How dangerous is having a gun in your house if you have children?

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: CPA
I wish we lived in the 1800s. It would be fun to see how some of you would have reacted to the fact that almost every household had a gun or two in it. And the kids knew how to shoot just as well as the adults. Why is the capacity of learning to properly handle a gun for a child today so much less than one back a hundred years ago?

It's called evolution.

LOL, you are joking right?

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: piku

Bobby shouldn't be saying "Hey! What is THAT??," because the parent should have already explained what it is to the kid, it?s purpose, and why he shouldn't touch it. Or even if they are interested they should be taken to the range to shoot one if they wanted.

BINGO! All children should be trained not only to not touch a gun without a parent around, but also how to handle one safely when supervised by an adult.

Ask a liberal why "just say no" failed for sex, and failed for drugs... but is an absolute when it comes to guns. Most will not have an answer.

The fact of the matter is, we live in a world with guns. NOT training your children about gun safety beyond "just say no" is abusive, period. All children should be trained on how to handle firearms safely, and the proper respect with which to treat them.

Right. As parents we are so successful in teaching our children not to drink, do drugs, smoke, or have unprotected sex. Why not add gun education to the list.

Kids will do what kids will do no matter what we as parents teach them. Having a gun and a child in the same house is a bad idea.

My wife and I will never let our children go to a friend's house if their parent's have guns. Yes, we will phone ahead to find out if necessary.

That is your perogative. However, parents who go into details about sex and drugs beyond "just say no" are MUCH more successful at keeping their kids away from these things. And the fact of the matter is, gun safety education dramatically reduces the rate of "accidents."

I learned to shoot when I joined the cub scouts. Every scout camp I went to had a rifle range. These kids weren't running around shooting each other or playing with guns. They had a healthy respect for, and an education on how to properly handle guns.

All you seem to want to do is further ignorance, and build up the mystery and appeal of firearms by denying your children an education on how to handle and respect them.

 

[Tom]

i went to a scout camp where they didn't have guns, and no one got shot there either.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Amused
That is your perogative. However, parents who go into details about sex and drugs beyond "just say no" are MUCH more successful at keeping their kids away from these things. And the fact of the matter is, gun safety education dramatically reduces the rate of "accidents."

I learned to shoot when I joined the cub scouts. Every scout camp I went to had a rifle range. These kids weren't running around shooting each other or playing with guns. They had a healthy respect for, and an education on how to properly handle guns.

All you seem to want to do is further ignorance, and build up the mystery and appeal of firearms by denying your children an education on how to handle and respect them.

I never said I didn't plan on educating my children on touchy subjects. I wholeheartedly agree with you on this level of education. It is the best way to go.

However, just like I don't plan on having drugs around the house, or on having sex with my wife in front of the children, or on buying them alcohol before they can legally drink it, I don't think it makes sense to expose them to guns either.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: CPA
LOL, you are joking right?

Nope. Quite serious.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: CPA
LOL, you are joking right?

Nope. Quite serious.

Wanna detail how we have evolved in 100 years???

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Amused
Really?

Please detail exactly how humans have evolved in the past 100 years.

I don't follow the question. Surely you don't want me to compare and contrast life today from 100 years ago.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.

The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.

No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.

Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.

This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.

The only person in the twilight is you. You live there. You never debate on the issue, instead you try to confuse it. This is not about baseball bats, sex, or politics. Its about a problem we have with guns and our children. But your quite frankly to stupid to understand reality. The reality is kids are dying at an alarming rate from gun violence. Thats the facts. And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons. You wanna feel safe, get yourself a water gun and sleep with that under your pillow, scaredy cat.


PS. Don't put any water in it, you might squirt your eye out, Ralphie.

The reality is that kids dying from gun violence has a lot more to do with bad parenting than it does with whether or not a gun is available.

Oh, and the day someone comes to take my weapons away is the day I use my weapons for more than self-defense and target shooting.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Oh, and the day someone comes to take my weapons away is the day I use my weapons for more than self-defense and target shooting.

When the day comes (and I hope it never does), I hope for your sake that the burgler isn't your wife, child, house guest, etc... that went downstairs to get a glass of water.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Amused
Really?

Please detail exactly how humans have evolved in the past 100 years.

I don't follow the question. Surely you don't want me to compare and contrast life today from 100 years ago.

Changing culure is not evolution. Do you know the difference between the two?

Biologically, we are no different than we were 100, 200, 300 or even 500 years ago.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Oh, and the day someone comes to take my weapons away is the day I use my weapons for more than self-defense and target shooting.

When the day comes (and I hope it never does), I hope for your sake that the burgler isn't your wife, child, house guest, etc... that went downstairs to get a glass of water.

You do realize how very rare this is, don't you? It's such a pointless cliche.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Oh, and the day someone comes to take my weapons away is the day I use my weapons for more than self-defense and target shooting.

When the day comes (and I hope it never does), I hope for your sake that the burgler isn't your wife, child, house guest, etc... that went downstairs to get a glass of water.

That is rhetoric of a fearmonger.

But back to my original point and your earlier rebuttal. How has evolution changed the learning capacity of children within the last 100 years?

 

[Vic]

Only dangerous if you don't teach your kids about guns and how to use them. I grew up in a house with 6 kids and guns and there was never a single gun incident.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Oh, and the day someone comes to take my weapons away is the day I use my weapons for more than self-defense and target shooting.

When the day comes (and I hope it never does), I hope for your sake that the burgler isn't your wife, child, house guest, etc... that went downstairs to get a glass of water.

That is rhetoric of a fearmonger.

But back to my original point and your earlier rebuttal. How has evolution changed the learning capacity of children within the last 100 years?

Apparently they can master a computer at age 5 and a car at age 15 but they can't be taught to safely operate a firearm which is much less complex...

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Amused
Changing culure is not evolution. Do you know the difference bwteeen the two?

Biologically, we are no different than we were 100, 200, 300 or even 500 years ago.

Yup. I do understand the difference between the two. What I don't understand is where you are going with this.

The comment was:

Why is the capacity of learning to properly handle a gun for a child today so much less than one back a hundred years ago?

I responded evolution. Because the need is no longer there. Just like children no longer need to know how to ride horses, they no longer need to know how to handle guns.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: CPA
That is rhetoric of a fearmonger.

But back to my original point and your earlier rebuttal. How has evolution changed the learning capacity of children within the last 100 years?

I don't understand why people have to resort to name calling and petty insults.

In response, it hasn't changed the capacity to learn, but the need.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Amused
Changing culure is not evolution. Do you know the difference bwteeen the two?

Biologically, we are no different than we were 100, 200, 300 or even 500 years ago.

Yup. I do understand the difference between the two. What I don't understand is where you are going with this.

The comment was:

Why is the capacity of learning to properly handle a gun for a child today so much less than one back a hundred years ago?

I responded evolution. Because the need is no longer there. Just like children no longer need to know how to ride horses, they no longer need to know how to handle guns.

The question wasn't geared towards need, but the simple capacity to understand how to properly handle a gun. And with that, evolution hasn't done anything. A child can be taught just as well today as they were 100 years ago when guns were prevelant. And if that is possible, then the fear that is spread around today's society about guns in the household is unwarranted, regardless of need.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Amused
Changing culure is not evolution. Do you know the difference bwteeen the two?

Biologically, we are no different than we were 100, 200, 300 or even 500 years ago.

Yup. I do understand the difference between the two. What I don't understand is where you are going with this.

The comment was:

Why is the capacity of learning to properly handle a gun for a child today so much less than one back a hundred years ago?

I responded evolution. Because the need is no longer there. Just like children no longer need to know how to ride horses, they no longer need to know how to handle guns.

That is where you are wrong. The need still very much exists. You cannot uninvent a thing. As such, criminals and tyrants will ALWAYS have access to guns. Therefore, so should the common citizen.

I fear a government that fears allowing it's citizens to be armed. You may be content in leaving your personal defense and safety up to a police force that is not responsible for your private and personal defense. I am not.

 

[nan0bug]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: nan0bug
Oh, and the day someone comes to take my weapons away is the day I use my weapons for more than self-defense and target shooting.

When the day comes (and I hope it never does), I hope for your sake that the burgler isn't your wife, child, house guest, etc... that went downstairs to get a glass of water.

I would never fire on someone without yelling out to them that they need to identify themself and what they are doing in my home because I have a gun and I'm willing to use it. Everyone that knows me knows I have a gun. When my child is old enough to understand, she will know that if she ever hears those words to not take it as a joke.

Edit: I'd also like to add that I wouldn't even fire on someone if I could avoid it. Material posessions can be replaced, lives can't. The only way I would fire on someone in my house is if I felt my life or my family's life were in immediate danger that could not be avoided by other means. Or if they were the storm troopers coming to take my guns away and send me to liberal re-education camp.

Furthermore, I was responding to the "The day will come when you will hand over your weapons" line. I don't care if this whole country turns into a love fest filled with liberal pothead hippy fvcks who sustain life through arts and crafts shows and Im the only guy with a gun, I'd never give my weapons up. No way.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Jzero
Apparently they can master a computer at age 5 and a car at age 15 but they can't be taught to safely operate a firearm which is much less complex...

I have never heard of a child mis-using a computer and killing themselves or someone else.

The vast majority of people could not survive and be productive in today's society without the use of a car. 100 years from now if people can get places more effeciently and effectively without the use of cars, then they should not be used anymore either.

 

[CPA]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: CPA
That is rhetoric of a fearmonger.

But back to my original point and your earlier rebuttal. How has evolution changed the learning capacity of children within the last 100 years?

I don't understand why people have to resort to name calling and petty insults.

In response, it hasn't changed the capacity to learn, but the need.

I apologize, but the logic is based on fear, and not fact. Yes, it happens but the infrequency is such that it doesn't warrant the total exclusion of guns in the household.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: CPA
That is rhetoric of a fearmonger.

But back to my original point and your earlier rebuttal. How has evolution changed the learning capacity of children within the last 100 years?

I don't understand why people have to resort to name calling and petty insults.

In response, it hasn't changed the capacity to learn, but the need.

"fearmonger" shouldn't be considered insulting. You are peddling fear of guns. Nothing more, nothing less.
If peddling fear is something you consider insulting, perhaps you should stop doing it.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: nan0bug
I would never fire on someone without yelling out to them that they need to identify themself and what they are doing in my home because I have a gun and I'm willing to use it. Everyone that knows me knows I have a gun. When my child is old enough to understand, she will know that if she ever hears those words to not take it as a joke.

What happens if they are listening to a walkman or deaf.

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: Garet Jax

Originally posted by: Jzero
Apparently they can master a computer at age 5 and a car at age 15 but they can't be taught to safely operate a firearm which is much less complex...

I have never heard of a child mis-using a computer and killing themselves or someone else.

The vast majority of people could not survive and be productive in today's society without the use of a car. 100 years from now if people can get places more effeciently and effectively without the use of cars, then they should not be used anymore either.

My statement was about the whether computers or cars are safe or necessary, but pointing out the absurdity of your previous statement that children do not have the capacity to learn to safely use a gun as a result of some sort of bizarre evolution.

 

[Garet Jax]

Originally posted by: Jzero"fearmonger" shouldn't be considered insulting. You are peddling fear of guns. Nothing more, nothing less.
If peddling fear is something you consider insulting, perhaps you should stop doing it.

Don't kid yourself. It was intended as an insult.