How did Apple succeed in Tablets (ie: iPad) when everyone else failed miserably?

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alkemyst

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Stop with your personal attacks. Are you even capable of clicking submit without including a personal attack or belittlement of some kind?

It wasn't really a personal attack...it's showing you are out of your element.



While I'm working, I walk around a massive lab as an engineering tech testing CPUs that aren't on the market yet.

I don't have time for phone calls and email.

drone. Again, out of your element. That guy on an assembly line doesn't need a phone either.

My phone calls and email are business and why I can often just work from home.



If I'm walking into a restaurant, I don't give two shits who sees me with a laptop. If I'm taking my laptop into a restaurant, I'm going to accept that I need X-amount of space to place it to work. Tables at restaurants are more than adequate to hold my coffee and doughnut while I work. At least I don't have to hunch over the table to use my laptop because it doesn't lay flat and I don't need to buy ANOTHER product to hold the laptop in a position that I can sit comfortably to use it.

I have no doubt that you don't care the commotion you cause in a restaurant. You are uncouth.

I didn't know one calls coffee and a donut a restaurant either....wow.

Again you fail to understand the marketplace and need.

with my iPad I can reset a server in all of 20 seconds start to stop. No bag, no adapter, no wondering if it's charged recently.

You keep thinking the iPad is a laptop replacement, that's the problem.

What does "going haywire" have to do with anything? Such a technical term, I don't know where to start!! I must admit, you have me there. iPads never "go haywire" and laptops are ALWAYS doing that! Stupid, stupid laptops. I hate them! :rolleyes:

Lastly, it doesn't take but a touch of a button to recover from sleep mode and it's pretty damn quick. If you're going to use the "it boots 2 seconds faster!" nonsense as a legitimate argument, nobody's going to take you seriously.

I rarely use my laptop though...so if I leave it in sleep chances are it's dead when I need it.



See? More belittlement. Grow up.

Yeah, you need to take it easier on yourself. Stick focused on six...you do better fighting girls.
 

Nik

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I'm not even going to bother reading your post since you can't have a civil conversation without personal attacks and insults.
 

alkemyst

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lol @ nik gettin owned in this thread.

he must think that all tablets are overpriced and that the tablet market shouldn't exist, since he thinks the ipad isn't worth it and it is on the cheaper side of tablets.

His problem is he thinks the iPad is a laptop computer.
 

Nik

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His problem is he thinks the iPad is a laptop computer.

You haven't even read the thread. I don't know how you came to that conclusion.

In fact, come to think of it, the only way you could have come to that conclusion is by intentionally ignoring the things I've said that contradict that conclusion. The only reason I can think of that you'd do so is malicious and intentionally antagonistic.
 
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Redfraggle

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A million times better? Puhlease. There are areas where iOS comes out ahead and where Android comes out a head. Neither is a million times better than the other. I'd like to see you point that out in an AnandTech review (I do read Anand's review, thank you).

And Engadget, they're the biggest Apple fanboys in the techworld that does have Mac or Apple in its site name.

As for Honeycomb, most reviews I've seen say that the software is "beta" at best and that it was rushed to get out there to compete with the iPad 2.

From Anand:

Engadget has a new editor, and he will hopefully be a bit more balanced. I love my Apple products, but that doesn't mean they are always the best and I like to hear about both sides.
 

exdeath

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Apple succeeded because everybody else is still trying to make a laptop/PC without a keyboard, not a pad/tablet.
 
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senseamp

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I guess I am with Nik on this. I just don't see myself carrying an iPad around with me, and if I am going to carry a backpack, then I'll just bring a laptop along. For my job I can't do any work on a tablet, my laptop is same 1920x1200 as my office workstation, 1:1 VNC. If you can get work done on a tablet and don't mind carrying it, kudos to you. I only use my Nook CM7 on the couch when I am watching TV or in bed before I go to sleep. And Nook is pretty portable as far as tablets go.
 

Capt Caveman

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Yes, $800 for a keyboardless awkward one-handed no mouse/keybard that can't even play flash only because Steve Jobs is losing his freaking mind and is so full of himself that he'd rather take some personal bullshit way too far, crippling his product and therefor intentionally doing something that would hurt business and the company.

Fuck Steve. When he's gone, I bet Apple will calm the hell down and they'll stop being retards within a couple years.

If you're going to debate, stop making-up numbers. Just recently you could get a first generation iPad 16g for $299. New dualcore iPad 2 start at $499. Maybe, you'd rather use a laptop for non-productive uses(reading books, magazines, playing games, surfing, etc) but if I'm laying on couch, at a coffee shop or on subway. I'll take a tablet any day. Flash is a pretty lame argument also. Sites that use flash will have an app available to stream video, etc.

And you won't find any laptop that can match the battery life, unless you want to spend the money and lug a bunch of batteries. But then you'd be forced to shut-down your laptop to switch batteries.

It may not be useful to someone that finds dumb phones still adequate for their needs but many people want more convenient access to media and the internet.

Oh and the only retards are the companies that didn't think of a tablet for the masses before Apple. The iPad is one of Apple's most profitable products. Only a retard would think it would be a smart thing for Apple to get rid of it.
 

Nik

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If you're going to debate, stop making-up numbers. Just recently you could get a first generation iPad 16g for $299. New dualcore iPad 2 start at $499. Maybe, you'd rather use a laptop for non-productive uses(reading books, magazines, playing games, surfing, etc) but if I'm laying on couch, at a coffee shop or on subway. I'll take a tablet any day. Flash is a pretty lame argument also. Sites that use flash will have an app available to stream video, etc.

And you won't find any laptop that can match the battery life, unless you want to spend the money and lug a bunch of batteries. But then you'd be forced to shut-down your laptop to switch batteries.

It may not be useful to someone that finds dumb phones still adequate for their needs but many people want more convenient access to media and the internet.

Oh and the only retards are the companies that didn't think of a tablet for the masses before Apple. The iPad is one of Apple's most profitable products. Only a retard would think it would be a smart thing for Apple to get rid of it.

I don't see how I'm making up any numbers when you're quoting the base price right in the middle of the range I described. Jesus christ, do you expect me to quote dollars and cents and would you hop all over that issue if I were one cent off? Give me a break. :rolleyes:
 

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I like the idea of the iPhone, I like everything it can do. I want one, but I'm just fine with my archaic flip phone that can't browse the web.

I don't know why anyone would buy an iPad in that price range when they can get a much more practical product (even for cheaper) that'll out perform it. I guess the iPad is for sissy nancy boys who can't carry a big heavy 2lb laptop or something. ;)

I own a $2000 Macbook Air, $700 iPhone 4, and I'm getting a $700 iPad 2...

to read Magazines, E-Books, browse casually. That's about it.

The fact that you can't comprehend why I would spend this much money for such a specific purpose is probably because those uses are not worth it to you, or you are just poor.

Can I read a magazine on my Macbook Air? Yes, but not comfortably. It can do many other things that an iPad 2 can not, but the iPad 2's form factor and interface makes many other things a laptop *can* do actually desirable to do on.
 
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dwell

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can't even play flash only because Steve Jobs is losing his freaking mind and is so full of himself that he'd rather take some personal bullshit way too far, crippling his product and therefor intentionally doing something that would hurt business and the company.

Not having Flash enhances the product, it doesn't cripple it. All the major sites will drop Flash before Jobs dies, it's already started happening.
 

Pliablemoose

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http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29278855&postcount=234

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01-27-2010, 07:09 PM

LULZ @ the haters...

I don't know how many of youall have tried to use a full blown OS on a tablet, but I have, it's a massive PITA, and frankly won't be a realistic expectation of a tablet for another few years. I nabbed a Dell XT refurb, dual core, maxed out the ram, put on W7 and tried to use it.

What a massive POS, it was fucking miserable. Maybe with a Quad core processor, a significant improvement in battery life, significantly better GPU, on and on and on... it was one of the few tech toys I've used in the last few years I wanted to slam into a wall because it pissed me off so much...

I also have a Dell Mini 9 that I've used a lot, for ~$600 after all the mods, it works pretty well, I tether it with my cell wirelessly, but it's awkward to carry around, and I need a flat surface to put it on to use it effectively.

For $499, I can tether the Apple iPad too, and frankly for my uses it's gonna kick ass, I already have a bag I carry to work, and the iPad will fit in with more than enough room to spare.

The apps for this thing are barely out of the oven, look at what 2 years has done for the iPhone & the iPod Touch apps, there's some stuff out there that's slick as whale shit.

Apple will sell the shit out of this thing, kids are gonna get instead of a DS or a PSP, and their parents will buy them because it doubles as an e-reader.

While the average ATOTer wants more, this is what people will use. Hell, I want a full blown OS on a tablet, but it just isn't going to happen folks, tablets are a whole new ball game.


I love threads like this. I suspected that the iPad would be a disruptive device, and made more than $100K on Apple stock...

Since it's a Sunday, if you want to waste some time, take a look at the first major thread about the iPad: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2045588&highlight=ipad

There's some serious ownage in that thread.

Apple managed to be in the perfect position to make the iPad a success, It's a year later and still doesn't have a serious competitor yet.

The unanswered question is if it will continue to dominate the sector like the iPod has killed MP3 players or if other devices will have a serious shot at dethroning it.

What Apple did right was:

1.) The OS, they had a refined OS to use from the iPhone/iPod Touch

2.) Battery life, 11 hours or so of battery life in current generation

3.) Price, it was/is disruptively priced

4.) Ecosystem it runs the gazillion apps out there for the iPhone/iPod Touch, and the iPad specific apps are pretty good.

5.) Came at a time when consumers wanted a good web capable device that could do many of the tasks they wanted to do on a PC/laptop


Now, the question is what's the next big thing? I suspect it'll be a MacBook Air/iPad hybrid- A super thin convertible laptop/tablet device. The problem is I don't know if Apple will make it, they have the laptop and tablet teams separated, it would take a new team to put one together and screw up their product lines/revenue stream.

Maybe Samsung/Asus/Acer/HP will do it.
 

Capt Caveman

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I don't see how I'm making up any numbers when you're quoting the base price right in the middle of the range I described. Jesus christ, do you expect me to quote dollars and cents and would you hop all over that issue if I were one cent off? Give me a break. :rolleyes:

No but again, you're cherry picking numbers instead of actually trying to compare apples against apples.

iPod Touch - 8gb $229, 32gb $299 and 64gb $399

iPad 2 Wifi - 16gb $499, 32gb $599 and 64gb $699

Use these numbers for you poor argument. Looks like unless you go for the 3G 64gb iPad 2, none are $800 that you seem to want to use to compare to your iPod Touch. Do you own some magical iPod Touch with 3G?
 
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Pliablemoose

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Not having Flash enhances the product, it doesn't cripple it. All the major sites will drop Flash before Jobs dies, it's already started happening.

You all know that the argument is a dead horse right?

Adobe caved, Apple won the fight

Adobe previewed some new streaming video capabilities of its Flash Media Server at the 2011 National Association of Broadcasters (NAB) trade show, including new compatibility with iOS devices like the iPad. Instead of getting Steve Jobs to relent on his "thoughts on Flash," however, Adobe is instead adding HTTP Live Streaming support to Flash Media Server.


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http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss

http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2...tm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rsshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5o2xmJXrAY


I'm flipping glad the Flash argument is finally dead.
 

dwell

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Adobe caved, Apple won the fight


Well, chicken littles still like to throw that one around like it still matters.

Anyone who every had their lap burned because they watched a YouTube video on a MacBook Pro is rejoicing the death of Flash.
 

Capt Caveman

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Haven't Google and Mozilla denounced Flash in favor of HTML5?

edit - Add Microsoft for HTML5, Google is in favor of their own version..
 
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