How Do You Secure The Borders?

[chucky2]

We could make all Mexicans American citizens.

Fine as long as they obey the laws of this land.

Why do you guys hate low income US Citizens...?

 

[Subyman]

The same way you wage a war on drugs. You don't, you just spend a shit ton of money and give people a new cause to get behind. Ever since the space race the US has only promoted impossible tasks. Impossible tasks are never completed, which is good for business.

 

[Indus]

Biggest example of Wall not working..

Undocumented immigrants storm Florida beach during model’s video shoot

But no we must build a wall and a minefield.. :whiste:

 

[chucky2]

The same way you wage a war on drugs. You don't, you just spend a shit ton of money and give people a new cause to get behind. Ever since the space race the US has only promoted impossible tasks. Impossible tasks are never completed, which is good for business.

Well, if there's not a political will, there won't be a way. When you have both sides of the aisle actively making sure the illegal invasion continues so their pet causes benefit, the political will is in favor of continued illegal invasion, not a secured border. Imagine if the Politicians during the space race treated the space race like a secured border. We'd be blowing up rockets on the launchpad still...

 

[K7SN]

Make it so it is not advantageous to cross our borders.

Now how do you do that. Hard labor where your labor pays for all the costs of feeding and housing - five years would be good for a first time, ten years for a second time, 20 years for a third time.

Make it just as illegal for those that knowingly hire (a good illegal alien knows how to get all the documents) but have the IRS flag any SSN that appears in two places, and SSN that doesn't exist or existed twenty years ago to a deceased person. Something like a multilingual CCC where there is not money to send home. Put a businessman out to hard labor will dissuade that segment of our population.

This will get everybody but mama who wants to be with there grandchildren and are supported by the son and wife. That doesn't bother me.

Deny food stamps, SSI, welfare and even Obama phones to illegal emigrants. While were at it we could make the legal welfare precipitants contribute.

Put a bounty on illegal emigrants, a person does the work, they nab the person and county governments (who would do the nabbing split the bounty with the bounty hunter).

Fix our infrastructure, paint and rebuild bridges, fix our roads, make out public beautiful and reduce our debt.

Gee that might work in a couple counties, a local government will whore itself for funding and ...

wait - the party of giving won't support it and the GOP unless they can see a profit won't like their colleagues put in jeopardy. Wait till we go broke and get mad as hell and with a little blood of patriots it might just happen in a decade or two. Fences don't work but cost money, Drones would work but putting them back across the border to play the emigration lotto the next night won't work.

I'm sure you can come up with other ideas (Watch Cool Hand Luke) but this is the 21st century and such reaction won't work till the fat cats get hungry or feel insecure.

I was born at the end of WWII. Oh well the topic is good for venting disgust but useless in the reality of the times.

 

[1Bit2Bite]

You go to Border Security School...it is a 3 day course.

 

[nickqt]

Try thinking of it in terms a Proggie can understand: It's free to US like other countries have free HC. Also not sure if you saw the edit, I didn't mean they'd work for free, I meant they'd be transported there "for free" to the new host country. Obviously having willing to work low cost labor being transported to your country for free (and, it'd be free to that host country) is a great thing to have. Keep in mind, just like they only 'do jobs Americans won't do' here, I'm sure they'll only 'do jobs <NewHostCountryCitizens> won't do' there.



OK? Why is there a problem when using Gov services to have someone provide an ID?



OK?



Errr...why would we be overthrowing any Gov? We're providing freely transported labor to them, I'm sure we'll find takers - they probably have lots of jobs their citizens won't do and will be happy to get those done.



Exactly man, it's "free HC" "free"! But plopping them on a boat/plane isn't that expensive, better than having illegals running around who didn't bother to get registered under Amnesty 2.0 or who got past the new border protection right? I mean, what US Citizen would be insane enough to be pro-illegal under those circumstances?



An interesting comment from you...

Yes, and your comment is interesting in that you think any of it is realistic because you say "OK?".

 

[soulcougher73]

Fine the ever living shit out of any company that is hiring illegals as well as make them pay for the deportation costs. Should put a halt to it. Im talking real fines. The kind that will make companies teeter on bankruptcy.

 

[trenchfoot]

Well, seeing as if the profit motive is one of the strongest inducements for filling a need......how 'bout doing what the Repubs are always in favor of: privatizing. Let's privatize our Border Patrol and hire those very qualified security folks that worked so well in the Middle East to re-purpose and convert those former BP officers into bounty hunters and have them patrol the borders with a bounty on every illegal they capture and turn over to ICE plus perks. So I guess with the same line of reasoning, maybe ICE should be privatized too.

The gov't saves on the cost of supporting a (as the Repubs like to say) "bloated" bureaucracy and gets in return private business(es) well stocked with professionally trained personnel that are provided with an highly incentivized purpose to be ruthlessly efficient, persistent and thorough while providing them with the latest in high tech gadgetry to augment their skills. This would also take a lot of the politicizing out of the picture where it wouldn't be the gov'ts job to find and remove illegals from the country anymore.

And before I get hammered on this topic, let me add that I'm just throwing this out from the top of my head as food for thought.

 

[xBiffx]

Biggest example of Wall not working..

Undocumented immigrants storm Florida beach during model&#8217;s video shoot

But no we must build a wall and a minefield.. :whiste:

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[Murloc]

Biggest example of Wall not working..

Undocumented immigrants storm Florida beach during model’s video shoot

But no we must build a wall and a minefield.. :whiste:

except that's much more pricey and complicated.

Robbing banks is still possible despite silent alarm buttons, video cameras and whatnot.
Should we drop all those things since robberies happen anyway?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Biggest example of Wall not working..

Undocumented immigrants storm Florida beach during model’s video shoot

But no we must build a wall and a minefield.. :whiste:

Looked more like the beginning of a p0rn movie.

 

[MetalMat]

I'm under the impression that we are doing about as good as we can at this point and will improve with technology. I know it will never happen but building the "Great Wall of America" would be absolutely nuts. Would we really save all that much money operating this giant wall efficiently versus what we are losing now to illegal immigration?

As people have posted in this thread employers that are caught knowingly hiring illegal immigrants should be face harsher penalties and it needs to be better enforced.

I still think it is a good idea to offer a pathway to citizenship via military service, similar to how the French Foreign Legion works.

 

[chucky2]

Yes, and your comment is interesting in that you think any of it is realistic because you say "OK?".

Well, it's realistic for people who want the illegal invasion to stop and not implement Open Borders. For those that yearn for Open Borders/Just let everyone in as fast as we possibly can, Yes, I agree it's an assault on their psyche. Unfortunately for them, responsible adult citizens don't start at the Open Border position, they start at the Secured Border position and then work out responsible immigration from there. It's when the Open Border folks start having whining temper tantrums because they're not getting their way that things start getting interesting (but I expect that to continue, as these same folks know that continually whining eventually wears people down, it's an effective proven tactic)...

 

[ivwshane]

Well, it's realistic for people who want the illegal invasion to stop and not implement Open Borders. For those that yearn for Open Borders/Just let everyone in as fast as we possibly can, Yes, I agree it's an assault on their psyche. Unfortunately for them, responsible adult citizens don't start at the Open Border position, they start at the Secured Border position and then work out responsible immigration from there. It's when the Open Border folks start having whining temper tantrums because they're not getting their way that things start getting interesting (but I expect that to continue, as these same folks know that continually whining eventually wears people down, it's an effective proven tactic)...

Who is arguing for open borders?

 

[nickqt]

Who is arguing for open borders?

Some librul on a message board somewhere, I'm sure. There has to be, because, like, BothSidesDoIt.

And don't forget about Benghazi.

 

[cabri]

Who is arguing for open borders?

What is the difference between open borders and a refusal to expel the illegals. :confused

 

[chucky2]

Who is arguing for open borders?

The pro-mass immigration crowd. When you say you want to massively expand the immigration system to quickly let all who apply in (and by extension if doing that, no need for the quarter hearted joke we make for current "border security"), what you in effect are advocating for is Open Borders. We've had threads like these before, I'm just cutting to the eventual whine point they'll be at, which is, either outright or in-effect Open Borders.

 

[Indus]

What is the difference between open borders and a refusal to expel the illegals. :confused

From: http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ions-of-immigrants-reach-record-high-in-2013/

The Obama administration deported a record 438,421 unauthorized immigrants in fiscal year 2013, continuing a streak of stepped up enforcement that has resulted in more than 2 million deportations since Obama took office, newly released Department of Homeland Security data show.

So we're expelling the illegals, it's not like we're Argentina with open borders.

 

[ivwshane]

The pro-mass immigration crowd. When you say you want to massively expand the immigration system to quickly let all who apply in (and by extension if doing that, no need for the quarter hearted joke we make for current "border security"), what you in effect are advocating for is Open Borders. We've had threads like these before, I'm just cutting to the eventual whine point they'll be at, which is, either outright or in-effect Open Borders.

You didn't answer the question.

 

[ivwshane]

Some librul on a message board somewhere, I'm sure. There has to be, because, like, BothSidesDoIt.

And don't forget about Benghazi.

This is my guess as well.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Three part program:

(1.) Use illegal immigrants as slave labor to build a 50 foot tall wall along the Mexican border.

(2.) Fine businesses that purposely, knowingly, or recklessly hire illegal immigrants.

(3.) Deport any other illegals.

We can solve the problem, but that isn't very touch-feely or warm-and-fuzzy, and the thought of us booting out poor immigrants and even making them build a wall will be repulsive to most Americans.

 

[Indus]

Three part program:

(1.) Use illegal immigrants as slave labor to build a 50 foot tall wall along the Mexican border.

(2.) Fine businesses that purposely, knowingly, or recklessly hire illegal immigrants.

(3.) Deport any other illegals.

We can solve the problem, but that isn't very touch-feely or warm-and-fuzzy, and the thought of us booting out poor immigrants and even making them build a wall will be repulsive to most Americans.

What' you're proposing is unconstitutional as slave labor is against the 14th amendment.

A bigger question would be does the Constitution only apply to US Citizens and permanent residents (green card holders) or to everyone. I think you know the answer to that already.. but still want to disagree

 

[Nebor]

What' you're proposing is unconstitutional as slave labor is against the 14th amendment.

A bigger question would be does the Constitution only apply to US Citizens and permanent residents (green card holders) or to everyone. I think you know the answer to that already.. but still want to disagree

It clearly doesn't apply to everyone. Look at those that are killed extrajudicially by US drone strikes. Their 21st amendment rights are being trampled.

 

[Angry Irishman]

Other....first recognize that the border is anything but secure.