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Vic

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Vic
Burst your bubble?
Not at all, I'm nothing if not used to hypocrisy and double standards from the religious.
So... let me get this straight. If a religious person tries to convert you save your soul, you're offended, but if they don't try, they're being hypocritical? :roll:

The OP posted flamebait. I flamed him. You take it out of context, put it in your sig, and foolishly think you're cool. I'm so impressed by your petty hatred...
 

mesonw

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Were it possible to have an actual intelligent conversation about religion and atheism

I laughed at that at first, because while it's totally possible to have an intelligent conversation as you suggest, it'll never amount to resolving anything.
I'm afraid that while a religious person may respect your belief that there is no god to speak of, they will think you're wrong - and an atheist will likewise believe the religious person is wrong. You can have lengthy, polite conversations about the reasons about your convictions, and discuss all matter of 'evidence' to support your theories, but in the end it comes down to two people fundamentally approaching it all from a different direction.
Religion and atheism are like black and white - polar opposites.
 
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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, these self-righteous idiot non-theists have to believe that every religious person actually gives 2 sh!ts about their worthless souls...
Wow...
Burst your bubble?
I'm sure someone's bubble just got burst...There have to be a few people who are flaming atheists for the same reason there exist dry-kissing lesbians, emo kids, and other attention whores.
Actually I agree many kids are atheists in the name of rebellion, you generally see them take up a religion by 20-22 when they realize their mortality. What's left are the true atheists. So your attack wasn't entirely baseless. I'm not a kid however, nor do I crave attention in the least. But hey, I can't really blame you - at nearly 20k posts and nonelite status, most other posters would start kissing serious ass as well ;)

I'd think that the "Rebellion Atheists" would be outweighed in spades by the "Rebellion Satanists" :p

- M4H
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Actually I agree many kids are atheists in the name of rebellion, you generally see them take up a religion by 20-22 when they realize their mortality. What's left are the true atheists. So your attack wasn't entirely baseless. I'm not a kid however, nor do I crave attention in the least. But hey, I can't really blame you - at nearly 20k posts and nonelite status, most other posters would start kissing serious ass as well ;)
Nice petty jab there. Nothing too low for you, eh?

First, we all know you're in high school.

Second, only non-intellectuals think that religion is all about the fear of mortality.
 

Gurck

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I don't think I'm cool in any regard, if it were even a priority I'd agree with the majority no matter what - which on this board is quite the god-squad :laugh: I quoted you because I like to have a humorous sig. I didn't take you out of context either, just caught you flashing your true colors... I'd bet good money you weighed the option of editing that post ;)
 

TuxDave

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Ok.... how would you approach this situation?

R (Religious Person): Hi, are you Christian?
M (Me): No, I'm not religious.
R: I'm here to spread the word of Jesus.
M: That's fine, but I'm really not interested.
R: But I met Jesus!

:confused:
 
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In the Bullsh*t Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman. 'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullsh*t, big-time, major league bullsh*t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims: religion. No contest. No contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh*t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man -- living in the sky -- who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!
But He loves you.
He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh*t story. Holy Sh*t!
-- George Carlin

- M4H
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: mesonw
Were it possible to have an actual intelligent conversation about religion and atheism
I laughed at that at first, because while it's totally possible to have an intelligent conversation as you suggest, it'll never amount to resolving anything.
I'm afraid that while a religious person may respect your belief that there is no god to speak of, they will think you're wrong - and an atheist will likewise believe the religious person is wrong. You can have lengthy, polite conversations about the reasons about your convictions, and discuss all matter of 'evidence' to support your theories, but in the end it comes down to two people fundamentally approaching it all from a different direction.
Religion and atheism are like black and white - polar opposites.
Hardly. Any open-minded intellectually-minded person should be able to discuss the intricacies of both philosophies. Because there is no "evidence" to support either belief. No evidence whatsoever. To claim to know that either belief is "wrong" is simply to be a fool. If you're looking for evidence, I suggest agnosticism.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
Actually I agree many kids are atheists in the name of rebellion, you generally see them take up a religion by 20-22 when they realize their mortality. What's left are the true atheists. So your attack wasn't entirely baseless. I'm not a kid however, nor do I crave attention in the least. But hey, I can't really blame you - at nearly 20k posts and nonelite status, most other posters would start kissing serious ass as well ;)
Nice petty jab there. Nothing too low for you, eh?

First, we all know you're in high school.

Second, only non-intellectuals think that religion is all about the fear of mortality.
What's low about responding to a low blow?
I'm in my late 20s.
I'm well aware that there are many aspects keeping people religious/spiritual. Fear of death is a big one though for the demographic I mentioned.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Vic
Yeah, these self-righteous idiot non-theists have to believe that every religious person actually gives 2 sh!ts about their worthless souls...
Wow...
Burst your bubble?
I'm sure someone's bubble just got burst...There have to be a few people who are flaming atheists for the same reason there exist dry-kissing lesbians, emo kids, and other attention whores.
Actually I agree many kids are atheists in the name of rebellion, you generally see them take up a religion by 20-22 when they realize their mortality. What's left are the true atheists. So your attack wasn't entirely baseless. I'm not a kid however, nor do I crave attention in the least. But hey, I can't really blame you - at nearly 20k posts and nonelite status, most other posters would start kissing serious ass as well ;)

Ha ha. Yes, attack my non-elite status; That's shooting right for the heart :roll:
 
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Originally posted by: TuxDave
Ok.... how would you approach this situation?

R (Religious Person): Hi, are you Christian?
M (Me): No, I'm not religious.
R: I'm here to spread the word of Jesus.
M: That's fine, but I'm really not interested.
R: But I met Jesus!

:confused:

M: So did I. He cuts my grass. Cool guy.

- M4H
 

TuxDave

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Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire
Originally posted by: TuxDave
Ok.... how would you approach this situation?

R (Religious Person): Hi, are you Christian?
M (Me): No, I'm not religious.
R: I'm here to spread the word of Jesus.
M: That's fine, but I'm really not interested.
R: But I met Jesus!

:confused:

M: So did I. He cuts my grass. Cool guy.

- M4H

:laugh: I'll remember that...
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Vic
Hardly. Any open-minded intellectually-minded person should be able to discuss the intricacies of both philosophies. Because there is no "evidence" to support either belief. No evidence whatsoever. To claim to know that either belief is "wrong" is simply to be a fool. If you're looking for evidence, I suggest agnosticism.
More bias. Atheists make no claim; only believe what's observable. They need no evidence. A claim of something completely unobservable, despite about ten millenia of rabid study, on the other hand...
 

upsciLLion

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Originally posted by: Gurck
I don't think I'm cool in any regard, if it were even a priority I'd agree with the majority no matter what - which on this board is quite the god-squad :laugh: I quoted you because I like to have a humorous sig. I didn't take you out of context either, just caught you flashing your true colors... I'd bet good money you weighed the option of editing that post ;)

I'd bet good money that you're going to die with your doctor being the only person to ever touch your penis. ;)
 

db

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The best way to convert someone is to be a good example. That says a lot more, in my opinion, than in-your-face tactics.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Ha ha. Yes, attack my non-elite status; That's shooting right for the heart :roll:
Pretty tame after your opening attack, I agree - but I'm not in the mood tonight.
Originally posted by: upsciLLion
I'd bet good money that you're going to die with your doctor being the only person to ever touch your penis. ;)
Sure thing, I'll take you up on that for any amount.
 

nmcglennon

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Who cares about telling them.
If they wanted to hear your opinion they'd ask, and they'd be prepared to hear that.
 

b0mbrman

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Originally posted by: Gurck
I don't think I'm cool in any regard, if it were even a priority I'd agree with the majority no matter what - which on this board is quite the god-squad :laugh:
Sure the God squad is the majority...you're such an individual => :cool: <=
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Gurck
I don't think I'm cool in any regard, if it were even a priority I'd agree with the majority no matter what - which on this board is quite the god-squad :laugh: I quoted you because I like to have a humorous sig. I didn't take you out of context either, just caught you flashing your true colors... I'd bet good money you weighed the option of editing that post ;)
It's completely out of context and you know it. You even reserved the order in which they were posted, and edited to your convenience. And you would lose that "good money", because I didn't think for a minute of editing it.

The hypocrisy is yours. Ranting about preaching theists when you're nothing but a preaching atheist.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Vic
Hardly. Any open-minded intellectually-minded person should be able to discuss the intricacies of both philosophies. Because there is no "evidence" to support either belief. No evidence whatsoever. To claim to know that either belief is "wrong" is simply to be a fool. If you're looking for evidence, I suggest agnosticism.
More bias. Atheists make no claim; only believe what's observable. They need no evidence. A claim of something completely unobservable, despite about ten millenia of rabid study, on the other hand...
Right... because we all know that the lack of an afterlife is completely observable... :roll:

Not that afterlife or the creation, if such things exist, even matter. Religion is about the philosophy of how to live a better life and be a better human being. Two things that I feel quite sure you are completely uninterested in.
 

mesonw

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: mesonw
Were it possible to have an actual intelligent conversation about religion and atheism
I laughed at that at first, because while it's totally possible to have an intelligent conversation as you suggest, it'll never amount to resolving anything.
I'm afraid that while a religious person may respect your belief that there is no god to speak of, they will think you're wrong - and an atheist will likewise believe the religious person is wrong. You can have lengthy, polite conversations about the reasons about your convictions, and discuss all matter of 'evidence' to support your theories, but in the end it comes down to two people fundamentally approaching it all from a different direction.
Religion and atheism are like black and white - polar opposites.
Hardly. Any open-minded intellectually-minded person should be able to discuss the intricacies of both philosophies. Because there is no "evidence" to support either belief. No evidence whatsoever. To claim to know that either belief is "wrong" is simply to be a fool. If you're looking for evidence, I suggest agnosticism.

You're right - you can certainly discuss the intricacies of the philosophies. I guess what I was trying to say was that you can't ever hope to come to an agreeable conclusion on whether either philosophy is more valid than the other.
 

Gurck

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
I don't think I'm cool in any regard, if it were even a priority I'd agree with the majority no matter what - which on this board is quite the god-squad :laugh: I quoted you because I like to have a humorous sig. I didn't take you out of context either, just caught you flashing your true colors... I'd bet good money you weighed the option of editing that post ;)
It's completely out of context and you know it. You even reserved the order in which they were posted, and edited to your convenience. And you would lose that "good money", because I didn't think for a minute of editing it.

The hypocrisy is yours. Ranting about preaching theists when you're nothing but a preaching atheist.
What does the order matter? I'm preserving the spirit in which they were stated and edited for length only because of the sig length limit. Where have I preached atheism? Don't bother linking the 'atheism in a year' thread, as that's nothing of the sort; it was half-facetious, half experiment (one which proved mass hypocrisy here, I might add).
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: Gurck
Originally posted by: Vic
Hardly. Any open-minded intellectually-minded person should be able to discuss the intricacies of both philosophies. Because there is no "evidence" to support either belief. No evidence whatsoever. To claim to know that either belief is "wrong" is simply to be a fool. If you're looking for evidence, I suggest agnosticism.
More bias. Atheists make no claim; only believe what's observable. They need no evidence. A claim of something completely unobservable, despite about ten millenia of rabid study, on the other hand...
Right... because we all know that the lack of an afterlife is completely observable... :roll:

Not that afterlife or the creation, if such things exist, even matter. Religion is about the philosophy of how to live a better life and be a better human being. Two things that I feel quite sure you are completely uninterested in.
Yet more bias. Lack of something is not worthy of proving.

While religion is in part a how-to guide for life, it's about so much more, much of which I don't agree with.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: mesonw
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: mesonw
Were it possible to have an actual intelligent conversation about religion and atheism
I laughed at that at first, because while it's totally possible to have an intelligent conversation as you suggest, it'll never amount to resolving anything.
I'm afraid that while a religious person may respect your belief that there is no god to speak of, they will think you're wrong - and an atheist will likewise believe the religious person is wrong. You can have lengthy, polite conversations about the reasons about your convictions, and discuss all matter of 'evidence' to support your theories, but in the end it comes down to two people fundamentally approaching it all from a different direction.
Religion and atheism are like black and white - polar opposites.
Hardly. Any open-minded intellectually-minded person should be able to discuss the intricacies of both philosophies. Because there is no "evidence" to support either belief. No evidence whatsoever. To claim to know that either belief is "wrong" is simply to be a fool. If you're looking for evidence, I suggest agnosticism.
You're right - you can certainly discuss the intricacies of the philosophies. I guess what I was trying to say was that you can't ever hope to come to an agreeable conclusion on whether either philosophy is more valid than the other.
I can agree with that. In fact, I came to that conclusion many years ago. But I chose to believe in religion because of the way it can inspire people to improve themselves.
 

mesonw

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Not that afterlife or the creation, if such things exist, even matter. Religion is about the philosophy of how to live a better life and be a better human being. Two things that I feel quite sure you are completely uninterested in.

Hmmm... not so sure you've summed religion up quite correctly there. Religion isn't all about living a better life as a better human being. Religion is often about obeying your god, or doing as you believe your god wishes. If it was all nicey nicey living a better life, then there wouldn't be much religious hatred in the world would there?