The uppercase was not necessary asshat. It broke my computer, and now I am going to have to sue you. Expect a subpoena soon.
The uppercase was not necessary asshat. It broke my computer, and now I am going to have to sue you. Expect a subpoena soon.
Well think about it your watching white tv all the time Friends, and shows like that, Blacks created BET during a time when Blacks weren't represented at all, or if they were they were in roles that only bigots could enjoy. Even today, the NAACP is constantly in meetings with movie and tv excutives to help them diverge into a more equally balanced industry were all people are represented. Not the typical all white people and a token black guy. I mean people were complaining about how matrix reloaded didn't have enough white people in zion, but all the main actors are white. There is a reason for stations like the spanish channel and so forth because in American tv, mostly whites are represented.
The problem is that there are those of us who prefer not to listen to their style of music, and don't have friends who speak like that, so we are not up on the latest trends of slang and the English dialects of the streets. Ergo, whenever some random person tries to communicate with us using such a dialect, a large misunderstanding usually occurs.
Of course, if they can make their version of Engrish popular enough someday that everyone can understand it, then fine, but until then they're going to need to be bilingual if they have any intentions of getting along with those who don't speak their language.
truth is, HOW you speak determines much of your status in life. Go watch My Fair Lady. there is truth to that. if you want to get ahead, if you want to do well in the corporate world. learn to speak correctly.
the problem is, black people who speak poorly are accused of using bad grammar etc, black people who speak properly are accused of being uncle tom's or sellouts.
people will always find something to criticize you about.
however, it is in the best interest for everyone to learn to speak properly.
the problem is, black people who speak poorly are accused of using bad grammar etc, black people who speak properly are accused of being uncle tom's or sellouts.
people will always find something to criticize you about.
however, it is in the best interest for everyone to learn to speak properly.
Where is White Entertainment Television? Or American Indian or German Entertainment Television? No doubt fa sho.[/quote]
Bitterness, anyone?
Good lord, people just upset me sometimes.
I am not "up" on the latest jargon either, but I still don't have that much of a problem understanding someone. The line of work I am going into requires me, to be able to understand street talk and all the other jargon. I guess it is a necessary evil. As long as it doesn't pollute my speech, then I don't care.
White Entertainment Television absolutely does not exist.
What we have are independent networks that make business decisions believed to be in the best interests of profit. The shows on the major networks are created to please the audiences that are known to regularly view and therefore provide a basis for charging advertisers. If every black person in America started exclusively watching NBC the racial composition of NBC's programming would begin to reflect what the executives believed the majority of its audience wanted to see because that's what keeps up ratings and ratings are what drive advertising fees.
In other words, the major networks are not created and driven with the specific purpose of entertaining the white culture. There's no bigwig tv executive scandal with annual secret meetings to discuss how best to exclude minorities in the upcoming season. It's getting so whites can't do anything simply for the sake of liking it without being accused of racism.
In contrast, Black Entertainment Television is specifically designed to appeal to the perceived interests of blacks - to the exclusion of whites. If every white person in America began exclusively watching Black Entertainment Television it would still be BET. The difference is the purpose in creating the network and the subsequent programming. The difference is BET execs set out saying "We want to entertain blacks, if no one else likes what we show that's too bad." Who cares. If I had thought of it first I might have tried it.
This country has such a large foundation in free enterprise, it is surprising for me to see how many people believe that businesses owe an obligation to represent and appeal to the rainbow. Business is business. If you don't like something, speak with your wallet, don't start crying unfair.
I agree, I have said this many times its really hard being black in America, everyone who says that things are equal now and why are we complaining about injustices and the like, is fooling themselves. Blacks have been neglected from the beginning of America, and treated like cattle, and now when blacks are finally trying to do better for them selves, and truly assimilate into American culture there are all these institutions set up to keep us subservient and ignorant. There are checks and balances, if Blacks speak too ghetto then we are stupid and lazy, if they speak too intelligent, we are treated like outcasts, or that we only want to associate with upper class's. Right now I have people complaining to me that I got into college because of affirmative action, or some type of quota and I stole their spot. Well at my school the population of blacks is like 1%. Again it's hard being Black in America because the old school mentality continues to perpetuate insecurities that they had during the time of slavery. It's a cycle that just continues and continues -- I hope my kids won't have to deal with the bigots who think they still have the right to define a culture and marginalize its participants.
Which is exactly why BET was created.
So by your own logic: to those people that are upset by the existence of BET, get over yourselves, and just don't watch it.
As a side note, BET does not exist to the exclusion of whites. It simply focuses largely on the hip-hop culture/scene/whatever.
It's hard to imagine what it's like to not regularly have someone on tv with which to identify unless you've been put in that situation constantly. Am I saying that BET was created solely for this and other selfless reasons? Hell no, but at least it's a start.
(well out here in the dangfangled midwest at least!)jpbushido...while I understand what you're saying, I don't think I'll ever buy into the notion that there are institutions existing which prevent any race from getting what they want in America. Sure, there are certain people, but not entire institutions.
As for the mentality you mentioned: it's present somewhat, but is not the same as that existing in the days of slavery. I hardly doubt that even many closet racists view minorities as cattle. Also, much of the pressure on blacks in particular to not excel in school, speak improper english, etc. is from within the black community itself. I've met far more people who are critical of others for decent school performance than I have those accusing minorities of getting into a school based on affirmative action.
As for the mentality you mentioned: it's present somewhat, but is not the same as that existing in the days of slavery. I hardly doubt that even many closet racists view minorities as cattle. Also, much of the pressure on blacks in particular to not excel in school, speak improper english, etc. is from within the black community itself. I've met far more people who are critical of others for decent school performance than I have those accusing minorities of getting into a school based on affirmative action.
Listen I understand were you are comming from, you make a valid point, its all about buisness. But is it really. You think Blacks don't speak with their wallets ohh they do, thats what the NAACP is complaining about, that blacks do watch tv, and put monies into the pockets of these business. Thats the problem, they are still not being represented, excutives are very slow to appeal to what America really is. But thats why BET is here because blacks do contribute a lot of monies to the entertainment industry but are unfairly being used, we are not getting the positive coverage that we should. Instead you do see blacks in traditional bigoted roles like the gangster, the inmate, the athlete, etc... Do you really think business is business???
You're right and that's exactly why I said if I had thought of it first I might have tried it.
I don't care if there's a BET on twenty different channels.
My main point is that I don't believe television has an obligation to create programs that regularly provide everyone with someone to identify with and I get tired of the WET implications attributed to regular tv just because the networks know how to run a business.
Good point above this, and I was in agreement with it. However, as to this quoted statement: I guess it depends on how you look at the entertainment industry. One could ask that as tv networks have such a large affect on the population as a whole, do they hold any moral obligation based on said affect? I would say yes, but that's just me.
Do black people face predjudice? YES, do women face predjudice? Yes, Do asians face predjudice? Yes.
Predjudice exists that's a fact of life. BUT it's just another barrier and NOT an insurmountable one. the perception that black civil right leaders give the rest of us is that this predjudice is insurmountable ONLY for blacks and not for the rest of us. Everyone faces difficulties and it is a HUGE Generalization to try and claim that the barriers blacks face are significanlty more difficult than barriers that the rest of us face. that requires too many assumptions.
Scott M. Peck said, "Life is difficult, untill you accept this premise you will never succeed" (paraphrased) Some of us try to approach life with the assumption that everything will be easy, and when we encounter barriers or difficulties we blame other people for them. people that approach life that way will never succeed.
I raise huge issues with the NAACP because in my opinion they encourage their own people to think that the barriers ARE insurmountable and that life SHOULDN'T be difficult. THIS mentality hurts the black people more than any PREDJUDICE can, in my opinion.
Exactly. Same reason that I have issues with those NAACP members (or any person, for that matter) who spout such a mentality to any ethnic group.
I can understand the implications that come with operating a business that affects a large portion of the population, but how far would it have to be extended?
Grocery stores affect everybody, television does not.
Would that mean that grocery stores in an area not comprised of any (let's just say hispanics for argument) hispanics would have to approtion an equal amount of its merchandise to catering to the specific buying habits of hispanics? I know my local grocery store, which is actually mega-million dollar corporation that even sells gasoline, has a teeny tiny little section with about two shelves of traditional hispanic foods. Does equality dictate that this business which affects a large amount of the general population is obligated to stock an equal amount of hispanic foods even though no one is buying them? It would be bad business and the stores would fail.
Why then should the networks be obligated to do things that they know will return less profit. We have all heard about the millions of dollars spent to research advertising. If they thought that depicting the rainbow would return maximum profits it would be done, but why force them to lose money just to keep everyone happy.
Well I guess everyone's experiences are different. I like to think of these institutions as a vial that?s been pulled over everyone?s eyes. Think about it, why hasn't there ever been a president other than a white man, what there are no other qualified candidates, or why are like 90% of the top fortune 500 company executives white men, like a small percentage is white women. Think there are no institutions; think about Trent Lott, the ex-republican house leader. He has cousins in the more conservative KKK, he has been a key player in perpetuating certain American ideals. He has roots in the rural segregationist south. Think there aren't more people like him with power, huh, it may not be a conspiracy, but something is definitely foul in America. I am at work so I can't elaborate much, but if you want to talk more about this stuff I will give you my info. I have done some research on these matters and it has definitely opened my mind.
to carry your analogy farther, for korean foods, we've always gone to korean grocery stores (BET) even tho we were often forced to drive up to 1 hour out of our way. did we ever make it a point of "Racism" that our local grocery stores didn't carry "Korean" foods??? of course not, that would have been ludicrous.
I agree that historically blacks got a slow start compared to whites because of slavery. That would partly explain why there hasn't been a black president. Also, its a majority vote. Nothing can be done about that - nothing should be done about that in my opinion. Majority rule is simply the most logical. Why please less people only to dissatisfy more? It's also the easiest to accomplish, open to less application of personal bias. Numbers are numbers. (I know, the whole Bush election thing, that's another topic.)
Is to point out that there are presently white politicians who are biased against blacks to say that no black politicians would be biased against whites? I don't believe that to be true at all. In fact, people like Jackson and Sharpton can have blatantly racist comments published and be praised in the same article.
I believe that people like Lott are a dying breed. I personally believe, and could never prove, that much of the racial tension in this country is kept alive by politicians who need a "selling point" in their campaigns. People born in the last 30 years have not grown up with Jim Crow laws or lynchings. Racial 'mixture' is not accepted, per se, it's just a fact of life - it's not unusual to anyone. If the people that profit from keeping the topic in controversy would disappear much (not all) of the problem would solve itself.
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