How do you view President Bush?

[moks78]

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Here

...I agree.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Pers

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

haha...it's no longer a wonder why you think bush is smart.

Who are you? Nevermind, please go back to P&N with the other selfproffesed know it alls.

 

[Eli]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

Hmm.. I don't really understand though.

Assuming thats true, how does Bush play into that?

I don't think Europe is going to turn muslim though. When I think of Europe, I think of the UK.. heh.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

Hmm.. I don't really understand though.

Assuming thats true, how does Bush play into that?

I don't think Europe is going to turn muslim though. When I think of Europe, I think of the UK.. heh.

OK well even though it will take longer go ahead and think about the UK. What is the birth rate in the UK? Is it enough to sustain the "WASP" population? Where do they get the replacement population? Immigration? Where are most of these immigrants coming from? What is the fastest growing religion in the world that already has a firm base in the UK? How long given current growth rates do they become the majority? Does it even take the majority to influence policy?

I'm not saying we need to crush Islam but we do need to make our best efforts to moderate it. Similar to the way Christianity plays it's role here.

 

[bjc112]

While his speaking skills are not the best, i still consider him all around to be a fairly smart guy.

Meh..

 

[thegimp03]

While his speaking skills are not the best, i still consider him all around to be a fairly smart guy.

Yeah, I think people are sometimes too quick to criticize Bush. I think he's done a decent job over the past 4 years running the country considering the circumstances of 9/11.

 

[johnjbruin]

average to above average.

OTOH - I hate kerry for some reason - so i'll be voting for bush.

 

[chibchakan]

Originally posted by: Yossarian
below average, and an embarrassment to this country.

 

[Zee]

i dunno about his intelligent level, but he's an embarrassment to this country though

 

[Rob9874]

Originally posted by: thegimp03

While his speaking skills are not the best, i still consider him all around to be a fairly smart guy.

Yeah, I think people are sometimes too quick to criticize Bush. I think he's done a decent job over the past 4 years running the country considering the circumstances of 9/11.

I agree. I don't judge someone on their speaking ability (which I admit his need improving). I can see how easy it would be for someone with no ability to judge character or intelligence to base their opinion of someone on how intelligent they appear on the surface. I judge someone on how well they perform under pressure. Some people rise to the occasion, and some run and hide. I think Bush has done very well, considering the circumstances. I think 9/11 was a forced priority during his presidency, and I think he could have been much more effective had he not had to focus on terrorism. I'm anxious to see what he can do the next 4 years. I will be voting for Bush.

 

[Wahsapa]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

Hmm.. I don't really understand though.

Assuming thats true, how does Bush play into that?

I don't think Europe is going to turn muslim though. When I think of Europe, I think of the UK.. heh.

OK well even though it will take longer go ahead and think about the UK. What is the birth rate in the UK? Is it enough to sustain the "WASP" population? Where do they get the replacement population? Immigration? Where are most of these immigrants coming from? What is the fastest growing religion in the world that already has a firm base in the UK? How long given current growth rates do they become the majority? Does it even take the majority to influence policy?

I'm not saying we need to crush Islam but we do need to make our best efforts to moderate it. Similar to the way Christianity plays it's role here.

we arnt going back into a dark ages. or atleast, thats what it seems you are alluding too. obviously religion should be left out of politics, but it isnt, atleast not yet. what you see is from your perspective, the little tiny part of earth you occupy, there are a lot of other people in this with you, but they do not think like you.

if bush has a master plan why are others devising it?

the muslim radicals ARE bad, period, the regular muslims ARE GOOD, period.

why would you hate to see a europe with a majority of muslims? why hate? why? we all know hate is wrong.

what makes you think they would be against the west? isnt europe the first 'western' society?

what about chinese and buddhism? india and hinduism? what do you think about 'them'. islam and muslims are about being peaceful, like every other religion. again, you say muslim 'based' societies, europes society isnt 'based' on islam, if followers move into the country, that doesnt radically change the country. i think they are moving out of the middle east for this reason.

this big picture of yours seems only to be involved with europe, the middle east and islam and how threating your way of life MIGHT become, that is, if you were to move out of america.

what IS the birthrate of the UK? its a pretty small place, but more immagrants move there then are natural born?

we have no RIGHT to moderate islam. none what so ever. that logic is flawed at its most fundamental assumptions.

edit: also, why isnt this in p&n(&r)

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: saxguy
i'm sure he's not as stupid as he looks, so i'll say average.

Oh, I think he is...

You are readiing too much into it. Although I'll admit he is not the best speaker I understand what he is saying.

Ok so what is he saying? He did not answer the question about tribal sovereignty at all. He gave a bs answer that clearly shows he has no idea what sovereignty means or how to answer the question.

That obviously not only shows him being a poor speaker, but it also shows him being an idiot.

 

[Insane3D]

Love him or hate him, he's easily the most polarizing President we've had in years...IMO.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

:laugh:

What is so funny?

Honestly thought you were joking

 

[CFster]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: saxguy
i'm sure he's not as stupid as he looks, so i'll say average.

Oh, I think he is...

You are readiing too much into it. Although I'll admit he is not the best speaker I understand what he is saying.

Oh come on, he was BS'ing his way out of the answer because he CLEARLY had no idea what the word meant. That's pitiful in my opinion. The leader of the free world should be a fvcking genius - this guy is on the shallow end of the gene pool.

He's lazy, takes too much vacation, is sacrificing our sons and daughters for a lie and is ruining the economy.

I can't believe our well being is in the hands of this moron.

 

[NikPreviousAcct]

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: saxguy

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: saxguy
i'm sure he's not as stupid as he looks, so i'll say average.

Oh, I think he is...

i still think he's not stupid. ignorant and lazy, yes. but not stupid.

however, i don't think that a lazy and ignorant president with average intelligence should be re-elected (or even elected in the first place, for that matter).

Uhhh, he WASN'T?

The electoral college is full of shiot and a complete waste. Take a look at the Bush vs. Gore voting results on a county-by-county across the entire country. Bush won by a freaking huge land slide. Besides... who honestly wanted that dumbass pansy in the white house anyway? He would have gone crying with his tail between his legs after 9/11! There's a reason we had a Texan in the white house, and it's a good one.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nik
The electoral college is full of shiot and a complete waste. Take a look at the Bush vs. Gore voting results on a county-by-county across the entire country. Bush won by a freaking huge land slide. Besides... who honestly wanted that dumbass pansy in the white house anyway? He would have gone crying with his tail between his legs after 9/11! There's a reason we had a Texan in the white house, and it's a good one.

It's a good thing they don't put Polling Places in Krispe Kremes because Chuckleheads like you might be tempted to vote!

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

the whole concept of religion is utter load of crap. it does NOTHING but divide people. you are the prime example of that. and your views are "I would like to see my philosophy prevail." The same can be said about the "other" side...and with these kinds of "I have to be at the top" outlook...mankind will never reach a state of equlibruim. People [you] should realize that there are different people out there and take it as that and learn to coexist. you cannot change others...you can only change yourself.

And as for Bush, I think he has made this world a more volatile place for our children and grandchildren. I bet that every single child in Iraq that was made an orphan by Bush's bombs harbors deep deep hatred for America now since we have taken away what he held dear to his heart. This might not have been the case prior to the invasion. Sure some Iraqis might see America in the positive light now...but those are the handful who saw the wrath os saddam in person. They all know that they are better off without saddam. But most hate america now cuz we have taken away what they held dear to their hearts...their family members, their friends, and their neighbors. You are really kidding yourself if you think Bush has made this world a safer place for your children.

coexistence is the key. not dominance

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Brutuskend

Originally posted by: saxguy

Originally posted by: CFster

Originally posted by: saxguy
i'm sure he's not as stupid as he looks, so i'll say average.

Oh, I think he is...

i still think he's not stupid. ignorant and lazy, yes. but not stupid.

however, i don't think that a lazy and ignorant president with average intelligence should be re-elected (or even elected in the first place, for that matter).

Uhhh, he WASN'T?

The electoral college is full of shiot and a complete waste. Take a look at the Bush vs. Gore voting results on a county-by-county across the entire country. Bush won by a freaking huge land slide. Besides... who honestly wanted that dumbass pansy in the white house anyway? He would have gone crying with his tail between his legs after 9/11! There's a reason we had a Texan in the white house, and it's a good one.

show me an [edit] unbiased and reputable [/edit] link where it shows Bush won the majority vote

 

[Scarpozzi]

<triumph>He is a very good president....errr..........................FOR ME TO POOP ON!!!!</triumph>

 

[Gibson486]

I think Bush did a good job on 9/11, but aside form that, I think he has done a sub-par job. As for his intelligence, I think that he is average, but his public speaking ability makes him come off as a complete idiot. Bush's decision for war, IMO, was not a good idea. However, we are so far into the war now that we simply cant just get out. I think he knows now that leaving the war now would be a danger to the US, so he has nothing other to do than to make other reasons to stay. As for the economy, I am not going to blame him, because the economy was going to decline one way or the other, but I really dont think he is doing enough to help it either.

My vote: Neither are spectacular, but I think Bush's interest does not soley lie (or is it lye) in that of our people. At the same time, I dont think Kerry is that great either. It's a vote for the lesser of two evils this time. I think it is Kerry for me.

 

[40Hands]

Not a horrible person but too much of a simple minded Texan to be running a powerful country like the US. Maybe we should make him the president of Iraq then he can finish up his "plan" for them and hes out of our hair for a long time. :thumbsup:

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Wahsapa

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

Hmm.. I don't really understand though.

Assuming thats true, how does Bush play into that?

I don't think Europe is going to turn muslim though. When I think of Europe, I think of the UK.. heh.

OK well even though it will take longer go ahead and think about the UK. What is the birth rate in the UK? Is it enough to sustain the "WASP" population? Where do they get the replacement population? Immigration? Where are most of these immigrants coming from? What is the fastest growing religion in the world that already has a firm base in the UK? How long given current growth rates do they become the majority? Does it even take the majority to influence policy?

I'm not saying we need to crush Islam but we do need to make our best efforts to moderate it. Similar to the way Christianity plays it's role here.

we arnt going back into a dark ages. or atleast, thats what it seems you are alluding too. obviously religion should be left out of politics, but it isnt, atleast not yet. what you see is from your perspective, the little tiny part of earth you occupy, there are a lot of other people in this with you, but they do not think like you.

if bush has a master plan why are others devising it?

the muslim radicals ARE bad, period, the regular muslims ARE GOOD, period.

why would you hate to see a europe with a majority of muslims? why hate? why? we all know hate is wrong.

what makes you think they would be against the west? isnt europe the first 'western' society?

what about chinese and buddhism? india and hinduism? what do you think about 'them'. islam and muslims are about being peaceful, like every other religion. again, you say muslim 'based' societies, europes society isnt 'based' on islam, if followers move into the country, that doesnt radically change the country. i think they are moving out of the middle east for this reason.

this big picture of yours seems only to be involved with europe, the middle east and islam and how threating your way of life MIGHT become, that is, if you were to move out of america.

what IS the birthrate of the UK? its a pretty small place, but more immagrants move there then are natural born?

we have no RIGHT to moderate islam. none what so ever. that logic is flawed at its most fundamental assumptions.

edit: also, why isnt this in p&amp;n(&amp;r)

I think you misunerstand what I mean by moderate. I guess I used the word wrong.

OK first your idea of a big hippie commune is a noble one but will never become a reality. Islam is not only a religion but a political movement. If you can't see how having more countries with heavy Islamic influence is bad I don't know what to tell you. I will say by moderate I mean disconnect the religous aspect from the politics. You have said yourself this is not happening.

Your right though what happens in Europe and the Middle East has no affect on me. :roll:

Actually the birth rate in the UK does not support the replacement of it's population.

I did not say that the UK was Islamic based but rather already has an established Islamic community that is becoming more and more active.

What makes me think they would be against the west? The fundamental beliefs of Islam.

 

[fredtam]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: fredtam

Originally posted by: Eli

Originally posted by: fredtam
I see him as above average. I see him as having a master plan that I think will be better for this country (even if it is devised by others). Unfortunately like someone's sig here says he just can't come out and say it because the average person is clueless and can't see 50 years down the road although the sig represents this in a negative light. Another unfortunate thing is this puts him in a position that you have to spin stuff and use cover stories which are sometimes easily picked apart making him look stupid or like a liar. When I think about the world I don't think of the one I live in but the one my daughter will see.

I can agree with this viewpoint, but would you please share what you believe Bush's master plan is?

What has he done or plan on doing to help the future? How do you even know such a thing?

While I understand that Bush's actions now will certainly effect things in 50 years, we will have gone through a dozen more presidents by then.. Will it really even matter?

Is Bush Jr. really going to go down in history as being good for us?

No really I can't tell you what the plan is. However I do see the beginnings of it and no 4 years or 8 may not be enough time. I can tell you what I see in trends although not in too much deatail because it would take forever. I'll show just one. In the next few decades Europe will be majority Muslim if trends continue. Now we here in America generally don't give a fvck because of our "freedom of religion" and walk around thinking that it is just radical Muslims who are bad. Well the fact is our religous beliefs do influence our opinions although the whole "seperation of church and state" idea has kept it for the most part out of our politics. The same can not be said for Muslim based societies. They are after all following the direct
word of God. I would hate to see a Europe that was majority muslim. For one thing it is much easier for people with common "enemies" to ally together. I wouldn't want a world that was truly "east against west".
I like my lifestyle and the attitude of the world tipped in my favor. Is it the right lifestyle? Are they (muslims) wrong? I don't care. I would like to see my philosophy prevail.

There are two things that the next world war is likely to be fought over. Religion or Race. Race doesn't seem likely so I'll watch the religous scene. Most ATOTers will say I am a biggot but they are the same ones saying that the religous right is ruining the country.

the whole concept of religion is utter load of crap. it does NOTHING but divide people. you are the prime example of that. and your views are "I would like to see my philosophy prevail." The same can be said about the "other" side...and with these kinds of "I have to be at the top" outlook...mankind will never reach a state of equlibruim. People [you] should realize that there are different people out there and take it as that and learn to coexist. you cannot change others...you can only change yourself.

And as for Bush, I think he has made this world a more volatile place for our children and grandchildren. I bet that every single child in Iraq that was made an orphan by Bush's bombs harbors deep deep hatred for America now since we have taken away what he held dear to his heart. This might not have been the case prior to the invasion. Sure some Iraqis might see America in the positive light now...but those are the handful who saw the wrath os saddam in person. They all know that they are better off without saddam. But most hate america now cuz we have taken away what they held dear to their hearts...their family members, their friends, and their neighbors. You are really kidding yourself if you think Bush has made this world a safer place for your children.

coexistence is the key. not dominance

So you think that the Islamic community wants to live peacefully with a society that is basically opposite of their beleifs. You say Bush has made it a more volatile place. I have news for you hatred for America is nothing new. I saw it in the Middle East 10 years ago. Along with other countries. The only difference is now you get to see it on your TV.

 

[Wahsapa]

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view.php/1086

you think thats threatining? these fundamental beliefs are out to get you?

"1 - belief in god's presence and accepting that god has no peers.
2 - belief in Quran
3 - belief in angels
4 - belief in god's prophets
5 - belief in that all that exists and had existed in universe are under god's will"

"The fundamental beliefs of Islam are: Firstly, the 5 Pillars of Islam

1. To bear witness that there is none worthy of worship save Allah and that Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) is the Messenger of Allah. This verse is the declaration of faith in Islam
2. To observe 5 time Prayer (Salat).
3. To pay Zakat (Alms giving)
4. To perform the Pilgrimage to the House of Allah (Hajj).
5. To observe fasting during Ramadhan." "

i said politics and religion havnt been disconnected, yet. im hoping some day everybody will realize we can politic for the greater good without having to involve religion.

i know everything in this world is connected to everything else.

i see heavy catholic influence on countries as bad.


edit: just so that everybody knows "The literal meaning of Islam is peace"