How does evolution explain homosexuality?

RoloMather

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The majority of homosexuals don't have offspring due to mate preferences. Therefore they should be negatively selected out during the whole process of evolution.

So why does homosexuality exist?
 

TehMac

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Could be a number of things...maybe they just liked fish sticks when younger and the infatuation developed...
 

txrandom

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Originally posted by: loki8481
some homosexuals have children

also, recessive traits etc?

They may have children, but they can't produce children naturally.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: txrandom
Originally posted by: loki8481
some homosexuals have children

also, recessive traits etc?

They may have children, but they can't produce children naturally.

sure they can.

step 1: find a chick
step 2: put it in
repeat till offspring
 

KingGheedora

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Since homosexuality is bad, homosexuals over time have evolved the tendency to not procreate. This is natures way of selecting them out of existence.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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It's not genetic, so it cant be bred out.

Something to do with hormones during pregnancy.

That's why you can have identical twins, one gay and one normal.

In before some moron mentions religion.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
It's not genetic, so it cant be bred out.

Something to do with hormones during pregnancy.

That's why you can have identical twins, one gay and one normal.

In before some moron mentions religion.

I don't think it's as simple as an on/off switch either.

there are all kinds of varying degrees of bisexuality.

I've had sex with women. I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoy having sex with the other gender, but it wasn't unenjoyable.
 

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Lifer
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How does evolution explain why one person is shy and the other is outgoing? It's a stupid question that has nothing to do with evolution.
 

oogabooga

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Originally posted by: Quintox
How does evolution explain why one person is shy and the other is outgoing? It's a stupid question that has nothing to do with evolution.

A shy person could still theoretically produce offspring still even without first choice in mates or whatever. Whereas a gay person who hasn't had sex with the opposite sex specifically for the purpose of producing offspring can't.

I don't know if it's a stupid question or not and don't understand how homosexuality/evolution relate, but i don't think it's the same as being shy.
 

mcmilljb

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Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
It's not genetic, so it cant be bred out.

Something to do with hormones during pregnancy.

That's why you can have identical twins, one gay and one normal.

In before some moron mentions religion.

I knew a pair of twins like that. :Q
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: oogabooga
Originally posted by: Quintox
How does evolution explain why one person is shy and the other is outgoing? It's a stupid question that has nothing to do with evolution.

A shy person could still theoretically produce offspring still even without first choice in mates or whatever. Whereas a gay person who hasn't had sex with the opposite sex specifically for the purpose of producing offspring can't.

I don't know if it's a stupid question or not and don't understand how homosexuality/evolution relate, but i don't think it's the same as being shy.

Oh ok I see what you mean.

Anyway I guess I'm saying I don't believe a person is born gay, but they somehow develop into a homosexual. Either way it doesn't matter to me, I have absolutely nothing against gay people. Heck Gay Tony is one of my favorite characters in GTAIV :D
 
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Without them we wouldn't have fashion or interior design taste and subsequently evolution would never have produced metrosexuals.
 

RocksteadyDotNet

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Originally posted by: loki8481
Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
It's not genetic, so it cant be bred out.

Something to do with hormones during pregnancy.

That's why you can have identical twins, one gay and one normal.

In before some moron mentions religion.

I don't think it's as simple as an on/off switch either.

there are all kinds of varying degrees of bisexuality.

I've had sex with women. I didn't enjoy it as much as I enjoy having sex with the other gender, but it wasn't unenjoyable.

Totally.

That's why you have the whole spectrem from straight -> bi -> gay -> superqueer -> Miss J
 
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Originally posted by: RoloMather
The majority of homosexuals don't have offspring due to mate preferences. Therefore they should be negatively selected out during the whole process of evolution.

So why does homosexuality exist?

Well, when the woman becomes pregnant she starts to produce a progestin called nandrolone (also know as the steroid Deca Durabol) which is an androgen, this happens every single time, except for some times.

That is the closest correlation that has been found to date but it's far from conclusive, my best guess is that since it occurs in all of the more intelligent species it is indeed an evolutionary trait that may have some benefit in the mother or the father of a gay child.

Look at the spartans, ALL of them only used their women for procreation but used young boys for sex and training.

Were the lot of them gay? According to todays popular definition it has to do with sex but in reality it has more to do with attraction, from what i know.

That could mean any number of things but i really don't give a shit, i find evolution as a whole much more fascinating than trying to figure out every little detail, it's like having a bunch of kids running around you asking you questions all day long.
 

coldmeat

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Originally posted by: mcmilljb
Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
It's not genetic, so it cant be bred out.

Something to do with hormones during pregnancy.

That's why you can have identical twins, one gay and one normal.

In before some moron mentions religion.

I knew a pair of twins like that. :Q

One is lying.
 
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Originally posted by: RocksteadyDotNet
It's not genetic, so it cant be bred out.

Something to do with hormones during pregnancy.

That's why you can have identical twins, one gay and one normal.

In before some moron mentions religion.

I know that everyone thinks identical twins have identical genome but they don't.

You and me have about 200 mutations to our genome today and identical twins are like that too, if they were exactly the same genetic composition througout life in an protected environment you'd be correct but since Arnold did Twins, that hasn't happened.

The best bet to take of today is "i do not know that and it doesn't matter".

 

Locut0s

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Natural selection only removes those traits that are detrimental to the survival of the species as a whole. All other traits are part of the natural genetic pool and are actually beneficial to the process of evolution or at worst are neutral.
 

ManyBeers

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Originally posted by: RoloMather
The majority of homosexuals don't have offspring due to mate preferences. Therefore they should be negatively selected out during the whole process of evolution.

So why does homosexuality exist?

It's just a popular fad right now, like CB radios were a few years back. It will eventually die out like all fads do and it won't be 'cool' to be gay anymore.
 

SirStev0

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There are traits that are potentially linked to homosexuality. I have heard it suggested that Religions forcing people to conform to hetero lifestyles may actually be what keeps the "gay" genes in the gene pool.