how do people get away with abusing welfare/govnt insurance?

[Locut0s]

I know a lot of people claim unemployment/disability and then work a job while getting paid under the table.

Aren't you allowed to earn a small amount of money while still collecting unemployment? That is, up to the amount unemployment would pay you, then the rest would be supplemented by unemployment. I believe something like this is allowed here, maybe it's not for unemployment but something similar.

 

[paperfist]

Section 8 isn't about helping poor people. It is a welfare program for property owners. Got a rental unit that you can't move in the down market? Go Section 8! Govt guaranteed money in your pocket and the tenants are used to shitty accommodations so don't sweat maintenance costs.

Section 8 landlords get inspected all the time. Have a crack in the ceiling? Better fix it or loose it.

What's sick is the amount of money they fork over for 'poor' people on section 8. $800 w/o utilities? No sweat, we'll cover it.

 

[Leros]

Aren't you allowed to earn a small amount of money while still collecting unemployment? That is, up to the amount unemployment would pay you, then the rest would be supplemented by unemployment. I believe something like this is allowed here, maybe it's not for unemployment but something similar.

Yeah, but there are people working normal jobs collecting unemployment as a bonus.

 

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[alkemyst]

even worse is when they use their EBT card and withdraw cash at the casinos
using taxpayers free money to gamble it... awesome.

I am in Denver and the strip clubs are now not allowing those cards to be used on premises.

Also how health care is exploited is showing up with a kid and 'pretending' not to speak english. You get a translator and basically tell them your kid is legal, but you aren't working and staying at half way houses/etc.

I don't know all the details...but the end result is your kid(s) get put on medicaid and sometimes you as well.

When I interned with pharmacies I saw a lot of this as I had to load up luxury SUVs full of formula, diapers, and other crap only to see the same people the very next week.

Stories were their roommates stole their stuff, or they lost it...room flooded, kids destroyed the items, etc.

If you rolled down to our local flea markets these items were very popular being sold for next to nothing.

Another thing that is still going on big here is stores cashing out food stamps for 10-50cents on the dollar. I don't know how the racket works, but about 100 convenience stores have been shut down over the last couple years, one sting netted 40 stores at once and something like an estimated $2,000,000 in fraud.

 

[DCal430]

I hope you people know a lot of section 8 housing is for elderly only. It is a life saver for these people on fixed income.

 

[paperfist]

I hope you people know a lot of section 8 housing is for elderly only. It is a life saver for these people on fixed income.

I don't think anyone here is knocking people who actually need assistance, but more or less abusers of the system. Anyway I don't know about statistically but HUD says:

"Housing Choice Voucher Program Section 8


Housing Choice Vouchers Fact Sheet

What are housing choice vouchers?
The housing choice voucher program is the federal government's major program for assisting very low-income families, the elderly, and the disabled to afford decent, safe, and sanitary housing in the private market. Since housing assistance is provided on behalf of the family or individual, participants are able to find their own housing, including single-family homes, townhouses and apartments.

The participant is free to choose any housing that meets the requirements of the program and is not limited to units located in subsidized housing projects.

Housing choice vouchers are administered locally by public housing agencies (PHAs). The PHAs receive federal funds from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to administer the voucher program.

A family that is issued a housing voucher is responsible for finding a suitable housing unit of the family's choice where the owner agrees to rent under the program. This unit may include the family's present residence. Rental units must meet minimum standards of health and safety, as determined by the PHA.

A housing subsidy is paid to the landlord directly by the PHA on behalf of the participating family. The family then pays the difference between the actual rent charged by the landlord and the amount subsidized by the program. Under certain circumstances, if authorized by the PHA, a family may use its voucher to purchase a modest home.

The housing voucher family must pay 30% of its monthly adjusted gross income for rent and utilities, and if the unit rent is greater than the payment standard the family is required to pay the additional amount. By law, whenever a family moves to a new unit where the rent exceeds the payment standard, the family may not pay more than 40 percent of its adjusted monthly income for rent."

 

[DCal430]

I don't think anyone here is knocking people who actually need assistance, but more or less abusers of the system. Anyway I don't know about statistically but HUD says:

"Housing Choice Voucher Program Section 8


Housing Choice Vouchers Fact Sheet

What are housing choice vouchers?
The housing choice voucher program is the federal government's major program for assisting very low-income families, the elderly, and the disabled to afford decent, safe, and sanitary housing in the private market. Since housing assistance is provided on behalf of the family or individual, participants are able to find their own housing, including single-family homes, townhouses and apartments.

The participant is free to choose any housing that meets the requirements of the program and is not limited to units located in subsidized housing projects.

Housing choice vouchers are administered locally by public housing agencies (PHAs). The PHAs receive federal funds from the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) to administer the voucher program.

A family that is issued a housing voucher is responsible for finding a suitable housing unit of the family's choice where the owner agrees to rent under the program. This unit may include the family's present residence. Rental units must meet minimum standards of health and safety, as determined by the PHA.

A housing subsidy is paid to the landlord directly by the PHA on behalf of the participating family. The family then pays the difference between the actual rent charged by the landlord and the amount subsidized by the program. Under certain circumstances, if authorized by the PHA, a family may use its voucher to purchase a modest home.

The housing voucher family must pay 30% of its monthly adjusted gross income for rent and utilities, and if the unit rent is greater than the payment standard the family is required to pay the additional amount. By law, whenever a family moves to a new unit where the rent exceeds the payment standard, the family may not pay more than 40 percent of its adjusted monthly income for rent."

Yes some places allow any one on section 8, ans some are specifically for elderly and some some specifically for disabled Leopold. These type of section 8 are clean and free of crime. Even most family style section 8 places are clean and with not too much crime.

 

[exdeath]

Section 8 laws prohibit "surprise" inspections. They are given ample notice of pending inspections.

Also, what do you drive that's better than a 2009 C300?

Take video of her hiding her shit and report her for fraud.

Are you seriously asking if there is anything better than a $20,000 budget Mercedes? Go search Garage, I'm not going to epeen up OT.

Someone hiding things during Section 8 inspections and pretending to be a baller in a Mercedes of any kind, a low end cheap one or not, is someone comitting fraud to live beyond their means and openly flauting it.

I'd have no moral issues turning someone like that in at any cost; it's the poster child for everything gone wrong in this country.

 

[sactoking]

We have family friends who don't legally abuse the system but they do ethically abuse the system. The mom is lazy and wants everything handed to her on a platter. She had several jobs, some of which paid well, but quit every one because she had to work too hard. Once they had their first kid she stopped working. Her husband makes like $16/hr as an airplane mechanic. Once the first kid was born they went on WIC. They had a second kid recently so they could qualify for welfare, so now they're on welfare, WIC, and Medicaid. They want to have 3 more kids. Thanks to the child credits and EIC they paid $0 in taxes this year and got about $3500 in refundable credits. They're using their $6000 refund check to splurge on ipads and new phones and new tvs and whatnot.

 

[airdata]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a lady at tom thumb using her food stamp card to get a pack of gum and then cash back.

 

[Modelworks]

Yes some places allow any one on section 8, ans some are specifically for elderly and some some specifically for disabled Leopold. These type of section 8 are clean and free of crime. Even most family style section 8 places are clean and with not too much crime.

HUD is pretty strict on section 8 housing. HUD does a yearly inspection and all the apartments must submit to an inspection every 3 months. My sister is disabled and stays in one. They come in every 3 months inspect everything from the closets to the cleanliness of the ovens. You get graded on the inspection and anything not right has to be fixed within 7 days. You can also get evicted if you get a drug or alcohol charge so it is pretty well run. She likes it and says it is as quiet as a library. She receives 625.00 disability and out of that pays $155 rent, after she pays utilities and medical cost she is left with about $225 a month for food and other expenses. Whenever I see someone say that people are living great on disability I laugh because most couldn't live with just $50 a week for food and clothing, etc.

 

[Modelworks]

I'm pretty sure I've seen a lady at tom thumb using her food stamp card to get a pack of gum and then cash back.

It is illegal to give cash in exchange for money on the food stamp program, always has been , even when they were actual stamps.

 

[Modelworks]

Once the first kid was born they went on WIC. They had a second kid recently so they could qualify for welfare, so now they're on welfare, WIC, and Medicaid. They want to have 3 more kids.

WIC I have no problems with and is how I think food stamps as a whole should be done. WIC only allows people to purchase items that are on the approved list, milk, cheese, flour,cereal, etc. With WIC they can't go buy the most expensive cut of beef like they can with food stamps.

There are a lot of people that use kids to abuse the system, it is a huge problem for society because you don't want kids to go hungry but you also don't want to have to take the kids away from their parents.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

We have family friends who don't legally abuse the system but they do ethically abuse the system. The mom is lazy and wants everything handed to her on a platter. She had several jobs, some of which paid well, but quit every one because she had to work too hard. Once they had their first kid she stopped working. Her husband makes like $16/hr as an airplane mechanic. Once the first kid was born they went on WIC. They had a second kid recently so they could qualify for welfare, so now they're on welfare, WIC, and Medicaid. They want to have 3 more kids. Thanks to the child credits and EIC they paid $0 in taxes this year and got about $3500 in refundable credits. They're using their $6000 refund check to splurge on ipads and new phones and new tvs and whatnot.

I'm in a similar situation, making a little less and get back a little more. We have no money because the wife and I are getting graduate degrees.

I don't use WIC though. The reason is that you have to both be poor and show that you are in dietary need and/or improved nutrition need. Turns out that I know how the fuck to feed my family and I re-fucking-fuse to sign a paper saying "I don't understand nutrition: FREE MONEY".

My point is that society has determined that 20k/y just isn't enough to raise thee kids on and so I get a few hundred in food-stamps and a check for 5k every year from "taxes". If it wasn't for this assistance I would go get a job for 60k/y and support my family and my wife and I wouldn't get our graduate degrees.

As is, about three years from now I'll be earning 120k as a professor and my wife will be a special-ed teacher working with autistic kids; she'll probably make enough that I get to bring home 120k/y.

I like to think society is making an investment in me and I'm happy to make that investment back when my family's making good money.

 

[alkemyst]

It's going to be funny in three years when you aren't making $120k

 

[Dr. Zaus]

It's going to be funny in three years when you aren't making $120k

I, too, will lawlz at that Alke.

 

[dave_the_nerd]

Its easy to abuse the system if your income is unreported, i.e., getting paid under the table, dealing narcotics, etc..

Some native american tribe members get income from the tribe that's not part of an individuals taxable income (so it doesn't count against welfare eligibility.)

FWIW.

I don't have a big problem with people making money off the books. It's a time-honored tradition. Everything from tip income to selling fishing lures on craigslist.

Dealing hard drugs? Well, fuck you for killing your neighbors. But good luck living the life while you can. (Drive safe. I'm betting your C300 isn't insured. And that's just the tip of the iceberg as far as stupid financial decisions drug dealers make.)

 

[dave_the_nerd]

We have family friends who don't legally abuse the system but they do ethically abuse the system. The mom is lazy and wants everything handed to her on a platter. She had several jobs, some of which paid well, but quit every one because she had to work too hard. Once they had their first kid she stopped working. Her husband makes like $16/hr as an airplane mechanic. Once the first kid was born they went on WIC. They had a second kid recently so they could qualify for welfare, so now they're on welfare, WIC, and Medicaid. They want to have 3 more kids. Thanks to the child credits and EIC they paid $0 in taxes this year and got about $3500 in refundable credits. They're using their $6000 refund check to splurge on ipads and new phones and new tvs and whatnot.

Really? Heh.

http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-stupidest-habits-you-develop-growing-up-poor/

 

[HardcoreRobot]

giving money is just asking for fraud

the proof is all over the place

there is a need for welfare programs, but they should be very unappealing and used as a last resort. that is not the current state of affairs. i dont know how these people live withselves, but i suppose entitlements breed entitlement mentality so its probably all very strongly justified to them.

 

[sactoking]

I'm in a similar situation, making a little less and get back a little more. We have no money because the wife and I are getting graduate degrees.

I don't use WIC though. The reason is that you have to both be poor and show that you are in dietary need and/or improved nutrition need. Turns out that I know how the fuck to feed my family and I re-fucking-fuse to sign a paper saying "I don't understand nutrition: FREE MONEY".

My point is that society has determined that 20k/y just isn't enough to raise thee kids on and so I get a few hundred in food-stamps and a check for 5k every year from "taxes". If it wasn't for this assistance I would go get a job for 60k/y and support my family and my wife and I wouldn't get our graduate degrees.

As is, about three years from now I'll be earning 120k as a professor and my wife will be a special-ed teacher working with autistic kids; she'll probably make enough that I get to bring home 120k/y.

I like to think society is making an investment in me and I'm happy to make that investment back when my family's making good money.

Ahh, but you're in that situation because you're working on improving yourself, so you anticipate it being temporary. My friends are in that situation because the wife is lazy and doesn't want to work. The only time she puts effort into anything is when it comes to getting something for nothing.

She sat down and did the math and figured that with WIC, welfare, medicaid, the EIC, the child credit, the elimination of her hundband's tax liability, her free time, and not paying for daycare she "makes" more in safety net payments then she would working a real job. Add in the fact that medicaid pretty much pays for them to have kids and they know if they keep squirting out kids they can't support they'll get more in WIC, welfare, EIC, child credit, dependent exemptions, etc.

 

[alkemyst]

I, too, will lawlz at that Alke.

Personally, I'd build yourself up a bit then prior to going for that $120k deal...I don't know of any professor that got $120k off the bat. I will say when you go for a position like that being on any kind of welfare is a bad thing...having no employment is a bad thing.

While getting $120k a year as a PhD or with experience in a good field not an impossible thing, it's a very hard thing to do as a first job in the field.

I have known a lot of lawyers and doctors and PhD types thinking they'd be making 120, 150, 250k a year their first year out.

In their first five, many probably didn't hit any of those in total compensation. Some nailed those numbers to the floor and crushed them...they were rare though.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Personally, I'd build yourself up a bit then prior to going for that $120k deal...I don't know of any professor that got $120k off the bat.

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Have a look at the average starting salary for new doctorates.

Height of the recession and we're knocking out six figures to start.

 

[alkemyst]

I see MEAN scores. Also new doctorate <> to fresh graduate at doctorate level.

You are competing with BS/BA's with 10+ years under their belt.

Also that document used silly page numbering. WTF? Some other soon to be doctorate fluffing numbers and adding in complexity?