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MrBond

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<< No not realy, but he is doing very well pissing of every major goverment in the world. >>



Just because every other government is used to Clinton's pansey approach to foreign policy. Of course you'd expect China to be upset with us, they no longer can buy our muclear secrets from the president.
 

Tominator

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With poll numbers that put Clinton to shame, how can anyone say he will not get a second term is beyond me. In the next three months the American Citizen will actually get cash in their hands. And yes, that IS buying votes!

Compared to Clinton he is GREAT!
 

Donuts

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Well lets see, he hasn't got caught with an intern yet, He didn't fire the travel office and put his family in there! Oh, and his wife isn't trying to run the first term. I think he's doing just fine.
 

rmeijer

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It seems as if he is making headway with what he claimed he would do. So in that sense, he is doing a good job.

However, I still feel embarrassed every time I see him talk on National Television. He still needs to work on his presentation skills.
 

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<< 'The common European perception is of a shallow, arrogant, gun-loving, abortion-hating, Christian fundamentalist Texan buffoon,' a senior official told the New York Times yesterday. >>



Tell us again why we should give a sh!t what Europeans think?
 

BowDown

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Hehe... Not bad. I think it's all timing... but I predict he will get re-elected next time around. As long as we don't go to war we're set. LOL.
 

Kosugi

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If Bush continues to swing to the middle, then I see him having a legitimate shot 3 1/2 years from now.


Can foriegn policy survive that time? I don't know.


Bush is backpeddeling on many of his far right Republican priorities, which is good for the US and the world. If the rest of the world weren't ridiculing him (and us) for Kyoto, death penalties, and missle defenses, there would be no moderation what-so-ever, and that would be bad for everyone.

Republicans fool themselves into thinking that they were given a mandate in the last election, even though they received fewer votes in the Senate, Congress, and Oval Office. They think that the country is swinging right, along with them. They are mistaken. Screw this up, and expect a left-swinging backlash in 2 years, and then again in the 2004 election.

If Bush is smart, he will stay away from the far right. Else, like father like son. Single term president.
 

glenn1

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<< Becuse the US needs Europe as much as Europe needs the US >>



Needing Europe and needing European leaders to &quot;like&quot; our President are two seperate items. I could care less if European leaders utterly despised Bush, so long as their personal feelings don't translate into policy and trade decisions. International relations isn't a popularity contest. You can rest assured that many Americans (including those in high government positions) don't like certain European leaders either, so i guess that makes us even.
 

Red Dawn

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He appears weak and befuddled. Of course, he has always appeared weak and befuddled. It is obvious the RatpubliKans screwed up nominating him instead of John McCain. His performance so far has been one of a Marionette with Big Oil/Energy playing Geppetto to his Pinocchio. His only saving grace is that the Demoncrats are comprised of Tree Hugging Philanderers, Drunken Red Noses, Fellow Travelers and Ball Gargling Homo's. The next election will be between an inept Buffoon and Wild Eyed Extremist Demoncrats. Not much of a choice if you ask me
 

Doboji

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<< I think he has done rather well so far. Made promises on the campaign trail and have actually carried them to congress. Whether congress keeps some of them intact, like education or more energy, is up to the Dems. Now lets see if they can actually be bipartisan instead of their meaning of bipartisan legislation. >>



Bipartisan my a$$ you mean REPUBLICAN.... why on earth would they willingly support initiatives they totally disagree with, and believe will damage the economy?

I say go Tommy go!... show Mr. Georgie what for!

-Max
 

Amused

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<< Becuse the US needs Europe as much as Europe needs the US >>



Really? If Europe fell off the face of the earth, you're claiming the US could not survive, or would have serious problems? Hell, most of our production is done in Asia and South America. Europe produces very little, just as the US does.

No, if Europe disappeared, we'd feel a slight pinch as the European markets dried up suddenly and move right along. If the US disappeared, the first Hitler or Stalin-esque type leader that came along would own Europe.

You guys need us FAR more than we need you. Get over yourselves.
 

Czar

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<< No, if Europe disappeared, we'd feel a slight pinch as the European markets dried up suddenly and move right along. If the US disappeared, the first Hitler or Stalin-esque type leader that came along would own Europe. >>


My my, some people have a twisted view of the world.
 

Amused

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<<

<< No, if Europe disappeared, we'd feel a slight pinch as the European markets dried up suddenly and move right along. If the US disappeared, the first Hitler or Stalin-esque type leader that came along would own Europe. >>


My my, some people have a twisted view of the world.
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No, I have a very vivid view of history. Every country in Europe with the exception of Switzerland (The only European country with armed civilians) has been over run so many times, or handed power to tyrannical governments, that I'm surprised your children aren't born with boot prints on their backs by default.

Until we bailed you out for the last time in WWII, and set up permanent military presence there, Europe was about as stable as a one legged table.

Europe has the US alone to thank for the last 56 years of stability. Not to mention safety from the USSR for 45 years.
 

etech

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I still fail to see why anyone supports McCain when he has come up with such a flawed piece of legislation, the McCain-Feingold bill.
dailynews.yahoo.com/
>>Legal Experts Rip U.S. Campaign Finance Bill
By John Whitesides

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - With the House of Representatives scheduled to take up the campaign finance debate in a month, legal experts on Tuesday ripped a Senate-passed measure as an unconstitutional restriction of free-speech rights that will be struck down in court.

The Senate bill banning the unregulated donations to political parties known as ``soft money'' and restricting issue ads by independent groups was ``a recipe for political repression,'' Nadine Strossen, president of the American Civil Liberties Union (news - web sites), told a House hearing.

Groups ranging from the ACLU on the left to the Christian Coalition on the right have come together in opposition to the Senate bill and its companion House measure, and have vowed an all-out attack in the courts if the bills win final approval.

The bills are ``a broad-based attack on the ability of our citizens to participate in our political process,'' said James Bopp, general counsel of the James Madison Center for Free Speech.<<


When you have both the ACLU and the Christian Coalition agreeing on something there has to be a good reason.


 

RossGr

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<< No, if Europe disappeared, we'd feel a slight pinch as the European markets dried up suddenly and move right along. If the US disappeared, the first Hitler or Stalin-esque type leader that came along would own Europe >>



This is really a ludicrous argument for why Europe needs the US, why don't you go back to the drawing board and try again.
 

RossGr

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BTW; it is way to early to even guess at the quality of prez GWB will be. That is not know until 50yrs after he has left office. We are only now getting the historic prespective needed to judge the quality of JFK.
 

Czar

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ok, I should have changed it to &quot;my my, someone has a big ego&quot;


<< No, I have a very vivid view of history. Every country in Europe with the exception of Switzerland (The only European country with armed civilians) has been over run so many times, or handed power to tyrannical governments, that I'm surprised your children aren't born with boot prints on their backs by default. >>


So your saying this to justify your own armory.

Europe has something you dont, and that is history and history often causes trouble, ignorance and overblown egos are also very common cause of trouble (i.e. all those dictators)
 

Amused

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<<

<< No, if Europe disappeared, we'd feel a slight pinch as the European markets dried up suddenly and move right along. If the US disappeared, the first Hitler or Stalin-esque type leader that came along would own Europe >>



This is really a ludicrous argument for why Europe needs the US, why don't you go back to the drawing board and try again.
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Hardly. When has Europe (with the exception of some former USSR states) had a longer era of stability? Never. The US military presence is the main reason Europe has remained stable, and safe from the former USSR, since WWII.
 

Amused

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<< ok, I should have changed it to &quot;my my, someone has a big ego&quot;


<< No, I have a very vivid view of history. Every country in Europe with the exception of Switzerland (The only European country with armed civilians) has been over run so many times, or handed power to tyrannical governments, that I'm surprised your children aren't born with boot prints on their backs by default. >>


So your saying this to justify your own armory.

Europe has something you dont, and that is history and history often causes trouble, ignorance and overblown egos are also very common cause of trouble (i.e. all those dictators)
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Uh huh. As if any of this somehow negates any of the facts I've pointed out?
 

etech

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From hesitant candidate to fluent leader

IT was a purposeful and self assured President George W Bush who strode from the Oval Office at precisely the appointed time to greet nine European journalists assembled around a long mahogany table in the White House's Family Dining Room.

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A few hours later he was due to depart for Spain on Air Force One and five intensive days introducing himself to a Europe dominated by centre-Left governments deeply suspicious of the man who so narrowly defeated their ally Al Gore in Florida last year. To the journalists who spoke to him yesterday, like most Americans who have come into contact with him, Mr Bush left the impression of a straightforward, clear-thinking and engaging leader.

The success of his trip may depend on whether he can create a similar impression abroad: persuade Europe to take him at his word rather than seek refuge in the stereotype of an ignorant cowboy with no interest in the world outside his ranch.
 

Czar

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<< Europe has something you dont, and that is history and history often causes trouble, ignorance and overblown egos are also very common cause of trouble (i.e. all those dictators) >>

Uh huh. As if any of this somehow negates any of the facts I've pointed out?
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No I´m just pointing out that we have learned from our history, your country still has to go through that phase. Just expecting some dictator to come along and takeover europe just shows that you have not learned anything, you dont seem know any more about the history of Europe than probably one book you read in grade school.