How do we block people from tunneling under our new wall?

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IronWing

IronWing

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I've figured it out! We shall build a floating wall. Anyone who tries to swim under it, will surely drown. We already use Normandy barriers along the border so Mulberry walls would be an aesthetic match.
 
K1052

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It's official, US to pay for wall.

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boomerang

boomerang

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PokerGuy said:
Now nothing. The peso tumbles and Trump continues doing exactly what he was doing. Cancelling the trip was a political decision, but it changes absolutely nothing.
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I'm reading that Nieto was elected with cartel money and if so it's no surprise that he's not going to cooperate in any way with efforts to enforce our borders.
 
Hayabusa Rider

Hayabusa Rider

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People always wanting to reinvent the wheel when there's already a design available.

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brycejones

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boomerang said:
I'm reading that Nieto was elected with cartel money and if so it's no surprise that he's not going to cooperate in any way with efforts to enforce our borders.
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But you are afraid to post a link to where you are reading this info?
 
norseamd

norseamd

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You cant. To stop any tunneling you have to make the wall deep enough under the ground to cover any potential tunneling, and it has to be tough enough to resist any boring. However those building the tunnels only have to deep deeper in one spot, the spot where they are building the tunnel, where are the ones building the wall have to build deeper across the entire US Border. Quite simply, the wasps were the losers even before the start. Nevermind that eventually pretty much anything can be bored through, and good luck finding out where and when they bore through the wall.
 
zinfamous

zinfamous

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Whenever I play Civ, I tend to play as a Trump (or Putin) character: mass my armies near borders, threaten my neighbor to agree to open borders and as soon as they do, move in and capture as many border cities as I can.

Bully bully bully until I get what I want. That's a video game, though. I didn't think actual humans would ever think it would be a good idea to elect a video game personality that can easily, you know, be turned off.
 
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PokerGuy

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K1052 said:
The idea that this can't be circumvented is interesting, if wrong. The money will just end up being funneled through 3rd party countries one way or another. Alternately they could simply mail the money to Mexico. This isn't going to work.
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Again, you must not be familiar with OFAC and AML type processes. Sure, you can find ways around any restrictions, but that's just not going to happen for the vast majority of people who send money back home. Circumventing of the restrictions can and does happen, but it slows it to a trickle. Sure you can mail dollars in an envelope.... but do you really think that's going to happen on the same scale as electronic transfers, especially when you probably have a 50% chance of that money you mail disappearing in the process? You're basically arguing that putting a password on your WIFI and using WPA2 doesn't work because it can be broken. Sure it can, but for all practical purposes it does what you want it to do -- make it very difficult.

This idea that everything is negotiable is starting to run in to a brick wall. Mexico hates Trump and he backed the one guy who might have done some kind of deal into a corner for no reason other than to puff up his own ego. It doesn't seem Mexico thinks this is negotiable no matter how many times Trump says it is.
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Political blustering aside, everything in reality is negotiable, the two sides simply have too much of an incentive to get it done.
 
boomerang

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sdifox

sdifox

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PokerGuy said:
Again, you must not be familiar with OFAC and AML type processes. Sure, you can find ways around any restrictions, but that's just not going to happen for the vast majority of people who send money back home. Circumventing of the restrictions can and does happen, but it slows it to a trickle. Sure you can mail dollars in an envelope.... but do you really think that's going to happen on the same scale as electronic transfers, especially when you probably have a 50% chance of that money you mail disappearing in the process? You're basically arguing that putting a password on your WIFI and using WPA2 doesn't work because it can be broken. Sure it can, but for all practical purposes it does what you want it to do -- make it very difficult.



Political blustering aside, everything in reality is negotiable, the two sides simply have too much of an incentive to get it done.
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Lulz how long do you think it takes for someone to setup shop in a third country to do fund forwarding? Or even better, copy the Muslim system. Hand over cash in home country with fee, withdrawal in destination country. No banks involved.
 
K1052

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Brainonska511

Brainonska511

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K1052 said:
I didn't say it was a good idea, just possible. I'm sure he nor anybody around him has thought through the ramifications.
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I'm sure none of them thought of the ramifications. Thought is in short supply in this administration.
 
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