How do you think Intel will segment its Coffee Lake desktop line-up?

[RichUK]

Yes.

Yes to both?

 

[frozentundra123456]

No.

 

[AMDisTheBEST]

They don't have a choice really, unless you're also skeptic about clocks improving on Zen in the next 6-9 months?

Intel has every reason in the world to price 6c/12t in the old 4c/8t slot.

intel wont lower their prices too much because it hurts their margin badly. e.g, if 10 cpus are sold every year for example and intel has 90% market share and make $2 off each cpu, then 9 cpus x $2 = $18, they make $18 annually.

now amd comes and start selling their cpus for $1.70 that have similar performance. intel can now either drop prices or lose market share, both which cuts down their profit. which one to choose depends on the trade off.

To retain market share, they are likely have to cut prices down to $1.70 or lower. this means $1.70 x 9 = $15.3 which means they lose $2.70 profit. however, if they dont drop prices and let their market share slide for like said 10%, then they will sell 8 cpus at the same price. 8 x $2 = $16 and they will lose less if they were to drop prices.

In other words, as long as consumer demands are in check and market share doesn't slide below certain threshold, there is no reason for intel to drop prices on any of their chips. also, intel can always flex the muscle of their monopoly and start bribing oems , aggressively market their cpus, or any such combination of shady/legit business practices like back int the Athlon days.
Do you now see why I am skeptical?

 

[coercitiv]

Do you now see why I am skeptical?

No.

How does your oversimplified pricing theory explain the 2c/4t Pentium?

 

[w3rd]

In two years time, 8cores will be mainstream. (Consoles, laptops & phones alike.)

 

[Shivansps]

My best bet:

I7- 6C/12T
I5- 6C/6T
I3- 4C/8T
Pentium 4C/4T
Celeron 4C/4T Low Clock/Cache cut

Thats the current Intel model for Core/Threads for 2+2 to 4+2, upscaled to 4+2 to 6+2.

 

[sm625]

This is intel after all so I expect the idiotic:

i7 6C/12T
i7 6C/6T
i7 4C/8T
i5 4C/4T
i3 2C/4T

you would think they might simply add a "i8" or even a "i9" but I think that makes a bit too much sense.

 

[LTC8K6]

They already released a 2C4T Pentium, so I think the i3 will be moving up.

 

[rancherlee]

This is intel after all so I expect the idiotic:
you would think they might simply add a "i8" or even a "i9" but I think that makes a bit too much sense.

I could see that backfiring badly if they go with i9 for the 6c/12t chip and then the rumored Ryzen drops as an R9 with 16c/32t. I think everything will just move up.
i7 6c/12t
i5 4c/8t
i3 4c
P 2c/4t
C 2c

 

[coffeemonster]

I don't expect it, but if Intel would release 6c/6t i5 I would buy this over AMD ( and I am AMD fan )

for what reason though? If you are an AMD fan, and AMD makes a 6c12t CPU now for $230, what are you assuming intel would offer that's so much more appealing with a theoretical 6c6t i5?

 

[ozzy702]

for what reason though? If you are an AMD fan, and AMD makes a 6c12t CPU now for $230, what are you assuming intel would offer that's so much more appealing with a theoretical 6c6t i5?

Much higher clock speeds and higher IPC. AMD is certainly offering a great value with Ryzen but that's partly because Intel has become so lazy. If Intel releases a hyperthreaded six core with at least Skylake IPC that can hit 4.8-5ghz it will be THE CPU to buy for people who want the absolute highest performance. Money doesn't always play a part in purchasing hardware.

 

[scannall]

I'm not sure why some of you think they will cut their margins by any significant degree. They may bump their advertising, and their kickbacks... err rebates some. But once you cut margins it's almost impossible to get them back.

 

[Mockingbird]

Intel will add a 6-core processor to the mainstream lineup and it will cost as much as a Intel Core i7-6800K.

Other than that, the product lineup will be kept the same.

 

[Shivansps]

Intel will add a 6-core processor to the mainstream lineup and it will cost as much as a Intel Core i7-6800K.

Other than that, the product lineup will be kept the same.

Thats is idiotic.

 

[LTC8K6]

Intel will add a 6-core processor to the mainstream lineup and it will cost as much as a Intel Core i7-6800K.

Other than that, the product lineup will be kept the same.

I think it could be a little cheaper. It won't support 4 channel ram, or 28 PCI-E lanes.

 

[Mockingbird]

I think it could be a little cheaper. It won't support 4 channel ram, or 28 PCI-E lanes.

The cost of quad-channel RAM and 28 PCI-E express lanes is reflected in the cost of the motherboard more so than cost of the processor.

 

[LTC8K6]

The cost of quad-channel RAM and 28 PCI-E express lanes is reflected in the cost of the motherboard more so than cost of the processor.

But it's a feature that you can charge more for.

Then again, if they give it an igp, that would add to the cost.

It just seems unlikely that the suggested price would be the same as the 6800K. I think it's got to be lower. Somewhere between a 7700K and a 6800K, I would think.

 

[Mockingbird]

But it's a feature that you can charge more for.

Then again, if they give it an igp, that would add to the cost.

It just seems unlikely that the suggested price would be the same as the 6800K. I think it's got to be lower. Somewhere between a 7700K and a 6800K, I would think.

Knowing Intel, I doubt it.

After Intel released the [10 cores] Core i7-6950X, did the price of the [8 cores] Core i7-6900K go down to the price of the [6 core] Core i7-5820K?

Hell no!

 

[Shivansps]

People had been saying the same about how Intel never were gona add HT to pentiums because they will be killing I3 sales, and here we are. Like it or not Intel arent idiots and they know they need to step up their game now more than ever.

Worse case escenario has to be i5 as 4C/8T and Celeron/Pentium as rebranded KBs. But nothing less. But thats no enoght and i think they know that.

 

[tamz_msc]

People had been saying the same about how Intel never were gona add HT to pentiums because they will be killing I3 sales, and here we are. Like it or not Intel arent idiots and they know they need to step up their game now more than ever.

Worse case escenario has to be i5 as 4C/8T and Celeron/Pentium as rebranded KBs. But nothing less. But thats no enoght and i think they know that.

They can afford to kill i3 sales and pass them on to OEMs. It is their 200$-400$ segment that is going to be make or break for them.

 

[Mockingbird]

After AMD released the Ryzen 7 1800X at less than half the price of the Core i7-6900K, Intel didn't even flinch.

It's pretty clear that Intel has no intention of lowering the prices of its processors.

 

[mikk]

After AMD released the Ryzen 7 1800X at less than half the price of the Core i7-6900K, Intel didn't even flinch.

Because Intel is aware they have new products in the pipeline, if they feel a price reduction is required they can do this with their new products from the beginning.

 

[Shivansps]

After AMD released the Ryzen 7 1800X at less than half the price of the Core i7-6900K, Intel didn't even flinch.

It's pretty clear that Intel has no intention of lowering the prices of its processors.

Who said they are going to lower prices?

 

[LTC8K6]

After AMD released the Ryzen 7 1800X at less than half the price of the Core i7-6900K, Intel didn't even flinch.

It's pretty clear that Intel has no intention of lowering the prices of its processors.

Lowering prices is something they can do any time if needed. It's something that can be done at the last moment.

So far, it doesn't look like it's needed.

 

[RamRock]

i7 6c/12t K devil -> 390$
i7 6c/12t non-K ~330-360$
i5 4c/8t K 290$
i5 4c/8t nonK 200-250$
i3 2c/4t 100$-180$
Pentium 2c/2t <100$

Why?
Intel doesn't care about AMD in the matter of the price... they never put price down instead they make quicker release of new product, higher clock....

There was alwayes like that... They have done pentium 4 era, Phenom II (when AMD gave higher clock with less price- they cancel i7 920 and made 935)...
FX didn't compete any time.