How does a US Navy ship get hit by another ship?

[brycejones]

How many more collisions would it take to eliminate our naval presence in the far east?
Looks rather effective.

Not really it's an easy tactic to defeat with a 35 knot destroyer vs a 18-20 knot at best freighter.

 

[Jaskalas]

And yet it happened. Which means there is an opening for it to occur again.
Do our leaders have the balls to let the Navy go weapons hot on anything poised to ram them?

 

[UberNeuman]

They really needed the pre-fix code.

\I'm hoping they find the missing crew alive, damn sad it is.....

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Angry Twitter fingers will be outraged at how small our ships are.

We need bigger ships so the other countries won't take advantage of our tiny weak ships. The world is laughing at how tiny they are it's a joke people. Jarod is going to be in charge of getting us new ships that are so big you won't believe how big they will be. Bigger than the bucket of fried chicken I fantasize Ivanka being in covered with fried chicken.

Got to get those coal powered aircraft carriers going now (or revamped from WWI and II)
(also need to find some unused cruise ships to convert)

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Trump is probably wanting to tweet something like "bad hombres piloting navy ship causes accident, need 1 quadrillion dollars to buy better ships. I'll put Jared on it first thing Monday morning as we can't be bothered with it right now. #teetimebitches

ftfy...

 

[Puffnstuff]

ftfy...

Hey I like the adjustment.

 

[IronWing]

Not really it's an easy tactic to defeat with a 35 knot destroyer vs a 18-20 knot at best freighter.

23 knots for the ACX Crystal, I don't know if that speed is fully loaded or empty.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Maybe while the DD is in port they can tie some old tires to the sides to ease the pain of future impacts.

 

[brycejones]

And yet it happened. Which means there is an opening for it to occur again.
Do our leaders have the balls to let the Navy go weapons hot on anything poised to ram them?

Navy ships have collided with civilian ships since the beginning. It really isn't viable as a wide spread military tactic. If there was a pattern every ship would just declare an exclusion zone and any ship entering it would be fired on. I would be shocked if navy captains didn't already have standing authorization to use force to protect their commands.

 

[xthetenth]

And yet it happened. Which means there is an opening for it to occur again.
Do our leaders have the balls to let the Navy go weapons hot on anything poised to ram them?

Nahh, captains are just going to be a bit more careful because they're fond of their career trajectory.

 

[alcoholbob]

I wonder how much damage WW2-era steel cruiser would would take from an impact like that versus modern aluminum destroyers. For some reason I'm thinking of the Chevy Steel vs Ford Aluminum bed commercial, lol.

 

[Zorba]

It looks more like a side swipe vs a T-bone. I have a feeling the results would've been much worse in a true T-bone with the size difference of the ships.

 

[DisarmedDespot]

Navy ships have collided with civilian ships since the beginning. It really isn't viable as a wide spread military tactic. If there was a pattern every ship would just declare an exclusion zone and any ship entering it would be fired on. I would be shocked if navy captains didn't already have standing authorization to use force to protect their commands.

Adding onto this, during the cold war the Soviets would routinely try to force US Navy vessels away by pulling alongside them and sideswiping them. As far as I'm aware, it didn't work (mostly because the US vessels tended to be a bit bigger). There's so much damage now because of where it hit and how much larger the container ship was.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Bloomberg has a clear picture of the damage today in their latest article on this incident. They also reaffirm that 7 crewmembers are missing. I am, however, still puzzled over how damage in this area disabled propulsion which is just aft of mid-ship and centered on the keel. The exterior of the ship here on both the port and starboard side lines a passageway from the front deck to the middeck with a hatch to the interior. We can see how this space crumpled up in the collision as it doesn't have the same strength of other areas with more support.

I had a contractor crew on a refit of one of these that came in after its initial shakedown cruise and it had to have major repairs and improvements done to it. The bow hull plating on that one slapped the frame each time a wave struck it. There were so many welding teams on it trying to strengthen it up that I started paying attention to weld quality as I moved through each frame. If you could've seen how much work was required on that new ship you'd want something done so I can understand how this one collapsed under the strain of the collision.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...r-7-navy-crew-after-ship-damaged-in-collision

 

[Londo_Jowo]

The impact could have damaged main shaft bearings resulting in the loss of propulsion. The ship has two main shafts and offset from the keel.

 

[K1052]

I wonder how much damage WW2-era steel cruiser would would take from an impact like that versus modern aluminum destroyers. For some reason I'm thinking of the Chevy Steel vs Ford Aluminum bed commercial, lol.

The cruiser USS Chicago had a run in with a Brit freighter in the 30s. That'll buff right out.

 

[Humpy]

Its dark out at night, on the ocean.

That's total bullshit!

 

[kage69]

The phrase "worse things happen at sea" is a thing for a reason. Even with advanced technology human error will continue to screw up the works, particularly in a setting involving large vessels that don't exactly turn on a dime, and may be complicated by bad weather/poor vis.

Someday most big Navy ships will have a compliment of autonomous drones that maintain a perimeter and keep a watch out at all times.That day needs to hurry up.

I'm just glad no munitions were set off, then we'd be looking for 70 sailors instead of 7. Anyone remember what happened in Nova Scotia when a Norwegian ship collided with a French ship bringing explosives to the Western Front?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-great-halifax-explosion

 

[fskimospy]

Finally, something I can actually answer.


Its dark out at night, on the ocean.
And the running lights can surprisingly not be enough to see another ship. Sounds crazy but its true.

Also, the lookouts on both ships were probably napping or fucking off. I stood lookout. Its boring.
But if I got caught fucking off, I'd get the shit beat out of me.

So obviously, the Navy needs to bring back ass whoopins.

Also, was the weather bad?

The lookouts shouldn't have mattered. The aft lookout is mainly to look for people going overboard.

A container ship should have lit up their surface search or navigation radar like a Christmas tree. Maybe the container ship hit them but it's hard to see why they wouldn't just move out of the way.

 

[xthetenth]

I wonder how much damage WW2-era steel cruiser would would take from an impact like that versus modern aluminum destroyers. For some reason I'm thinking of the Chevy Steel vs Ford Aluminum bed commercial, lol.

Burkes like the USS Fitzgerald are all steel construction.

The hull has always been steel and after the Belknap's collision with the JFK, in the US at least the superstructure isn't aluminum either. Well, that and the cracking in the aluminum superstructures on Perrys.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

I wonder if the USS Fitzgerald was already experiencing main propulsion issues and couldn't manuever out of the way. Faulty water stripper in fuel oil system? Fuel oil tanks are sea water compensated to mantain the proper ballast.

 

[bigboxes]

You all suck. How TF did this end up in Politics? This should have been OT.

Someone should be demoted over this. I served in the Navy and took my watches seriously. Makes me sad that 7 sailors are missing. I hope they are found safe.

 

[Puffnstuff]

I wonder if the USS Fitzgerald was already experiencing main propulsion issues and couldn't manuever out of the way. Faulty water stripper in fuel oil system? Fuel oil tanks are sea water compensated to mantain the proper ballast.

If that were true they should've been lit up like a Christmas tree along with a verifiable SOS broadcast notifying the authorities of their condition. Those two Rolls-Royce gas turbines sit amidship away from the impact area so they were relatively protected from this accident.

 

[Perknose]

I'm just glad no munitions were set off, then we'd be looking for 70 sailors instead of 7. Anyone remember what happened in Nova Scotia when a Norwegian ship collided with a French ship bringing explosives to the Western Front?

http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/the-great-halifax-explosion

Your link page had this link, which talked about "women and children first." From that article, bolding mine:

“Women and children first” gained further prominence in the wake of the Titanic sinking, which killed 1,500 passengers and crew. Women fared markedly better in the frigid waters of the North Atlantic on April 15, 1912, enjoying a 75 percent survival rate compared to just 17 percent for men. More than 50 percent of children aboard the famous ship outlasted the disaster. Around the world, tales of sacrifices made by gallant men, particularly distinguished first-class travelers with familiar surnames, made headlines.​

Folks, I wouldn't be here now if that hadn't been the case on the Titanic. My grandmother was a governess to the social register Philadelphia family, the Ryersons.

This below is the (somewhat clumsy) translation of that article:

His destiny was exceptional ... How did Victorine Chaudanson, born in 1875 in the small village of Mayres, on the plateau ardéchois, found itself on the Titanic April 14, 1912? For Pierre Chaudanson, passionate about genealogy that is related to him by a branch "remote" (of St-Laurent-les-Bains) is the mystery. The Ardéchoise, whose brother lived at the Teil and lodged her on the death of their parents, was a governess for a wealthy American family.

"The Ryersons owned a sawmill. They came to France every two or three years. Victorine had already made the journey in 1907 and 1909. On the Titanic, she was therefore one of the only French women in first class, where she was even entitled to a private cabin with bath ... "says Pierre Chaudanson.

She goes down into the cabin

When the Titanic touches the iceberg, she joins the bridge with the Ryerson family. But since they have forgotten their jewelry, she goes back down to the cabin ... [On the orders of Mrs. Ryerson] And like James Cameron's film, there it is locked ... "The stewards closed the doors behind them. The water began to enter through the portholes. We do not know how she gets away, but we find her some time later on the bridge. [My grandmother banged on the locked door until the steward came back and let her out.} "She was one of the last to embark on a canoe [lifeboat #4]. He [the lifeboat] was stuck for a moment against the rail before being released. His [her] boss, Mr. Ryerson, gives him his lifejacket ... he will perish in the shipwreck. Following the Titanic, June 3, 1912, Victorine Chaudanson married Henri Perkins. There was a rumor that they had met on the lifeboat. In fact, it's the Ryerson driver. They had a son, George, and a grandson, David, who still lives. Victorine died in August 1962, Pennsylvania, at the age of 86 years. Traumatized by the shipwreck, she will never return to France.​

^^^ Old school. Mr. Ryerson, a true gentleman, gave my grandmother his life jacket and made sure she got in one of the very last lifeboats to escape the sinking Titanic. He went down with the ship, a man of integrity to the end. And I am alive today because of his selfless act.

 

[Smoblikat]

ah yes! Obama returns in force with his shadow government. Even a sophisticated modern Navy ship couldn't see them!

Thats because theyre shapeshifting lizards from planet X dude. They probobly approached the ship as a school of goldfish then BLAMO, cargo ship.