How do you tell a deeply religious person that

[CHfan4ever]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
you're atheist/agnostic without

a) Offending them
b) Having them hate you for it
c) Having them try to convert(?) you

Why the fvuck you care about religious people feeling lol.Anyway if they feel offended they will turn to their god to feel better...

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Gurck
What does the order matter? I'm preserving the spirit in which they were stated and edited for length only because of the sig length limit. Where have I preached atheism? Don't bother linking the 'atheism in a year' thread, as that's nothing of the sort; it was half-facetious, half experiment (one which proved mass hypocrisy here, I might add).

Please... just the smallest whisper of God or religion in a thread will bring you in condemning, insulting, and ridiculing anyone and everyone who dares to believe differently than you do...

 

[mesonw]

But I chose to believe in religion because of the way it can inspire people to improve themselves.

lol - not because you felt that god actually does exist then. Nice. I'm sure if there was a god, he'd be chuffed to hear it.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: mesonw

Not that afterlife or the creation, if such things exist, even matter. Religion is about the philosophy of how to live a better life and be a better human being. Two things that I feel quite sure you are completely uninterested in.

Hmmm... not so sure you've summed religion up quite correctly there. Religion isn't all about living a better life as a better human being. Religion is often about obeying your god, or doing as you believe your god wishes. If it was all nicey nicey living a better life, then there wouldn't be much religious hatred in the world would there?

Fundamentalists are about as religious as atheists are.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Gurck
What does the order matter? I'm preserving the spirit in which they were stated and edited for length only because of the sig length limit. Where have I preached atheism? Don't bother linking the 'atheism in a year' thread, as that's nothing of the sort; it was half-facetious, half experiment (one which proved mass hypocrisy here, I might add).

Please... just the smallest whisper of God or religion in a thread will bring you in condemning, insulting, and ridiculing anyone and everyone who dares to believe differently than you do...

You only feel this way because you disagree with my beliefs and are unable to overcome the hate you feel because of this when responding. Read a bit of what I've said instead of what you want to hear from me, it may help you to stop putting words in my mouth. Not only will you stop embarassing other elite members and looking stupid, you might become more tolerant as well, which will help you out a good deal in the future.

Originally posted by: Vic
Fundamentalists are about as religious as atheists are.

So anyone who doesn't believe in god is as bad as the worst of those who do... More bias and generalism, why am I not surprised? :roll:

 

[mesonw]

Fundamentalists are about as religious as atheists are.

I think you'd like to think that. If religion is all about the spiritual side of a person believing in a god, and that belief makes you do bad things in the name of religion, that doesn't make you less religious, just makes you of a different bent to those for whom religion doesn't make them do bad things.

 

[db]

Belief (& philosophical systems) is not a provable fact.
But that does not make it invalid!

 

[GoingUp]

just tell them that you gave up christ for lent

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: Gurck
What does the order matter? I'm preserving the spirit in which they were stated and edited for length only because of the sig length limit. Where have I preached atheism? Don't bother linking the 'atheism in a year' thread, as that's nothing of the sort; it was half-facetious, half experiment (one which proved mass hypocrisy here, I might add).

Please... just the smallest whisper of God or religion in a thread will bring you in condemning, insulting, and ridiculing anyone and everyone who dares to believe differently than you do...

You only feel this way because you disagree with my beliefs and are unable to overcome the hate you feel because of this when responding. Read a bit of what I've said instead of what you want to hear from me, it may help you to stop putting words in my mouth. Not only will you stop embarassing other elite members and looking stupid, you might become more tolerant as well, which will help you out a good deal in the future.

No he's right, any mention of God and you come storming in with a flamethrower.

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs
just tell them that you gave up christ for lent

lol

 

[mesonw]

Originally posted by: db
Belief (& philosophical systems) is not a provable fact.
But that does not make it invalid!

But if you break religion's leg, it does make it invalid.

haw-haw-haw.. sorry *ahem*

 

[AFB]

Originally posted by: ifesfor

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
you're atheist/agnostic without

a) Offending them
b) Having them hate you for it
c) Having them try to convert(?) you

Why the fvuck you care about religious people feeling lol.Anyway if they feel offended they will turn to their god to feel better...

Because I care about the people I'm telling it to, not whether they're religious or not.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: mesonw

Fundamentalists are about as religious as atheists are.

I think you'd like to think that. If religion is all about the spiritual side of a person believing in a god, and that belief makes you do bad things in the name of religion, that doesn't make you less religious, just makes you of a different bent to those for whom religion doesn't make them do bad things.

You missed my point entirely. I meant that both adhere to irrational and often contradictory beliefs that they follow zealously.


Gurck, you are the king of twisting words and making lies, king of the senseless smear... I will give you that. Me hats off.

 

[Gurck]

Originally posted by: malak
No he's right, any mention of God and you come storming in with a flamethrower.

Why not try to edit a little meat into your post? Blind hate for someone who doesn't share your beliefs is getting old... Even if it's just rationalization of hypocrisy, Vic has at least posted more than "you suck for not being christian, Gurck"

 

[daniel49]

Originally posted by: amdfanboy
you're atheist/agnostic without

a) Offending them
b) Having them hate you for it
c) Having them try to convert(?) you

Hi, I like you for a friend, but I am an agnostic and don't want to be preached to . I would really appreciate it if you would respect that and I will try and respect your beliefs.

 

[mesonw]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: mesonw

Fundamentalists are about as religious as atheists are.

I think you'd like to think that. If religion is all about the spiritual side of a person believing in a god, and that belief makes you do bad things in the name of religion, that doesn't make you less religious, just makes you of a different bent to those for whom religion doesn't make them do bad things.

You missed my point entirely. I meant that both adhere to irrational and often contradictory beliefs that they follow zealously.


Gurck, you are the king of twisting words and making lies, king of the senseless smear... I will give you that. Me hats off.

I knew the point you were trying to make - I just replied to the one you wrote down - try lucidating a little more clearly if you want a different response.

Oh and would you mind adding religious folk in that sweeping statement too? Thankyou very much.

 

[So]

Originally posted by: db
Belief (& philosophical systems) is not a provable fact.
But that does not make it invalid!

By the same token, Lord of the rings is real. Seriously, just because a lot of people believe something, even if they are smart people, there is still no rational reason to believe something without demonstrable proof.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: So

Originally posted by: db
Belief (& philosophical systems) is not a provable fact.
But that does not make it invalid!

By the same token, Lord of the rings is real. Seriously, just because a lot of people believe something, even if they are smart people, there is still no rational reason to believe something without demonstrable proof.

Like action, believing against something is a belief in itself.

 

[WaxHaX0rS]

Atheism is almost as bad as theism, but not quite. Neither side has proof, but the atheists actually believe in things that logically make sense. Theists believe in fairy tales written thousands of years ago. Personally, I'm agnostic. I have no idea if there is a God. Maybe I'll figure it out someday, I hope so.

 

[imported_Salvatore]

I'm a believer in something, but I'm not the type of person to be so easily offended by something so incredibly un-offensive. I've always been mature enough to be accepting of other peoples' beliefs et al. Make no mistake, some of us believers also dislike the religious zealots. You just have to live with it, like you have to deal with some of the jerkoff responses I've seen in this thread.

EDIT: I wasn't talking about the latter responses of this thread.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: CheapArse
why do you need to tell them?

:thumbsup:


Any answer you give them will just make it worse.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: Gurck

Originally posted by: malak
No he's right, any mention of God and you come storming in with a flamethrower.

Why not try to edit a little meat into your post? Blind hate for someone who doesn't share your beliefs is getting old... Even if it's just rationalization of hypocrisy, Vic has at least posted more than "you suck for not being christian, Gurck"

I don't hate you, never said I did. Apparently you are the blind one. I never came here blasting my beliefs, you however do not hesitate.

 

[Malak]

Originally posted by: WaxHaX0rS
Atheism is almost as bad as theism, but not quite. Neither side has proof, but the atheists actually believe in things that logically make sense. Theists believe in fairy tales written thousands of years ago. Personally, I'm agnostic. I have no idea if there is a God. Maybe I'll figure it out someday, I hope so.

I have just as much proof that God exists as I exist and you exist. It's impossible to "prove" to anyone God exists. Atheists don't want to believe in God and wouldn't even if he reached down and shook their hand. I certainly don't believe in fairy tales and I don't need anything written down to believe in God. I believed in God before I believed anything in the bible.

 

[SWScorch]

My gf and her family are very religious, and thus all of their friends are as well. When I first started going out with her, and I would be introduced to someone, invariably their first question would be "Are you Christian?" or "What church do you go to?" I eventually started saying, "With all due respect, that's frankly none of your business." Worked well with the more intelligent ones, the stupid ones got pissed though.

 

[hpkeeper]

Tell them to take a class on the philosophy of religion... that way all the explaining is done before the conversation of Atheism takes place.