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How can you Americans actually be proud of your history?

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dude, what are you smoking. every country started off with not so noble beginnings... should Germans be disgusted of their history because at one point in time a man named Hitler killed millions of Jews? Perhaps one instance of their history, but they have immense culture in their history as well. STFU.
 

So

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Originally posted by: BigToque
Originally posted by: her209
So following your logic, it would be fine for "illegal immigrants" to pillage and plunder?

I'm saying Americans should feel ashamed of their past. Not proud.

Because the U.S. has never done anything good for the world, and the disease depleted population of 'natives' would have done SO much more for the world.
 

KK

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OP, how can you be proud of your ancestors, esp. your mother and father. They gotta be pretty dumb, since they didn't abort you.
 

altonb1

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Originally posted by: BigToque
Your ancestors came to this continent, pillaged, raped and murdered everyone who got in their way and believed it was their God given right and purpose to occupy this entire "new world".

Now you guys are complaining that you have a bunch of "illegal immigrants" coming into "your" country.

I think it's disgusting.

I'm part Cherokee Indian, so I am native. My history is not a black mark by any stretch.

The fact is, the American colonies were started as a way to escape persecution. Our holiday of Thanksgiving celebrates the cooperation of the Pilgrims and the "Indians"

Fast Forward: We are the only remaining superpower in the world. We offer Aid to just about any country that asks for it. The issue with immigration is ILLEGAL immigration. If citizens of other countries want to follow the laws and processes of the US and come to this country, then WELCOME! If they want to sneak across the border and then expect to have the same rights/freedoms/benefits of a citizen, well...I object completely. There is no way illegal immigrants should be able to come to the US and immediately go on welfare, etc.

But for the record...keep your butt in Canada and STFU. What is the last notable thing that CANADA has done recently? Hmmmm????
 
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btw, what does Canada have to be proud of its history? Gfranted, there's not as much to be ashamed of, but what sorts of things do Canucks take pride in their history?
 

BigToque

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Originally posted by: narcotic
Originally posted by: BigToque
Originally posted by: her209
So following your logic, it would be fine for "illegal immigrants" to pillage and plunder?

I'm saying Americans should feel ashamed of their past. Not proud.

We are.
ehm... what exactly are you doing on an AMERICAN WEBSITE forum though...?

I'm on this american website because a very smart young guy created a place for people with technical knowledge to interact.

There's nothing wrong with being proud that your country has accomplished what it has. It's roots are horrible and nothing to be proud of at all.

You guys have no right to complain about other people coming into your country.
 

narcotic

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Originally posted by: Ichigo
However stupid the OP is, the point is still a decent one.

The Mexicans just don't have the firepower to displace the Americans. Duh.

No no, you've got it all wrong, he's not stupid, he's Canadian.
 

TheShiz

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you are an idiot. most americans have nothing to do with the beginnings of this country, the floodgates of immigration did not open until later in america's history. i don't think anyone is proud of genocide, they are proud of the good things.
 

Forsythe

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Originally posted by: So
Originally posted by: BigToque
Originally posted by: her209
So following your logic, it would be fine for "illegal immigrants" to pillage and plunder?

I'm saying Americans should feel ashamed of their past. Not proud.

Because the U.S. has never done anything good for the world, and the disease depleted population of 'natives' would have done SO much more for the world.

I'm glad i detected the sarcasm, but i'm sad about the ending.
 

Al Neri

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im proud that this country has, in 220 years, become the greatest super power. England's been around since when, well we'll use Alfred the Great (first king of England) 871...

and i chose england, well, you know why
 

JM Aggie08

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illegal is illegal no matter what. how much effort would it really take to get legality and not risk it. this is a bullshit thread, because you most likely, are like many others who do not know fully the fine details of the matter.

IF IT IS ILLEGAL IT IS WRONG. what a difficult concept to grasp.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: BigToque
Originally posted by: narcotic
Originally posted by: BigToque
Originally posted by: her209
So following your logic, it would be fine for "illegal immigrants" to pillage and plunder?

I'm saying Americans should feel ashamed of their past. Not proud.

We are.
ehm... what exactly are you doing on an AMERICAN WEBSITE forum though...?

I'm on this american website because a very smart young guy created a place for people with technical knowledge to interact.

There's nothing wrong with being proud that your country has accomplished what it has. It's roots are horrible and nothing to be proud of at all.

You guys have no right to complain about other people coming into your country.

So why can't we just send them up north to you then? Canada has a bit more land with only a tenth the current population. Plenty of room. But oh... damn... Canada's immigration policies are even stricter than the USA's.

STFU troll.
 

scottish144

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Originally posted by: BigToque
Originally posted by: her209
So following your logic, it would be fine for "illegal immigrants" to pillage and plunder?

I'm saying Americans should feel ashamed of their past. Not proud.


So what did every European explorer do? The Spanish killed Mexico/South America and made them thier slaves, every other European country did that to some extent in Africa, SE Asia and the Carribean was brutally raped as well. Having said that, I will now whip out the lawnchair, :beer: and :cookie:

Edit: The Brits and French did the same things in Canada as well.
 

PingSpike

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Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
btw, what does Canada have to be proud of its history? Gfranted, there's not as much to be ashamed of, but what sorts of things do Canucks take pride in their history?

Their beer is pretty good.
 
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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
btw, what does Canada have to be proud of its history? Gfranted, there's not as much to be ashamed of, but what sorts of things do Canucks take pride in their history?

Their beer is pretty good.

my hamburger is pretty good too.
 

NatePo717

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Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
btw, what does Canada have to be proud of its history? Gfranted, there's not as much to be ashamed of, but what sorts of things do Canucks take pride in their history?

Their beer is pretty good.

Strip clubs?
 

engineereeyore

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Originally posted by: BigToque
Your ancestors came to this continent, pillaged, raped and murdered everyone who got in their way and believed it was their God given right and purpose to occupy this entire "new world".

Now you guys are complaining that you have a bunch of "illegal immigrants" coming into "your" country.

I think it's disgusting.

Let's see. According to records, earliest know visitors to Canada? Vikings. What do vikings do? Pillage, rape, and murder. After the vikings were done, who came in? The same type of people that colonized America. Darn those Canadians for doing the same thing.

As for what this has to do with illegal immigrants, absolutely nothing. Perhaps if you actually read about what's going on, you would know that. I have no problem with people from other countries coming in the USA, but I do have a problem with them working, not paying taxes, and receiving support from a country they are not a citizen of.

Let me know if Canadians are happy to support non-citizen who don't support the government of the country they live in. Perhaps I'll move over there if that's the case and you're so happy to do it.
 

narcotic

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This is what we have to be proud of!

Oh, say can you see by the dawn's early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight's last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O'er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof thru the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


On the shore, dimly seen through the mists of the deep,
Where the foe's haughty host in dread silence reposes,
What is that which the breeze, o'er the towering steep,
As it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses?
Now it catches the gleam of the morning's first beam,
In full glory reflected now shines in the stream:
'Tis the star-spangled banner! Oh long may it wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


And where is that band who so vauntingly swore
That the havoc of war and the battle's confusion,
A home and a country should leave us no more!
Their blood has washed out of of their foul footsteps' pollution.
No refuge could save the hireling and slave'
From the terror of flight and the gloom of the grave:
And the star-spangled banner in triumph doth wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.


Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave.
 

Babbles

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Originally posted by: KK
OP, how can you be proud of your ancestors, esp. your mother and father. They gotta be pretty dumb, since they didn't abort you.

:beer:
 

neegotiator

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Originally posted by: NatePo717
Originally posted by: PingSpike
Originally posted by: IAteYourMother
btw, what does Canada have to be proud of its history? Gfranted, there's not as much to be ashamed of, but what sorts of things do Canucks take pride in their history?

Their beer is pretty good.

Strip clubs?

not the ones i've been to, but i suppose i should do more research
 

Drakkon

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i dont think there is any civilization that doesnt have some form of raping/pillaging/murder in their history....its the nature of man to conquer other men, take their land, then have sex with their women. Animals do it too, a stallion of one heard will challenge a stallion of another then rape the mares once he wins.
In the history of the americans it was just a bit more brutal as we had guns at that point.
 

GuitarDaddy

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Your post is so ignorant I don't know why I'm compelled to reply. But here goes

1. Whether or not we are proud of our history is none of your damn business, STFU
2. You views on our immigration policy don't matter one bit, you are not involved STFU
3. An overwhelming majority of Americans are decendents of immigrants who came to America long after the events that you speak of.
4. If it weren't for us nasty Americans you would be speaking German or Japanese and working as a slave laborer and sending all your money to the motherland.

Go back to whacking baby seals in the head with a lead filled snow shoe, and once again
STFU!!!!!!!!