how do people get away with abusing welfare/govnt insurance?

[Locut0s]

This is an irrational argument.

an I pad is only $400 a knock off Rolex is less than $100 and a used BMW or Mercedes can be had for less than $9,500k.

If someone doesn't smoke or eat out and saves that money collecting $10k over a period of 3 years isn't exactly a hard thing to do. Hell, just dropping meat out of your diet and focusing on beans can save that much for a family of 4 in a 3 year period.


My point is that being poor enough to qualify doesn't keep someone from being able to save the money it takes to purchase a durable good.


oh, and this.

My father worked as a welfare worker for many years, more than 10. He saw a lot of abuse but he also saw a lot of good people who needed help. Many of these people had serious emotional problems and had trouble holding down a job. Everyone loves to hate welfare but few people are willing to champion its benefits.

 

[exdeath]

I've seen my share of Escalades in chrome spinners pulling into DES parking lots. I've seen people turn down $50 a paycheck for the best health plan in the state because their spouse/partner frauds the system for free care, meanwhile they have gold rims and bumping stereo systems and a 24 pack of Bud Light in the back seat of their beater cars. I've known people who refuse the put in an application at a fast food joint with a sign on the window "help wanted $12/hr" because "they can't work" and spend 10+ years of their life going to the doctor with every pain and disability under the sun until they finally get a socialist judge to side with them and give them their $500 a month check from the government.

I've also seen my share of honest good down on their luck people who couldn't qualify for any of these programs.

Why do you think people in camp Obama cater to poor and minorities and people with momma baby daddy drama with Robinhood speeches? All you need is 51% of the people who want what the other 49% have and it's game-set-match.

If you don't support it, you just abuse the tax system and smile knowing you personally are not having to pay for any of that shit. You can donate old "$2000" computers as easily as the government can buy "$2000" toilet seats. You even have the receipts 🙂

 

[amdhunter]

<defending those on section 8>

The lady in my building hides her TV + Furniture in another neighbors apartment, and parks her car in a garage whenever the Section 8 inspector comes over.

Not only that, she can bitch about ANYTHING in her apartment and it's fixed right away, while the people who pay real rent have to wait days or weeks to get something fixed.

Fucking lady went from an IS250 to a new C300, and pays about $100 in rent. The car isn't in her name, but it's her car. She also leaves her children in the hallways to scream and roam all day and night. Someone finally got fed up at this and called the police on her, but it started up again a few days later.

People abuse Section 8, and know how to hide it, even if they are reported.

 

[exdeath]

So why don't you turn her in and report her for fraud and get her a surprise inspection right as shes pulling up in her Benz (if you can call a C300 a "Benz" lulz).

These socialist asshats want class warfare? Take the gloves off and give it to them with a nuclear warhead straight to the face. Get her shit taken away and have her sent to jail.

Because of people like her there are people who can't save up to buy a house because they jump tax brackets and are suddently considered evil and rich if they try to work more and get ahead.

 

[boomhower]

My father worked as a welfare worker for many years, more than 10. He saw a lot of abuse but he also saw a lot of good people who needed help. Many of these people had serious emotional problems and had trouble holding down a job. Everyone loves to hate welfare but few people are willing to champion its benefits.

It's a system that is needed but more oversite is desperately needed. When you go the projects and the car has $5k rims, their grilling inch thick steaks, drinking name brand liquor, has a freezer full of quality meat, watching a 55" flatscreen, and the list goes on. Abuse is well beyond rampant. Tons of good people down on their luck or those with true disabilities use it for what's it's meant to be. As you mentioned many who do need it can't get it. Take me for instance. Last year my wife injured her back. She was in school and didn't have any insurance. To put her on mine was impossible, $800 a month because all they offer is a family plan, no spouse only option.(mine is free) But evidently my low-mid $30k salary plus her small part time job for a family of four was to much money to get Medicaid. We spent our entire savings plus maxed several cards trying to get her help. No one would do anything but give her pain meds. She was on two different kinds of morphine(instant and extended release) and bed ridden as the pain was so bad she had to use a walker to go to the bathroom. I ended up finding a teaching hospital several ours away. Took her there to the ER and she was on an operating table in less than 12 hours, that's how bad it was. The hospital was wonderful and we had no out of pocket expenses from them. I ended up selling our house(well already were in a mobile home at this point) to pay off all the bills and moving in the with inlaws to start over. It is what it is and we are closing on our new house later this month.

Reform is something that needs to be done. Anyone that says it isn't because of politicians not wanting to lose votes is just delusional. I don't think most are adding to get votes but I do believe they don't want to reform to keep from losing them.

 

[szechuanpork]

don't forget the doctors...

http://www.csmonitor.com/Business/Donald-Marron/2011/0123/Do-some-doctors-abuse-health-care-system

...Fernandopulle told me about a woman who had seen a cardiologist for chest pain two decades ago, when she was in her twenties. It was the result of a temporary, inflammatory condition, but he continued to have her see him for an examination and an electrocardiogram every three months, and a cardiac ultrasound every year. The results were always normal. After the clinic doctors advised her to stop, the cardiologist called her at home to say that her health was at risk if she didn’t keep seeing him. She went back...

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Failing to troll, which is unusual...

First. Fuck section 8. It's the cause of many of our social ills.

She also leaves her children in the hallways to scream and roam all day and night. Someone finally got fed up at this and called the police on her, but it started up again a few days later.

Drug-addicts that sell drugs... great people; remind me of mom.

 

[amdhunter]

So why don't you turn her in and report her for fraud and get her a surprise inspection right as shes pulling up in her Benz (if you can call a C300 a "Benz" lulz).

Section 8 laws prohibit "surprise" inspections. They are given ample notice of pending inspections.

Also, what do you drive that's better than a 2009 C300?

 

[Vic Vega]

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[NetGuySC]

I know of one co-worker who is laid off drawing unemployment right now and getting paid under the table to work at a part time job. I also know several people (former co-workers) who did the same when they were laid off from my previous job (plant closing). It does happen.

Hell I know a person on disability that make money under the table as a mechanic in his own garage.

 

[her209]

I've seen patients using medi-caid with ipads, rolexes, and driving bmw's and mercedes. Is it that easy to abuse the system?

Its easy to abuse the system if your income is unreported, i.e., getting paid under the table, dealing narcotics, etc..

 

[Dedpuhl]

The lady in my building hides her TV + Furniture in another neighbors apartment, and parks her car in a garage whenever the Section 8 inspector comes over.

I was about to post this. My high school/college job was at a grocery store, and I could see the abuse. Over those 8 years I learned that:

1. People that abused the welfare system were very proud of it and feel they earned that money. You could tell the ones that were on it because they had no other choice.
2. For the most part, they ate better and had better clothes/vehicles/toys than my family/friends.
3. Many of the women had live-in boyfriends that would disappear prior to inspections.
4. Like amdhunter said, they would hide everything expensive prior to inspections so that they appeared to be dirt poor.
5. The same people were on welfare/food stamps the entire time I worked there.

 

[JEDI]

Short answer is abuse is so rampant way more get away with it than get caught. Where I work they are charging them but there are only a couple enforcement agents with thousands getting benefits. They are trying. When my father in law applied for disability they sent someone to try and spy on him who he proceeded to chase out of the yard with a shotgun.(He actually has a degenerative back disease.) With my line of work I see it literally everyday. The abuse is rampant and massive changes will have to take effect for it to change.

The truth of the situation most of the population would rather put these folks in the projects and give them a check than deal with them out robbing and stealing more than what they are now. Not to mention the cost of additional prisons and assorted other costs, it's just plain cheaper to pay them.

dumb question but what do u mean by abusing the system?
income is unreported (i.e., getting paid under the table) thus qualify for unemployment and welfare?

there's a 99week max for unemployment. (less now-a-days since the unemployment rate went down )
and isnt there like a 5yr limit on welfare that Pres CLinton signed into law?

how do people abuse the system for a lifetime and for generations?

 

[Texashiker]

I've seen patients using medi-caid with ipads, rolexes, and driving bmw's and mercedes. Is it that easy to abuse the system?

Why abuse the system, when they can get medicaid transportation for free?

Drive your own car to the doctors appointment, and medicaid pays you 55 cents a mile.

 

[jpeyton]

What's sad is that most of the people in this thread think poor people on welfare are the biggest crooks in our country. In reality, the small percentage of people who abuse social services are just nickle-and-dimers.

White collar crime is where the money is at. Madoff pulled off $65 billion in fraud, and he's just one old white dude.

 

[boomhower]

dumb question but what do u mean by abusing the system?
income is unreported (i.e., getting paid under the table) thus qualify for unemployment and welfare?

there's a 99week max for unemployment. (less now-a-days since the unemployment rate went down )
and isnt there like a 5yr limit on welfare that Pres CLinton signed into law?

how do people abuse the system for a lifetime and for generations?

I'm not talking about unemployment, it's the straightest one out of the bunch. It's the disability system. If you can run from me your not to disabled to work. There is no way every 20-25 year old I deal with is legitimately disabled. Granted I don't work with upper echelon of the population, but damn, everyone is disabled and gets a check/medicaid. Obviously there is some issues with the medical services as well. Things people get checks for just blow my mind. I've seen women that are getting SSI for 2 year olds with ADD. I mean come on really? It's a busted that needs redone from the ground up.

What burns me up the most is all the people that are getting it that have never paid a cent into the system. No apparent physical ailments. It's always a story. When you have tons of folks collecting that never paid it's a broken system. I have no problem with people that are really disabled, I run into people that should be on it that can't it way more than I should. I don't have the answer and nothing will be done anyways but this country is going to buckle under the pressure of the entitlement programs. The county I work in already is. Layoffs and pay cuts have went on for the last couple years. The state is already threatening to come in and take over. They simply don't have enough cash to cover the Social Services bills.

 

[JEDI]

I'm not talking about unemployment, it's the straightest one out of the bunch. It's the disability system. If you can run from me your not to disabled to work. There is no way every 20-25 year old I deal with is legitimately disabled. Granted I don't work with upper echelon of the population, but damn, everyone is disabled and gets a check/medicaid. Obviously there is some issues with the medical services as well. Things people get checks for just blow my mind. I've seen women that are getting SSI for 2 year olds with ADD. I mean come on really? It's a busted that needs redone from the ground up.

ahh.... disability!!!

how much does disability pay?
how much is SSI for a 2yr old?

and does that mean anyone w/ADD can get SSI?!

 

[nanette1985]

I was hoping for more useful information about how to abuse the system. I'm on SSI/SSDI because I had a couple of strokes after working as a programmer for 50 years. I don't even get Medicade because my income from SSI/SSDI is too high to meet NJ's requirements. I can't even get a free pen from the SS or the Social Services office. Gotta bring my own and that gets stolen by the security guard

 

[MovingTarget]

Easy, they hire lobbyists to ensure the law allows their activities. Duh.

Welfare isn't just for those at the bottom of the wealth scales...

 

[Leros]

Have any actual evidence?

I worked a couple of manual labor jobs in high school. One job was a yard maintenance company and the other was at a manufacturing plant. The workers were mostly lower class and fairly scummy. To give you an idea, almost everybody had been to jail at least once and about half were convicted felons.

These guys used to brag about how they were getting welfare and unemployment. They way they talked about, it seemed like it was normal way of doing things.

I've also heard a bunch of second hand stories about it.

 

[Leros]

I've seen my share of Escalades in chrome spinners pulling into DES parking lots.

That reminds me of a low income housing area I used to drive past. They were basically small duplexes. About half the cars in the parking lot were fairly new and decked out with all sorts of add-ons. Always annoyed me.

 

[Sonikku]

What's sad is that most of the people in this thread think poor people on welfare are the biggest crooks in our country. In reality, the small percentage of people who abuse social services are just nickle-and-dimers.

White collar crime is where the money is at. Madoff pulled off $65 billion in fraud, and he's just one old white dude.

But how else are we going to distract people from the millonare/billionare bankers bleeding the country try? Some people are just too big to jail...

 

[ModerateRepZero]

ahh.... disability!!!

how much does disability pay?
how much is SSI for a 2yr old?

and does that mean anyone w/ADD can get SSI?!

1) Social Security Disability benefit amount is based on the wage-earner's unreduced benefit amount.

2) SSI payments depend on (for simplicity's sake) the applicant's living arrangement, and any deemable income. for children, a common example would be parent(s).

3) No; different considerations for children than for adults; but same rules.

 

[jingramm]

even worse is when they use their EBT card and withdraw cash at the casinos
using taxpayers free money to gamble it... awesome.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Lots of people on welfare, not as many people working for the government.