How do we block people from tunneling under our new wall?

[zinfamous]

We'll put our best military minds on it.

Fixed fortifications are a monument to the stupidity of man.

- George S. Patton

Pfft. President Cheetoh is bigly smarter than those stupid generals.

 

[Vic]

You don't seem to understand what a sanctuary city is. They are not cities that are refusing to comply with federal law, they are cities who choose not to devote resources to enforcing federal laws that no state is required to enforce. Requiring a state to enforce federal law would be unconstitutional and would be thrown out instantly by the courts.

If the federal government attempted to selectively not enforce federal law in order to attack certain jurisdictions for not complying with their orders this would not only be unconstitutional but may result in criminal charges for the officials promoting that plan.

Great plan glenn! Not only would the people implementing it get slapped down by the courts, they might end up in jail for their trouble while the coastal cities laugh and laugh at you both.

It's amazing how many people, including the media, overlook this basic constitutional aspect of 'sanctuary cities.'
We are a federal republic, not a unitary state. The individual states, and their cities, are not legally required to enforce federal law.
Let's stop for a moment and consider that several of these 'sanctuary cities' also have legal marijuana and are even collecting tax revenue from the sale of marijuana, even though that is illegal at the federal level. There's a whole can of worms that Trump is trying to open and his useful idiots are ignoring.

 

[glenn1]

It's amazing how many people, including the media, overlook this basic constitutional aspect of 'sanctuary cities.'
We are a federal republic, not a unitary state. The individual states, and their cities, are not legally required to enforce federal law.
Let's stop for a moment and consider that several of these 'sanctuary cities' also have legal marijuana and even collecting tax revenue from the sale of marijuana, even though that is illegal at the federal level. There's a whole can of worms that Trump is trying to open and his useful idiots are ignoring.

Look, another immoral person who wants to keep illegals in permanent legal jeopardy with the hope of cheap labor and some eventual votes. Evidently advocating for open borders is a bridge too far for your self-interest.

 

[IronWing]

I think people get confused because the feds farm out enforcement for many programs to the states. In these cases, the states voluntarily accept the the enforcement role by passing state laws that match the federal law to be enforced and the feds usually provide funding to cover the states' enforcement costs. For example, EPA farms out Clean Water Act, Clean Air Act, and RCRA enforcement to many states. The states aren't enforcing federal law but the result is the same. This gives the states discretion in prioritizing enforcement activities.

 

[Vic]

Look, another immoral person who wants to keep illegals in permanent legal jeopardy with the hope of cheap labor and some eventual votes. Evidently advocating for open borders is a bridge too far for your self-interest.

Respecting the principle of states rights guaranteed by the Constitution makes me immoral? That's so interesting.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Pfft. President Cheetoh is bigly smarter than those stupid generals.

maybe he'll ask some of his generals then how to keep the border secure? I'm sure they have some tactical ideas on how to do it.

 

[glenn1]

Respecting the principle of states rights guaranteed by the Constitution makes me immoral? That's so interesting.

Could you screw over illegals any more if you tried? "Thanks for your cheap under the table labor, now be sure not to leave the city else the Feds might get you."

I repeat what I said, if you support "sanctuary cities" but not open borders then you're an immoral POS.

 

[brycejones]

Respecting the principle of states rights guaranteed by the Constitution makes me immoral? That's so interesting.

If it was rural areas Glenn would be losing his mind in support of them. Since cities are at issue he is all for a crackdown and federal intervention.

 

[PokerGuy]

Good luck getting other countries to abide by them.

Huh? This has absolutely zero to do with other countries, you don't need them to do anything or abide by anything. You can set rules and restrictions on transactions between the US and Mexico, and every financial institution that does business in the US has to abide by them (and that includes places like Western Union, which is used a ton to wire money to families back home).

Yes I'm sure some pro-Trump lackey who bends over for him is going to become president after he throughly embarrasses Nieto and pisses off most of Mexico. I'm not sure what world you're living in but please come join the rest of us.

Again, you're making assumptions about politics, I'm just talking about leverage. It's there, it can be used, it's just a matter of how each party is willing to use it and what steps they can take. You can already see it, the peso is tumbling with Nieto cancelling the meeting. The markets know that if something -- anything -- serious happens in terms of the trading relationship, the peso (and Mexico) are in deep trouble.

 

[Vic]

Could you screw over illegals any more if you tried? "Thanks for your cheap under the table labor, now be sure not to leave the city else the Feds might get you."

I repeat what I said, if you support "sanctuary cities" but not open borders then you're an immoral POS.

WTF are you blabbering about? I don't employ any illegals nor do I support the hiring of illegals. If you'd stop being so emotional, you might see that I'm just pointing out that this issue is far more complicated than its being made out to be. Trump is trying to expand federal powers and make the cities not only subject to federal law, but responsible for the enforcement of federal law. Our Constitutional system of government does not work that way.

 

[Homerboy]

Looks like Mexican President just cancelled meeting.
Now what, Mr. President?

 

[PokerGuy]

Looks like Mexican President just cancelled meeting.
Now what, Mr. President?

Now nothing. The peso tumbles and Trump continues doing exactly what he was doing. Cancelling the trip was a political decision, but it changes absolutely nothing.

 

[K1052]

Huh? This has absolutely zero to do with other countries, you don't need them to do anything or abide by anything. You can set rules and restrictions on transactions between the US and Mexico, and every financial institution that does business in the US has to abide by them (and that includes places like Western Union, which is used a ton to wire money to families back home).

The idea that this can't be circumvented is interesting, if wrong. The money will just end up being funneled through 3rd party countries one way or another. Alternately they could simply mail the money to Mexico. This isn't going to work.

Again, you're making assumptions about politics, I'm just talking about leverage. It's there, it can be used, it's just a matter of how each party is willing to use it and what steps they can take. You can already see it, the peso is tumbling with Nieto cancelling the meeting. The markets know that if something -- anything -- serious happens in terms of the trading relationship, the peso (and Mexico) are in deep trouble.

This idea that everything is negotiable is starting to run in to a brick wall. Mexico hates Trump and he backed the one guy who might have done some kind of deal into a corner for no reason other than to puff up his own ego. It doesn't seem Mexico thinks this is negotiable no matter how many times Trump says it is.

 

[K1052]

Now nothing. The peso tumbles and Trump continues doing exactly what he was doing. Cancelling the trip was a political decision, but it changes absolutely nothing.

In that US taxpayers will be stuck paying for this boondoggle you are correct.

 

[Homerboy]

Now nothing. The peso tumbles and Trump continues doing exactly what he was doing. Cancelling the trip was a political decision, but it changes absolutely nothing.

I'll tell you the price of our strawberries, hotel stays and restaurants are going to go through the roof.

 

[glenn1]

WTF are you blabbering about? I don't employ any illegals nor do I support the hiring of illegals. If you'd stop being so emotional, you might see that I'm just pointing out that this issue is far more complicated than its being made out to be. Trump is trying to expand federal powers and make the cities not only subject to federal law, but responsible for the enforcement of federal law. Our Constitutional system of government does not work that way.

Yet you evidently want to maintain the current system so that employers can hold the leverage of deportation over them. You get the best of both worlds, their cheap labor but not having to own the repercussions of what open borders would mean. Evidently open borders would be even too many browns for even those compassionate folks who support sanctuary cities to agree to.

I'll tell you the price of our strawberries, hotel stays and restaurants are going to go through the roof.

Yeah, acting morally sometimes costs money.

 

[Vic]

Yet you evidently want to maintain the current system so that employers can hold the leverage of deportation over them. You get the best of both worlds, their cheap labor but not having to own the repercussions of what open borders would mean. Evidently open borders would be even too many browns for even those compassionate folks who support sanctuary cities to agree to.



Yeah, acting morally sometimes costs money.

No, I want to maintain states rights. You keep on beating up that straw man..

 

[glenn1]

No, I want to maintain states rights. You keep on beating up that straw man..

I'll remember that next time a discussion about slavery comes up. Or LGBTQ discrimination. Or voting rights. Surely you're in support of Voter ID based upon your newfound commitment to states rights? Or prohibiting abortion?

 

[OrByte]

Yet you evidently want to maintain the current system so that employers can hold the leverage of deportation over them. You get the best of both worlds, their cheap labor but not having to own the repercussions of what open borders would mean. Evidently open borders would be even too many browns for even those compassionate folks who support sanctuary cities to agree to.



Yeah, acting morally sometimes costs money.

please do not pretend this is a moral issue for you.

I believe the 'terrorist crossing our borders' argument
I also believe the 'illegals need to follow the legal process' argument
But this has nothing to do with your moral code or the moral code of the GOP. You guys do not care about illegals nor the system that supports immigration to the US.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

maybe he'll ask some of his generals then how to keep the border secure? I'm sure they have some tactical ideas on how to do it.

I ask again, are you for killing, shooting, maiming people trying to enter our country illegally? Men? Women? Children? Shoot them all? Set up mine fields? That is really what your post implies.

 

[Vic]

I'll remember that next time a discussion about slavery comes up. Or LGBTQ discrimination. Or voting rights. Surely you're in support of Voter ID based upon your newfound commitment to states rights? Or prohibiting abortion?

The equal protection clause in the 14th amendment gives the feds jurisdiction on those unrelated issues.

 

[glenn1]

please do not pretend this is a moral issue for you.

I believe the 'terrorist crossing our borders' argument
I also believe the 'illegals need to follow the legal process' argument
But this has nothing to do with your moral code or the moral code of the GOP. You guys do not care about illegals nor the system that supports immigration to the US.

I'm a Libertarian and believe in open borders so it is a moral issue. And if you're not going to have open borders the immigration laws should be enforced fairly. The rule of law is a moral issue.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Yeah, acting morally sometimes costs money.

Good, we're in agreement that planned parenthood benefits from government monies. glad we could come to terms on that

 

[glenn1]

The equal protection clause in the 14th amendment gives the feds jurisdiction on those unrelated issues.

Sure thing. Enjoy your modern day slave labor in your "sanctuary city."

 

[glenn1]

Good, we're in agreement that planned parenthood benefits from government monies. glad we could come to terms on that

Was that in question? Divest the abortion business out of PP and I'll gladly support increased funding. But we both know that won't happen because abortion is the raison d'être for PP and they'd rather shut their doors and offer no services whatsoever for women than stop providing abortions.