How do Southerners view Lincoln?

[rudeguy]

As someone who was born in North (NY) but settled in the South (FL) I have one thing to say ... just let it go.

Let what go?

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

You talkin' bout the war of Northern aggression?

 

[WelshBloke]

I think northerners have a distorted view of the south.

Southerners fly the confederate flag for the same reason Canadians living in Florida fly the Canadian flag or Mexicans fly the Mexican flag etc etc...

...And Germans fly the Swastika, wait...:hmm:

 

[Newbian]

You talkin' bout the war of Northern aggression?

No.. the war of the south getting it's ass kicked.

 

[Glitchny]

I dont know how they feel about Lincoln so much, but I know they are quite bitter about the Hero of the North and the man every military strategist in war should aspire to emulate - William Tecumseh Sherman.

Maybe if the southerners would have fought harder, they could have stopped him from expressing his views on the south -

:awe:

Yea Sherman is pretty controversial. But his goal was to end the war as fast as possible, and burning a trail of destruction through the south certainly helped. I remember watching a documentary about Sherman and the southerners were using some form of landmines and he viewed it as dishonorable. So he marched Southern prisoners in front of the army, soon after the landmines were not used anymore.

 

[guyver01]

You talkin' bout the war of Northern aggression?

nope. the war where the south got it's collective panties in a bunch, then got its girly ass kicked.

 

[Newbian]

Yea Sherman is pretty controversial. But his goal was to end the war as fast as possible, and burning a trail of destruction through the south certainly helped. I remember watching a documentary about Sherman and the southerners were using some form of landmines and he viewed it as dishonorable. So he marched Southern prisoners in front of the army, soon after the landmines were not used anymore.

Wow, that is completely awesome. :biggrin:

 

[Taejin]

Yea Sherman is pretty controversial. But his goal was to end the war as fast as possible, and burning a trail of destruction through the south certainly helped. I remember watching a documentary about Sherman and the southerners were using some form of landmines and he viewed it as dishonorable. So he marched Southern prisoners in front of the army, soon after the landmines were not used anymore.

yeah, learned about that. that's what you have to do with cowards, otherwise they won't learn.. =P

 

[Binarycow]

Only in temperature. Its f-ing hot down here.

Zing!!!

 

[mizzou]

Lincoln was extremely divisive at the time, but obviously one of the most revered looking back.

I really enjoy his logs, that's what I remember him most for.

 

[pcgeek11]

My cred, my mom was born in south carolina. I grew up in South Carolina. I was actually born in Denver(my mom was a flight attendent). Lived in South Carolina most of my life.

Anyone who has read history knows some simple things. Lincoln had zero intention of outlawing slavery in existing states. He would just not allow any new states to be admitted into the union as slave owning states.

South Carolina in typical fashion went full retard anyways over this. There would have never been a need for the civil war if South Carolina didn't get all paranoid. Slavery would have eventually ended. Hell border states had just as much slavery as the south.

Lincoln did what he had to do. However, he wasn't some black loving president. He didn't view blacks as being equal nor did he free them for ethical reasons. He did it to win the war and unite the country.

EDIT: By the way, you will get vastly different answers based on education level. Once again, it has more to do with education than anything else. An uneducated redneck will just spew whatever their uneducated family told them.

Lincoln wanted to send the blacks back to Africa, but it would have cost too much. In my opinion Lincoln wasn't a great president, but there have been much worse ones: Ford, Carter, Obama to name a few. Three of the better recent presidents we have had is Clinton, Regan and G Bush Sr.

 

[pcgeek11]

...And Germans fly the Swastika, wait...:hmm:

LOL, comparing the Confederate Battle Flag to a Swastika.

You are one funny little man.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think he actually believed in equality for all men. Why would he go through such sacrifice if he didn't?

If he didn't care, he would have simply conceded and changed nothing regarding slavery.

You need to read more.

 

[Demo24]

You live in Newnan.

Lol!

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

No.. the war of the south getting it's ass kicked.

nope. the war where the south got it's collective panties in a bunch, then got its girly ass kicked.

To quote Samuel Clemens, "Sah, I was nine before I discovered God Damn Yankee wasn't one word."

 

[zinfamous]

I dont know how they feel about Lincoln so much, but I know they are quite bitter about the Hero of the North and the man every military strategist in war should aspire to emulate - William Tecumseh Sherman.

Maybe if the southerners would have fought harder, they could have stopped him from expressing his views on the south -

:awe:

I am from the South, and well, historically, I certainly don't feel any bitterness towards Sherman or any other yankee aggressors. Then again, I'm not from Georgia.

A buddy of mine, a native Iowan whose Great great grandfather was a corporal in Sherman's army, and whom wrote letters to his wife throughout the war, and she wrote back--those letters being preserved by the family and not too long ago edited and published by my buddy and has since become a relatively well-received historical document in academia--was visiting Georgia doing research for a documentary film based on his ancestor's letters.

Well, the kindly Georgian took my buddy through this particular battlefield, all regaled in confederate attire and spun many a great yearn about the glorious battles fought, and the tyranny of one Mr William Tecumseh Sherman. It was after the tour, that my buddy made his confession: "I feel that I should tell you, my ancestor fought in Sherman's army..."

Well, it was a matter of moments that the native Georgian's face turned fire red, the sweat beading on his brow, the rage barely contained within clenched fists. Needless to say, my pal high-tailed it out of there post-haste.

 

[zinfamous]

If anything, Southerners today have more reason to be pissed at Lincoln's successor(s). If Lincoln hadn't been shot by Booth, reconstruction wouldn't have left the South as broken and bitter as it was for the following decades. Southerners as a whole have come to forgive and respect Lincoln for what he was trying to do - preserve the union.

Johnson.

a North Carolinian....

....sigh.

 

[zinfamous]

My cred, my mom was born in south carolina. I grew up in South Carolina. I was actually born in Denver(my mom was a flight attendent). Lived in South Carolina most of my life.

Anyone who has read history knows some simple things. Lincoln had zero intention of outlawing slavery in existing states. He would just not allow any new states to be admitted into the union as slave owning states.

South Carolina in typical fashion went full retard anyways over this. There would have never been a need for the civil war if South Carolina didn't get all paranoid. Slavery would have eventually ended. Hell border states had just as much slavery as the south.

Lincoln did what he had to do. However, he wasn't some black loving president. He didn't view blacks as being equal nor did he free them for ethical reasons. He did it to win the war and unite the country.

EDIT: By the way, you will get vastly different answers based on education level. Once again, it has more to do with education than anything else. An uneducated redneck will just spew whatever their uneducated family told them.

likely, but probably not so quickly. bear in mind that the GDP of, I believe, VA, SC, and GA were individually larger than the entire northern states combined prior to the war. (yes, it certainly helps when cost of labor = $0). Slaves were also the most valuable commodity in the entire country at the time. There were horrible. evil, wicked things going on in these plantations, but to think that a plantation owner didn't have a reason to protect their property, their very expensive investment, is a bit naive.

The fear of completely decimating the greatest economy of the country was a very real one. This doesn't condone slavery of course; it's just important to bear in mind the consequences of suddenly turning the wealthiest part of the country into a third world state over night. And yes, people will, to this day, go to war over this kind of pressure.

 

[pcgeek11]

I am from the South, and well, historically, I certainly don't feel any bitterness towards Sherman or any other yankee aggressors. Then again, I'm not from Georgia.

A buddy of mine, a native Iowan whose Great great grandfather was a corporal in Sherman's army, and whom wrote letters to his wife throughout the war, and she wrote back--those letters being preserved by the family and not too long ago edited and published by my buddy and has since become a relatively well-received historical document in academia--was visiting Georgia doing research for a documentary film based on his ancestor's letters.

Well, the kindly Georgian took my buddy through this particular battlefield, all regaled in confederate attire and spun many a great yearn about the glorious battles fought, and the tyranny of one Mr William Tecumseh Sherman. It was after the tour, that my buddy made his confession: "I feel that I should tell you, my ancestor fought in Sherman's army..."

Well, it was a matter of moments that the native Georgian's face turned fire red, the sweat beading on his brow, the rage barely contained within clenched fists. Needless to say, my pal high-tailed it out of there post-haste.

People tend to hate you when you use a scorched earth policy against against civilian women and children. Steal all the food, rape the women, burn the fields and then leave them to starve over the winter.

 

[Ichinisan]

Lol!

I don't get it.

 

[pcgeek11]

I don't get it.

I didn't get it either. Newnan is a City in Georgia.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

People tend to hate you when you use a scorched earth policy against against civilian women and children. Steal all the food, rape the women, burn the fields and then leave them to starve over the winter.

well, that's been happening for 1000's of years, and continues today. the more civilized west stopped the practice in the 20th century.

 

[Nebor]

well, that's been happening for 1000's of years, and continues today. the more civilized west stopped the practice in the 20th century.

Around the time we stopped winning wars.

 

[The Boston Dangler]

Around the time we stopped winning wars.

around the time we stopped fighting wars against comparable forces

 

[eits]

My cred, my mom was born in south carolina. I grew up in South Carolina. I was actually born in Denver(my mom was a flight attendent). Lived in South Carolina most of my life.

Anyone who has read history knows some simple things. Lincoln had zero intention of outlawing slavery in existing states. He would just not allow any new states to be admitted into the union as slave owning states.

South Carolina in typical fashion went full retard anyways over this. There would have never been a need for the civil war if South Carolina didn't get all paranoid. Slavery would have eventually ended. Hell border states had just as much slavery as the south.

Lincoln did what he had to do. However, he wasn't some black loving president. He didn't view blacks as being equal nor did he free them for ethical reasons. He did it to win the war and unite the country.

EDIT: By the way, you will get vastly different answers based on education level. Once again, it has more to do with education than anything else. An uneducated redneck will just spew whatever their uneducated family told them.

Lincoln only created the emancipation proclamation to screw the south out of money. The south was a big exporter of cotton to the English and by passing the emancipation proclamation, he forced the English to buy cotton from the Egyptians. It wasn't meant to free slaves. Lincoln was a utilitarian and only went for an abolitionist path because most Americans were against slavery. His personal feelings towards blacks were indifferent.