No I didn't. If having the gun for the purpose of protection and you have children then they need to be educated on the safety of guns and use from early age. When I have children and if I have a gun in the house I will rather they know as much as they can about guns and the safety, if in case of emergency they are home alone and are someone is breaking in to the house, I would rather they are able to self defend them self then for me to come home and find out assault /kidnapped or even worse killed by intruders
No I didn't. If having the gun for the purpose of protection and you have children then they need to be educated on the safety of guns and use from early age. When I have children and if I have a gun in the house I will rather they know as much as they can about guns and the safety, if in case of emergency they are home alone and are someone is breaking in to the house, I would rather they are able to self defend them self then for me to come home and find out assault /kidnapped or even worse killed by intruders
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
My parents had a gun in my house my entire childhood. They told me about it when I was 13. They felt that I was old enough to be able to responsibly handle the information. I remember being warned not to tell my friends becuase it was easier than not having to explain it to them why we had a gun in the house. The two handguns were kept on top of a 7.5 high hutch and you can't see them unless you are looking down from above... which is impossible to do in the room that they were in. Also, the bulletts were kept in a different room. For me, they weren't dangerous at all. I think I was happier not knowing they were there. But in case of an emergency, I knew where they were even if they weren't loaded.
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Yes. Heaven forbid that we learn how to handle a gun safely. We should just all let Big Brother tell us what's best for us.
I will have guns in my house. I will have a concealed carry permit. I will probably not keep the guns loaded but I will keep a full clip next to the gun. Any children I have will be taught to respect the gun and they will be taught that the first time they fail to respect it will be the last thing they ever do. A child should both love and fear his parents.
ZV
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The best safety for the guy trying to kill/maim/rape/rob you is no gun. The best safety for you is a .45 slug in the guy who is trying to kill/maim/rape/rob you. And you still haven't answered the question regarding the "just say no" approach.Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
ZV
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Yes. Heaven forbid that we learn how to handle a gun safely. We should just all let Big Brother tell us what's best for us.
I will have guns in my house. I will have a concealed carry permit. I will probably not keep the guns loaded but I will keep a full clip next to the gun. Any children I have will be taught to respect the gun and they will be taught that the first time they fail to respect it will be the last thing they ever do. A child should both love and fear his parents.
ZV
Great have a cookie. I bet you sleep with the light on huh?
Incorrect. Guns are made for killing. I can't think of an instrument that's more dangerous to human life than a gun. It has one purpose - to lodge bullets into humans, animals and targets. Cars are made for driving. Knives are made for cutting food, and scissors are made for cutting paper and other materials.
But guns are made for killing. That's all I need to believe that guns are 'dirty.'
yes i assuming that, if its for hunting then i will agree with everyone else no reason to keep guns loaded or in easy to reach places
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Nah, needs to be dark to sleep. Besides, I have great night vision so I've got one more advantage if it's dark.Originally posted by: classy
Great have a cookie. I bet you sleep with the light on huh?Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Yes. Heaven forbid that we learn how to handle a gun safely. We should just all let Big Brother tell us what's best for us.
I will have guns in my house. I will have a concealed carry permit. I will probably not keep the guns loaded but I will keep a full clip next to the gun. Any children I have will be taught to respect the gun and they will be taught that the first time they fail to respect it will be the last thing they ever do. A child should both love and fear his parents.
ZV
ZV
Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Nah, needs to be dark to sleep. Besides, I have great night vision so I've got one more advantage if it's dark.Originally posted by: classy
Great have a cookie. I bet you sleep with the light on huh?Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
Yes. Heaven forbid that we learn how to handle a gun safely. We should just all let Big Brother tell us what's best for us.
I will have guns in my house. I will have a concealed carry permit. I will probably not keep the guns loaded but I will keep a full clip next to the gun. Any children I have will be taught to respect the gun and they will be taught that the first time they fail to respect it will be the last thing they ever do. A child should both love and fear his parents.
ZV
ZV
LOL. You need counseling, not a gun
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Classy, will you teach your children how to safely have sex? Why? Do you want them to have sex while still in school?
Of course not. But the fact of the matter is, they WILL be faced with a sexual situation, so you prepare them for it comprehensively. You don't do the religious right wing thing of flatly saying "sex is bad, just say no."
Another fact of life is this: Guns exist. No matter how much you hate them, fear them, loath them, that wont make them go away. Training a child how to properly handle one and respect one will GREATLY increase their chances of surviving their first encounter with them... and keep them from acting stupid.
Your response to firearms is purely emotional, political and illogical. You need to be more pragmatic about this and drop the idealistic blather.
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My house had guns sitting in the kitchen closet right next to the boxes of cereal and potato chips. Ammo sitting right above it. Never a single incident in my house came from it. Why? Because by the time I was 7 I was already loading and unloading .22 bolt actions and .410 break action guns.
Raise your kid stupid and they'll do stupid things.
Raise your kid stupid and they'll do stupid things.
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Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.
Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.
This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.
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Just because you don't like what someone teaches their kid doesn't mean you should get all cranky
So what if he takes them out shooting or hunting. It's no more a bad idea than teaching him to use a baseball bat
Anyways, to the question.
I really dunno what the answer is. A robber stealing one is dumb, as you should have already killed him. A burglary on the other hand is something else. A big safe bolted down is usually the safest way to store them (I don't know if you were being technically on the robbery/buglary thing, they are different).
For fast access have a keypad model, or key model. Not the dial type. Have one key that you keep with you all the time. Don't leave your keys laying around, etc.
I'd personally probably not let my kids (don't have any, just blabbering) have any sort of access to them without me around. Kids go through too much crap in high school. Better safe than sorry.
Case in point. There was this one kid a few years ago. Had everything. Good looking guy, real popular, doctor's kid, etc. You get the idea. So him and his buddies were screwing around and took the vice-principal's 4wheeler. Well they got busted but everyone was denying they had anything to do with it. One by one they started fessing up until this kid was the last but still denied it. Was afraid of disappointing his dad. He found out the police were going to arrest him if he didn't come clean about it. So he went home and shot himself. A pure impulse thing and had he had a few extra minutes to think about it he could probably see that it wasn't the end of the world getting busted. One case where having it locked up could have prevented it.
That's just the way I look at it. I'd still have them around but don't want them having access to them like I did growing up. At anytime I had access to tons of guns and ammo. Never did anything dumb, but the possibility was still there. Kids just go through too much crap to go through.
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.
Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.
This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.
The only person in the twilight is you. You live there. You never debate on the issue, instead you try to confuse it. This is not about baseball bats, sex, or politics. Its about a problem we have with guns and our children. But your quite frankly to stupid to understand reality. The reality is kids are dying at an alarming rate from gun violence. Thats the facts. And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons. You wanna feel safe, get yourself a water gun and sleep with that under your pillow, scaredy cat.
PS. Don't put any water in it, you might squirt your eye out, Ralphie.
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Trigger or chamber locks as well. Again, all of this defeats the purpose when it's for self defense. Safety is very important when it comes to firearms though.
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.
Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.
This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.
The only person in the twilight is you. You live there. You never debate on the issue, instead you try to confuse it. This is not about baseball bats, sex, or politics. Its about a problem we have with guns and our children. But your quite frankly to stupid to understand reality. The reality is kids are dying at an alarming rate from gun violence. Thats the facts. And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons. You wanna feel safe, get yourself a water gun and sleep with that under your pillow, scaredy cat.
PS. Don't put any water in it, you might squirt your eye out, Ralphie.
what do u mean by this "And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons"
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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.
Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.
This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.
The only person in the twilight is you. You live there. You never debate on the issue, instead you try to confuse it. This is not about baseball bats, sex, or politics. Its about a problem we have with guns and our children. But your quite frankly to stupid to understand reality. The reality is kids are dying at an alarming rate from gun violence. Thats the facts. And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons. You wanna feel safe, get yourself a water gun and sleep with that under your pillow, scaredy cat.
PS. Don't put any water in it, you might squirt your eye out, Ralphie.
Classy, there have been guns in our society since it was founded. The only thing that's changed is attitudes like yours. If you treat guns like they're evil and tell your children "Just say no" what the hell do you expect will happen? There's no confusion to my message, Classy. Yes, kids are dying. The question is, why? Is it because guns exist? If so, why do children trained on how to handle and respect guns have a much smaller chance of being killed by, or having an accident with a gun? Could it be that comprehensive education works?
BTW, more kids die from drowning than from accidental gun deaths each year. Are you going to ban bath tubs, pools and 5 gallon buckets?
And yes, this is just like sex and drugs. Banning guns will be as effective as legislating sex and the war on drugs. Too bad you're too busy being idealistic to see that.
Finally, no, Classy. No one is going to take my guns. So keep your wet dreams to yourself.
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Originally posted by: Ylen13
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.
Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.
This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.
The only person in the twilight is you. You live there. You never debate on the issue, instead you try to confuse it. This is not about baseball bats, sex, or politics. Its about a problem we have with guns and our children. But your quite frankly to stupid to understand reality. The reality is kids are dying at an alarming rate from gun violence. Thats the facts. And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons. You wanna feel safe, get yourself a water gun and sleep with that under your pillow, scaredy cat.
PS. Don't put any water in it, you might squirt your eye out, Ralphie.
what do u mean by this "And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons"
He's a proud gun grabber. He believes that no civilians should own firearms. He has complete and utter faith in his government.
In other words, he's historically ignorant and just blindly bleating the liberal mantra.
1. Education
2. Store gun unloaded
3. Trigger locks
4. Store in locked metal case
I was taught by my dad at an early age to respect guns. He also taught me the proper way to handle/use them. I had my fisrt shotgun at age 16 and he bought me a 9mm handgun when I was 17. Why because we liked to hunt and shot together and he knew he taught me how to be responsible with them. If I had never been around guns and was just taught to "just say no" I have no doubt I would have been in a lot more danger. I knew plenty of friends whose dads had guns that were easily accessable. Was it right for them to keep them in an open cabinet? No. Did it effect me? No, because I was properly taught how to respect and use them. I can remember more than a few occasions were I was teaching my friends what not to do because I knew better. My kids will be taught the same values when they're old enough for this same reason. Even if they don't like them they will learn how to respect and handle them. You cannot control every situation they will be in. You can have a lot more faith knowing they will know how to handle it if the situation ever arises if you educate them.
2. Store gun unloaded
3. Trigger locks
4. Store in locked metal case
I was taught by my dad at an early age to respect guns. He also taught me the proper way to handle/use them. I had my fisrt shotgun at age 16 and he bought me a 9mm handgun when I was 17. Why because we liked to hunt and shot together and he knew he taught me how to be responsible with them. If I had never been around guns and was just taught to "just say no" I have no doubt I would have been in a lot more danger. I knew plenty of friends whose dads had guns that were easily accessable. Was it right for them to keep them in an open cabinet? No. Did it effect me? No, because I was properly taught how to respect and use them. I can remember more than a few occasions were I was teaching my friends what not to do because I knew better. My kids will be taught the same values when they're old enough for this same reason. Even if they don't like them they will learn how to respect and handle them. You cannot control every situation they will be in. You can have a lot more faith knowing they will know how to handle it if the situation ever arises if you educate them.
Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: classy
And another thing I get so tired of knuckleheads turning life issues like owning a gun into a political debate of conservatives vs liberals. I don't remember reading the part of the many deaths whether accidental or intentional, where the shooter asked before pulling the trigger, Are you a liberal or a conservative.
The best safety is no gun.
2nd best locked up tight.
No, the best safety is being armed, and properly educating your children on how to act around firearms.
Oh, and Classy, point out one non-liberal on this board bleating the "guns are bad, mmkay" mantra. OOPS! It IS a liberal vs libertarian/conservative issue. And you couldn't be any more liberal if you tried.
This isn't the Twilight Zone, and you aren't Anthony... You can't wish guns away into the corn field, no matter how much you wish you could.
The only person in the twilight is you. You live there. You never debate on the issue, instead you try to confuse it. This is not about baseball bats, sex, or politics. Its about a problem we have with guns and our children. But your quite frankly to stupid to understand reality. The reality is kids are dying at an alarming rate from gun violence. Thats the facts. And the day will come when gun owners like you will turn over your weapons. You wanna feel safe, get yourself a water gun and sleep with that under your pillow, scaredy cat.
PS. Don't put any water in it, you might squirt your eye out, Ralphie.
Call me a typical gun owner, but most people who own guns are responsable. No amount of laws will change the fact that many of the crimes commited with guns are with those that are purchased illeaglly.
The government already tried starving us out of our weapons. They failed. Not because of the NRA, but because of the gun and ammo makers themselves. They told the government that when they have to stop making ammo and guns for the public, is the day they stop making ammo and guns for the military. So let them try again, they will be stopped.
And if you try to take away guns from the american public, you will probably have a war on your hands, because the day they outlaw all guns, is the day I move out and set up camp in the wilderness, and they can try to take away my gun, I'll have 2000 reasons thrown at them why they should not.
Totally agree here. Guns used for target shooting or hunting should never be sitting around loose, at least not in this day and age. If you're talking about a self defence issue... then you need to look at a lot more things in your life than just having a gun.
Personally, I grew up in a home with a gun with none of those precautions. I knew where the .22 rifle was, where the hollowpoint ammunition was, where the removed bolt was (Add: 5. Remove bolt or other critical pieces of the gun and store seperately, if possible) and how to restore all these parts. I never did mostly because I respected my parents. The other reason is that I saw what guns could do. My father was an excellent shot with that gun and I saw first hand what a ground hog looked like after a .22 hollowpoint through the head. Simple target shooting cannot convey the destructive power of a gun like live hunting can. If guns exist in a house, I believe children should be warned (streneousily) against their use by age 5 and shown how to properly handle things by age 9-10. Only around then would they really be mature enough to understand and properly handle the weapons.
Of course that's just my take on this.
-- Jack
We have enough gun control. What we need is idiot control.
-? Frank Zappa
Not exactly.
This is true only if suicides by members of the household are counted among the 'injured family members or friends' and only if 'used against an intruder' is defined as 'shot dead'. Which means, its not true if you have to 'cook' the definitions in a way that is designed to produce a desired outcome.
There are a number of material problems with the now-infamous study from which this 'fact' came, which has time and time again been discredited, the author of this study even going as far as admitting that he knew the methodology used was bogus, but decided to publish it anyway because 'he agreed with its conclusions' (A. Kellermann).
First, it presumes all guns kept in homes are kept for personal protection, when a substantial percentage of firearms are kept for sporting, recreational, or collecting purposes and not for personal protection. A study which purports to measure the protective value of firearms kept for personal protection should try to narrow its sample down to firearms kept for personal protection.
Second, it was no accident that the author counted suicides to arrive at his number of 'injured family members or friends'. There are more suicides in the US annually than murders from all causes of death and accidental firearm deaths combined. Suicide is rather preventable no matter how many firearms a home may contain - don't put a gun to your head, or in your mouth, then the trigger. Simple.
Moreoever, it is highly flawed to reason that, because a suicidal person may not have access to a firearm, no suicide will occur. Wrong. "Gun free" Europe and Japan have some of the highest suicide rates in the industrialized world, as high or higher than the US, which means they seem to get along with the business of killing themselves just fine without guns, as do thousands of people who commit or attempt suicide in the US without the benefit of a firearm.
Third, more than a dozen studies, a few sponsored by the US Department of Justice, have found that the vast majority of protective or defensive gun uses (PGU/DGU) do not result in injury or death to the alleged 'criminal' (be it an intruder, mugger, rapist, etc.). Brandishing or displaying a firearm, or firing a warning shot (not advisable), proves more than sufficient to put a criminal to flight in the majority of protective gun uses.
Yet the study from which this 'fact' came only counted 'intruders shot dead' as its measure of protective gun use, deliberately failing to include 'intruders scared away' or even 'intruders wounded but not killed'. This is a bit like measuring the effectiveness of your local police department by counting only the number of 'criminals shot dead' by police, failing to consider arrests and convictions as valid measures of police effectiveness.
In fact, the author acknowledged as a caveat in the study that his analysis of firearm protective uses should have included the many police reports of attackers or intruders being wounded or scared away by a home owner with a gun that he had encountered during his research, but he decided to disinclude them and submitted the study for publication, anyway, which was enthusiastically published by the New England Journal of Medicine without peer review.
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I really didn't want to get in on this idiotic debate, but some things are just bugging me.
Yes, there is. It's something like 90+% of the time your gun will be used against you or your family member rather than an intruder. That statistic is misleading because it implies that someone else is getting ahold of your gun and using it against you. In fact, most of those cases where the gun is used against you it is suicide, and most of the cases where it is used against a family member it is the gun owner intentionally murdering their family member for whatever reason. You can't blame the guns there - if you want to kill yourself or a family member, you're going to do it with or without a gun.
Well, I can understand your objetion to guns' being used to kill animals if you are a vegetarian. That's your right and all that. And I can understand your objection to guns' being used to kill innocent humans. I'm not sure why you consider target shooting to be killing, but hey whatever. However, I do have to say that in this day and age, there are bad people. Those bad people occasionally try to do harm to good people. And if I'm that good person that is being harmed, then you can be for darned sure that I'm going to use my gun to stop those "evildoers" from doing me harm, as is my right. Fortunately that situation has never come up, and I don't expect it to.
I and my relatives don't own guns for self-defense. We don't own them for hunting. We own them for target shooting. But why, oh why would we want to shoot targets if not to hone our skills so we could eventually use our guns to kill things? I'll tell you why - because it is FUN. Most people who have fired a gun will tell you that target shooting is actually a very enjoyable activity. Neither my gun nor any of my father's guns have ever been fired at a living creature, human or animal. I have lived in a house with guns for my entire life. I started shooting BB guns (with close supervision) when I was about 8. I graduated to a .22 when I was 11 or 12. Didn't buy a gun of my own until I was 20, but I've fired countless other guns in between. I did not grow up to be a terrible violent person because I grew up around guns. There was never the possibility of me or my brothers getting to the guns, because they were kept locked in cases and with trigger locks. The keys to the trigger locks on the guns in one case were kept in the othere case. The keys to the cases themselves were kept hidden. So far we're all still alive.
And in case you're wondering, I live in New Jersey.
Yes, there is. It's something like 90+% of the time your gun will be used against you or your family member rather than an intruder. That statistic is misleading because it implies that someone else is getting ahold of your gun and using it against you. In fact, most of those cases where the gun is used against you it is suicide, and most of the cases where it is used against a family member it is the gun owner intentionally murdering their family member for whatever reason. You can't blame the guns there - if you want to kill yourself or a family member, you're going to do it with or without a gun.
Well, I can understand your objetion to guns' being used to kill animals if you are a vegetarian. That's your right and all that. And I can understand your objection to guns' being used to kill innocent humans. I'm not sure why you consider target shooting to be killing, but hey whatever. However, I do have to say that in this day and age, there are bad people. Those bad people occasionally try to do harm to good people. And if I'm that good person that is being harmed, then you can be for darned sure that I'm going to use my gun to stop those "evildoers" from doing me harm, as is my right. Fortunately that situation has never come up, and I don't expect it to.
I and my relatives don't own guns for self-defense. We don't own them for hunting. We own them for target shooting. But why, oh why would we want to shoot targets if not to hone our skills so we could eventually use our guns to kill things? I'll tell you why - because it is FUN. Most people who have fired a gun will tell you that target shooting is actually a very enjoyable activity. Neither my gun nor any of my father's guns have ever been fired at a living creature, human or animal. I have lived in a house with guns for my entire life. I started shooting BB guns (with close supervision) when I was about 8. I graduated to a .22 when I was 11 or 12. Didn't buy a gun of my own until I was 20, but I've fired countless other guns in between. I did not grow up to be a terrible violent person because I grew up around guns. There was never the possibility of me or my brothers getting to the guns, because they were kept locked in cases and with trigger locks. The keys to the trigger locks on the guns in one case were kept in the othere case. The keys to the cases themselves were kept hidden. So far we're all still alive.
And in case you're wondering, I live in New Jersey.
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