My German friend says you have to call the state to have a ranger shoot a deer , her shoots them. He lives in Austria now because it's more sportsman friendly. Basically really restrictive with little to none of my hobby. Opening business and running them is more restrictive in Germany.

Germany has good things but I would not want to be German.

I have a better idea, take what works from them and cast away what doesn't.
 

Zebo

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We spend 25% of GDP each year in government spending. Thats way too much.
Lower that down to 20% of GDP and that 5% get put back in the private sector.
The private sector is always more productive than the public.

The budget deficit causes a lot of capital to flow into the government, that capital could be better used somewhere in the private sector.
It also allows for lowering taxes which increases growth of the private sector.

Example, cutting military budget by 5% and using that to give tax breaks to all people gives them more money. That money used to buy inefficient/overpriced tanks but is now used in the more efficient private sector by the people to create jobs.

It's actually 50% but who's counting. .gov sure aint.
http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/
 

Zebo

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I guess this is a bad time to mention that the ruling party of Germany is the Christian Democratic Union (CDU), which is basically their equivalent of America's Republican Party (even belongs to the same international group as The Republican Party) and that their Socialist party is in decline?

Our Republicans used to be decent practical human beings. Look at Eisenhower's tax rate on Billionaires who paid off war debt, and built an infrastructure the world had never seen before which made trillions in Auto sales, agricultural etc. Maybe this international consortium of Republicans is more like IKE and less like tea party.
 

amyklai

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Neither one has much in the way of personal liberty in things I'm interested in.

China obvious, where they can kill and torture you for speaking your mind not to mention labor can't organize.

Germany - well I like to hunt and fish it's pretty much all I do for hobby. My German friend says you have to call the state to have a ranger shoot a deer , her shoots them. He lives in Austria now because it's more sportsman friendly. Basically really restrictive with little to none of my hobby. Opening business and running them is more restrictive in Germany.

Germany has good things but I would not want to be German.

I have a better idea, take what works from them and cast away what doesn't.

Eh?

1) You can absolutely go hunting in Germany. You first have to get a hunting permit (Jagdschein) which requires passing a test and then you either have to rent your own hunting area or get yourself invited for hunting, so there's effort involved, but it's absolutelly doable. What you can't do is just buy a permit and go hunting, so if you only want to go hunting one time in your life or once every five years or so the entry barrier might be too high.
And if you just want to eat a deer of course you can call a hunter and ask him to shoot one for you which is probably the situation your friend described.

2) Opening a business is easy as well. You just go get your Gewerbeschein from the local office and you're ready to go. Of course there are areas that are regulated (like you can't be a doctor without having studied medicine and passed your exams, you can't be a lawyer without having passed your law exams etc etc.) but that is true for most places.