How Democrats are handing Donald Trump a 2nd Term as POTUS.

[JSt0rm]

Oh please. Leftists these days probe judicial candidates for any hint that they might actually be serious Christians. Imagine what would happen if FDR was president right now and dropped a line like this:

"In teaching this democratic faith to American children, we need the sustaining, buttressing aid of those great ethical religious teachings which are the heritage of our modern civilization. For ‘not upon strength nor upon power, but upon the spirit of God’ shall our democracy be founded.”

Or perhaps...

“With every passing year I become more confident that humanity is moving forward to the practical application of the teachings of Christianity as they affect the individual lives of men and women everywhere.”

Somehow I think democrat heads would spin far more than republican ones.

We should be rooting christianity out of government. We dont need that mystical stuff in here.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

And of course no one cheats and collects welfare benefits while having other sources of income. I worked for many years part time as a cashier in a convenience store, and I saw with my own eyes many people who abused the system. So, no it is not a BS anecdote. It is a very real problem.

And no, I am not a creepy stalker as you implied fskim. The store I worked at had large windows facing onto the street, so I could see the vehicles as customers parked or drove away, and also the nice clothes they wore.

Tries to refute anecdotal argument criticism with...an anecdote.

Sigh.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh please. Leftists these days probe judicial candidates for any hint that they might actually be serious Christians. Imagine what would happen if FDR was president right now and dropped a line like this:

"In teaching this democratic faith to American children, we need the sustaining, buttressing aid of those great ethical religious teachings which are the heritage of our modern civilization. For ‘not upon strength nor upon power, but upon the spirit of God’ shall our democracy be founded.”

Or perhaps...

“With every passing year I become more confident that humanity is moving forward to the practical application of the teachings of Christianity as they affect the individual lives of men and women everywhere.”

Somehow I think democrat heads would spin far more than republican ones.

Democrats arent leftists and no, people basing their legal foundation on the Bible should not be allowed to be judges. FDR would agree.

 

[woolfe9998]

Trump is really good at distorting the facts. Oh, I'll probably still vote. Hopefully the democrats can get their act together and lean more to the center. It doesn't look like it though. Throwing money at problems will not solve the issues we currently face. Let's come up with a creative solution to this mess.

Really? How do we solve the problem of healthcare costing so much that most of the population is now either uninsured or grossly under-insured? You have a non-monetary solution to that problem? Healthcare costs money.

The notion that "throwing money at problems will not solve them" sounds good but is sophistry. The simple truth is that most problems we face are at their core economic problems, for which there is little or no solution that doesn't involve money somehow.

 

[zinfamous]

What's that? Someone with no history or education on economics shouldn't be advocating for economical changes? You don't say...

That's what conservatives like myself always start with. Helping the homeless - SOUNDS FUCKING GREAT. Helping the unemployed? SOUNDS FUCKING GREAT. The question is... HOW? If your answer is "taxing more", then I already know you're too stupid for words.

It's been proven time and time again that simply throwing money at a problem doesn't equate to solving a problem.

I have a mother in law that is of the "minority groups" that works as a cashier for Walmart. She has grown depressed based on the amount of people she sees on benefits that for some reason have amazing clothing, amazing vehicles, and are overall not suffering. Yet they have drastic government benefits as well. How is that helping the case of getting people to feel productive, useful, and self sufficient? It doesn't. It got to the point where she feels so bad that she feels like she needs to apply because it's being so drastically abused.

lol. show me a conservative that knows more than shit about economics and I'll put a bullet in my brain.

 

[fskimospy]

Oh please. Leftists these days probe judicial candidates for any hint that they might actually be serious Christians. Imagine what would happen if FDR was president right now and dropped a line like this:

"In teaching this democratic faith to American children, we need the sustaining, buttressing aid of those great ethical religious teachings which are the heritage of our modern civilization. For ‘not upon strength nor upon power, but upon the spirit of God’ shall our democracy be founded.”

Or perhaps...

“With every passing year I become more confident that humanity is moving forward to the practical application of the teachings of Christianity as they affect the individual lives of men and women everywhere.”

Somehow I think democrat heads would spin far more than republican ones.

Yeah, imagine how angry Democrats would be if FDR said something like this:

“I was reminded that while our time on Earth is fleeting, he is eternal. His life, his lessons live on in our hearts and, most importantly, in our actions. When we tend to the sick, when we console those in pain, when we sacrifice for those in need, wherever and whenever we are there to give comfort and to guide and to love, then Christ is with us.”

I’m sure you don’t have to guess what president actually said that. You’re letting right wing media twist your mind again. Christians are not persecuted in America.

 

[Bitek]

Again, she is everything you want to perceive as a broke minority that typically leans very left when it comes to politics. Her mind still hasn't changed politically, but she has definitely changed her perceptions.

It's also funny - she saw this plenty in Florida, but we recently got her to move closer to us in TX and apparently she obviously sees it a lot more often here apparently.

I could care less about her race, politics or income. That's not particularly relevant to the central question.

That being, is whether the anecdote of this one person's perception is reflective of the overall value and performance of the program? It's an interesting, but very limited view data point.

A few possibilities.

1. Is there a need for the program?
2. If so, is it effectively administered to get aid to those that need it with minimal waste?

I don't think the anecdote can even begin to answer #1. It does provide some level of localized information on #2, assuming you could determine accurate accounting, separated from inherit perception biases and flaws in lieu of more accurate auditing methods.

The last bit was the point of my previous post.

Overall there seems very little concrete conclusions to draw from it other than the program is not perfect, which is not really revelatory.

 

[fskimospy]

And of course no one cheats and collects welfare benefits while having other sources of income. I worked for many years part time as a cashier in a convenience store, and I saw with my own eyes many people who abused the system. So, no it is not a BS anecdote. It is a very real problem.

And no, I am not a creepy stalker as you implied fskim. The store I worked at had large windows facing onto the street, so I could see the vehicles as customers parked or drove away, and also the nice clothes they wore.

I for one am very impressed that you were able to discern whether or not they qualified for SNAP based on checking their clothing labels and the car they got into. I have no doubt that some people commit fraud that involves food stamps. That’s inevitable. All evidence points to the idea that this is a very small percentage of people however.

The weirdest part about these fantasies that well off people are abusing SNAP is that the benefits aren’t large. The average family gets a little over $200 a month, meaning these well off people are risking prison for a benefit of a little over $2,400 a year. All morality aside simply from a practical standpoint I would never do that because it’s not worth it. I wonder how such dumb people got so well off?

 

[ch33zw1z]

Trump's only major piece of legislation is a tax cut for the tippy top. "His" other accomplishments are only his is name, but designed and carried out by people like lying Ryan and mcturtle.

He hasn't made good on many of his campaign promises and gave a huge tax cut to the tippy top. So I wholly disagree with the premise of the OP.

However, what the OP is discussing IS how the Cons will play. Like AOC is the leader of the whole anti Trump movement. She's a single voice, with ideas I may agree with. But, let's be honest, monetary interests in DC pull the strings. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if she accidentally fell down the stairs.

The swamp is not drained, the people in place in DC now were the swamp residents that were promised to be dispelled.

 

[cytg111]

[QUOTE="s0me0nesmind1, post: 39736201, member: 317397"
It's been proven time and time again that simply throwing money at a problem doesn't equate to solving a problem.
[/QUOTE]
And not throwing money at it does?
Resources can be used to varying degrees of efficiency.
No resources can be used to do absolutly nothing.
Is this a premise for a turing complete universe we can agree on?

 

[skull]

I love how conservatives always trod out these BS anecdotes.

This below is the main and virtually only cash benefit welfare program. You can have it up to five years. What you would be describing at most is someone with HUD assistance (i.e. the person pays about a third of the rent, while the government pays the rest) and SSI disability. Excluding everyone but young, able-bodied persons would amount to a very tiny fraction.

https://yourtexasbenefits.hhsc.texas.gov/programs/tanf/families

Where'd he say they were getting cash benefits? Though most of the entitlements abusers I see in the hood have side jobs that pay cash, whether its unlicensed home daycare, cutting hair, bar-tending or selling dope. They don't claim income then get section 8, food stamps, utility bill programs, cash assistance, etc. for as long as they can. Between the cash income, the assistance and not paying taxes they make out like bandits. The hair cutting lady has a 10 x 10 room dedicated to shoes fully shelved from top to bottom and stuffed with expensive shoes.

 

[brycejones]

Oh please. Leftists these days probe judicial candidates for any hint that they might actually be serious Christians. Imagine what would happen if FDR was president right now and dropped a line like this:

"In teaching this democratic faith to American children, we need the sustaining, buttressing aid of those great ethical religious teachings which are the heritage of our modern civilization. For ‘not upon strength nor upon power, but upon the spirit of God’ shall our democracy be founded.”

Or perhaps...

“With every passing year I become more confident that humanity is moving forward to the practical application of the teachings of Christianity as they affect the individual lives of men and women everywhere.”

Somehow I think democrat heads would spin far more than republican ones.

YOU are the victim, Christians are horribly persecuted in this country.

As for the section in bold, yeah that isn't happening with modern evangelicals in the US. In fact its the exact opposite.

 

[fskimospy]

Where'd he say they were getting cash benefits?

If it wasn’t EBT then how would a cashier at Walmart know they were getting public assistance?

Though most of the entitlements abusers I see in the hood have side jobs that pay cash, whether its unlicensed home daycare, cutting hair, bar-tending or selling dope. They don't claim income then get section 8, food stamps, utility bill programs, cash assistance, etc. for as long as they can. Between the cash income, the assistance and not paying taxes they make out like bandits. The hair cutting lady has a 10 x 10 room dedicated to shoes fully shelved from top to bottom and stuffed with expensive shoes.

First, you realize that the large majority of people on public assistance have jobs and that’s normal, right?

Second, what precisely do you do in ‘the hood’ that gives you this sort of insight into such a wide range of people and the specific government benefits they receive? It sounds like you claim to know a minimum of four separate people who are currently or recently been engaging in fraud, at least one of them well enough to be inside their house, examining their shoe room. Are you a social worker or something?

 

[ch33zw1z]

YOU are the victim, Christians are horribly persecuted in this country.

As for the section in bold, yeah that isn't happening with modern evangelicals in the US. In fact its the exact opposite.

True story

 

[frozentundra123456]

If it wasn’t EBT then how would a cashier at Walmart know they were getting public assistance?



First, you realize that the large majority of people on public assistance have jobs and that’s normal, right?

Second, what precisely do you do in ‘the hood’ that gives you this sort of insight into such a wide range of people and the specific government benefits they receive? It sounds like you claim to know a minimum of four separate people who are currently or recently been engaging in fraud, at least one of them well enough to be inside their house, examining their shoe room. Are you a social worker or something?

OK, conversely, you seem to have a lot of knowledge about how little fraud there is in government programs. Care to cite some statistics, or the source of *your* infallible knowledge? You would also realize that simply because it is "fraud", if someone is illegally receiving benefits, it probably would not be reported. I personally have no statictics, and am not claiming whether fraud is widespread or not, simply that I have seen evidence that it happens.

 

[fskimospy]

OK, conversely, you seem to have a lot of knowledge about how little fraud there is in government programs. Care to cite some statistics, or the source of *your* infallible knowledge? You would also realize that simply because it is "fraud", if someone is illegally receiving benefits, it probably would not be reported. I personally have no statictics, and am not claiming whether fraud is widespread or not, simply that I have seen evidence that it happens.

According to the government SNAP fraud accounts for about 1% of expenditures.

https://www.fns.usda.gov/fraud/what-snap-fraud

So of course it exists, nobody claimed otherwise. It is not a major issue, however.

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'm someone that just a few short years ago could never have seen myself voting for someone like Trump. But, the left has radicalized so much, they've replaced common sense with extremism today to the point that now I cannot see myself voting for a Democrat over Trump.

 

[SlowSpyder]

If you're a moderate stop being moderate.

There's no moderate $7.25 minimum wage that you can live on anymore unless you like living out of a shelter.

There's no moderate $7.25 an hour income to afford crazy prices for an epi-pen that your family member needs or pays off your health care deductible for your insurance to kick in.

There's no moderate $7.25 an hour income that allows you to have a family and provide for them.

A green new deal makes sense because it covers..
1. a living wage
2. medicare for all
3. a guarantee of a job

It ain't a fucking handout like disability which can be abused. Instead those who want to work will be able to get a job with a wage so they can actually work while not being squeezed.

And to say we can't/ or shouldn't do that is exactly why the middle class has become the working poor over the last few years.

There is nothing forcing anyone to stay at minimum wage, though. Your whole post reads as "I deserve more" when you should be going about life as, "How can I better myself and achieve more?"

 

[ch33zw1z]

Haven't you heard guys, it's only corporations and job creators that can demand more and game the system, cuz they're people too.

 

[ewdotson]

*looks at byline*

ROFL

Cillizza sucks at his job and always has.

Yeah, I saw the thread title, saw the link to CNN and said to myself "I bet it's a Cillizza piece". He's a particularly worthless exemplar of faux-centrism.

 

[K1052]

Can we get more mythical voters willing to vote for Democrats but espousing almost nothing but MAGA views up in here?

I know there are a couple more.

 

[zinfamous]

I'm someone that just a few short years ago could never have seen myself voting for someone like Trump. But, the left has radicalized so much, they've replaced common sense with extremism today to the point that now I cannot see myself voting for a Democrat over Trump.

bull fucking donkey shit.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Where is the money going to come from?

The United States does not have a money problem. Our tax revenue is about 3.5 Trillion dollars a year, and that is pretty badly unoptimized since we tax those with the most to tax the least. We can do all this and more with that amount of money. America has a allocation problem, and that is what people like AOC is looking to fix. We need to invest in educating and housing our people, not in being better at killing other people. That is where this money comes from.

 

[fskimospy]

Can we get more mythical voters willing to vote for Democrats but espousing almost nothing but MAGA views up in here?

I know there are a couple more.

Every science denying, second amendment fanatic that loves tax cuts for the ultra rich and thinks white men are the true victims of oppression that I know was totally a Democrat until they moved left and stopped supporting those things.

I know they’re telling the truth because they said so.

 

[Jaskalas]

the dems should be more socialist. Thats how they will win. And it scares the shit out of the .01%

But we need PR teams to coach candidates in how to address the public on the issues, and how to combat Trump's lies. Republicans will scream socialism and Venezuela, we need to kick their teeth in for that. We need short and concise messaging that can demonstrate a clear benefit to the American people. "Green New Deal", what is that? How's is it going to benefit me - rather than take things away from me?

Where's the sales rep?