How can I hate the British less?

[HAL9000]

I can see how that was confusing - especially since I mis-wrote. I'd just written a lengthy post about gay bigotry and changed 'Israel hates Jews' to 'Israel hates gays'. Oops, thanks!

Hah, fair enough, I get confused by the number of debates I'm often in in here

 

[Craig234]

This is an interesting post, I think that it shows your want for the return of the UK Empire. I made no demand for the UK to go back to its bloodthirsty ways. I can now only imagine that the desire for some sort of white supremacy Empire is part of your subconscious.

You have a pretty sick mind.



That is the funniest thing that I've ever read. No, they didn't have a choice to keep their disgusting empire. The only thing they did was choose democracy for British people, but attempt to enslave and prevent democracy to non-British people.

Anyways, nice revisionist history you've got going there.



Of course you think they deserve praise - they killed billions of what you consider to be undesirable people.



Again, and now you defend the caste system. This is typical of many white supremacists - you use the caste system as a vehicle of your racism, and even religious discrimination, and a hatred of women.

Typical of many American liberals - they're liberal until it comes to European issues, then they become conservative white supremacists. US liberals need more people such as myself who reject ideas of white supremacism. You make us look bad.

So, your discussion approach is to lie about what I say, to use straw men?

I never said *you* called for a return of their empire - I commented about others attacking the UK, who you seem to ally with while not agreeing with on the issues.

You lie pretty completely about my positions - you claim I want a return to their empire I said there's plenty of reason to hate them for, that they were 'sons of bitches', etc.

You claim I praised their caste system, when I did not and in fact criticize the concentration of wealth, pointing out that it's higher in the US - so you're inconsistent.

In fact, your post is just such lies and crap, forget more response.

 

[HAL9000]

General question- How do so many find hating so easy?

It's a good question, for me there is certain distain for certain individuals that makes sense, and is often mistaken as hate.

Hate, as you say is quite draining. For me I reserve hating for something that is truly worth only.

 

[HAL9000]

So, your discussion approach is to lie about what I say, to use straw men?

I never said *you* called for a return of their empire - I commented about others attacking the UK, who you seem to ally with while not agreeing with on the issues.

You lie pretty completely about my positions - you claim I want a return to their empire I said there's plenty of reason to hate them for, that they were 'sons of bitches', etc.

You claim I praised their caste system, when I did not and in fact criticize the concentration of wealth, pointing out that it's higher in the US - so you're inconsistent.

In fact, your post is just such lies and crap, forget more response.

You've just reached the point I'm at with him. He twists and turns anything he wants into making the same three points. He will assume you feel that way if you try to debate the UK with him.

It's not worth responding to him.

 

[RabidMongoose]

So, your discussion approach is to lie about what I say, to use straw men?

It's not a lie, it's who you are.

I never said *you* called for a return of their empire - I commented about others attacking the UK, who you seem to ally with while not agreeing with on the issues.

Oh OK.

You lie pretty completely about my positions - you claim I want a return to their empire I said there's plenty of reason to hate them for, that they were 'sons of bitches', etc.

You put up a bizarre revisionist history of the UK Empire, that's for sure.

You claim I praised their caste system, when I did not and in fact criticize the concentration of wealth, pointing out that it's higher in the US - so you're inconsistent.

You protect their caste system with irrelevant points. I have yet to see you condemn the caste system. Instead, when the UK caste system is brought up, you start talking about anything but the UK or its caste system. This shows your true nature in that you ally yourself with those who promote racism, religious discrimination, and discrimination against women.

In fact, your post is just such lies and crap, forget more response.

You are a perfect example when it comes to the white supremacist personality of many progressive Americans. You can never find a fault with Europe because you see it as a white homeland. It has even made you support an institution that represents racism, religious discrimination, and gender discrimination. Thankfully, there are some US progressives such as myself that aren't into this whole idea of white supremacy. Good riddance, you cretin.

 

[Squall Leonhart]

You protect their caste system with irrelevant points. I have yet to see you condemn the caste system. Instead, when the UK caste system is brought up, you start talking about anything but the UK or its caste system. This shows your true nature in that you ally yourself with those who promote racism, religious discrimination, and discrimination against women.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw

 

[HAL9000]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste

The UK's not on that list.

We have a class system not a caste system, just FYI

 

[HAL9000]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw

65p Per Year, OH MY!

 

[RabidMongoose]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste

The UK's not on that list.

We have a class system not a caste system, just FYI

The British education system must be suffering. I guess austerity measures are cutting education so that the royals can still live in luxury. I had no idea that Wikipedia was the end all and be all.

The UK has a royal-peasant caste system.

 

[CanOWorms]

There is plenty to hate the British for in history. But they've set a global example of facing the choice between empire or democracy, and choosing democracy. Mostly.

They didn't make a choice between empire and democracy. They were defeated by third-world civilians. Their empire crumbled in a spectacular fashion. What they were left with is at best a pseudo-democracy.

They're not perfect, but have done pretty good. I'd say they deserve a lot more praise than criticism for that - as we face some of the same issue with global empire.

They were one of the most evil organizations to ever be set upon humanity. Would you claim that the Nazis deserve a lot more praise than criticism? Of course not, yet the British make the Nazis look like children. The British slaughtered hundreds of millions throughout the centuries and all over the world. Rare is a country that was spared British brutality.

 

[HAL9000]

The UK has a royal-peasant caste system.

No it doesn't.

 

[RabidMongoose]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhyYgnhhKFw

The sad thing is that it actually doesn't fully explain the cost of the royal family. For example, the royal family costs more than 40 million pounds - that's the number that the royals want you to believe.

And it goes beyond financial aspects, even into the mental state of the people. I do feel that if the UK abandoned its caste system and people there were allowed to have some self esteem and backbone, then you would like them a lot more.

 

[HAL9000]

The sad thing is that it actually doesn't fully explain the cost of the royal family. For example, the royal family costs more than 40 million pounds - that's the number that the royals want you to believe.

And it goes beyond financial aspects, even into the mental state of the people. I do feel that if the UK abandoned its caste system and people there were allowed to have some self esteem and backbone, then you would like them a lot more.

We are evidentially more confident with more of a backbone than you because we don't hate the way you do, and we are proud of who we are unlike you.

 

[Craig234]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caste

The UK's not on that list.

We have a class system not a caste system, just FYI

He sounds like a 15 year old who sniffed too much glue.

He's on the right side with a lot of his comments - opposing the terrible things the British Empire did, opposing caste systems - but just deluded and perverse in lying about what people say. And offensive and irresponsible. I'd suspect him of being a troll but he sounds too bad even for that.

 

[RabidMongoose]

They didn't make a choice between empire and democracy. They were defeated by third-world civilians. Their empire crumbled in a spectacular fashion. What they were left with is at best a pseudo-democracy.



They were one of the most evil organizations to ever be set upon humanity. Would you claim that the Nazis deserve a lot more praise than criticism? Of course not, yet the British make the Nazis look like children. The British slaughtered hundreds of millions throughout the centuries and all over the world. Rare is a country that was spared British brutality.

Craig just has a bizarre version of history, one where the British were generous benevolent people who just randomly decided spread democracy to the world, didn't rape and murder hundreds of millions of people, and just generally were pleasant to their slave colonies.

 

[RabidMongoose]

We are evidentially more confident with more of a backbone than you because we don't hate the way you do, and we are proud of who we are unlike you.

I'm sorry, but if an entire society reduces itself to peasant status, then that society doesn't have much of a backbone. I sure as hell wouldn't accept a caste system. It must take a people with a very low self esteem to accept one.

 

[Infohawk]

He sounds like a 15 year old who sniffed too much glue.

He's on the right side with a lot of his comments - opposing the terrible things the British Empire did, opposing caste systems - but just deluded and perverse in lying about what people say. And offensive and irresponsible. I'd suspect him of being a troll but he sounds too bad even for that.

I thought you said you weren't going to respond to him? At least have the integrity to do what you say.

 

[HAL9000]

He sounds like a 15 year old who sniffed too much glue.

He's on the right side with a lot of his comments - opposing the terrible things the British Empire did, opposing caste systems - but just deluded and perverse in lying about what people say. And offensive and irresponsible. I'd suspect him of being a troll but he sounds too bad even for that.

Very true, I'm against caste systems, obviously a lot of the things the british empire did were awful. Just like the Roman empire before that.

But the UK has no caste system, the UK has no british empire anymore, we don't do those things any more.

He needs to move on, like the rest of the world has. We are a fantastic country, we have a monarchy, which for the most part we like. They cost little, we have a democracy, we vote the laws into legislation that we as a nation support. So why argue? He doesn't like it? Tough. We are where we are at in terms of politics through choices the nation has made.

The UK and the USA are essentially the same, born from the same place, with some different ideas but that's fine, if we were completely the same how dull would the world be? The UK has got somethings right that the USA has got wrong and vice-versa.

/Discussion

 

[HAL9000]

I'm sorry, but if an entire society reduces itself to peasant status, then that society doesn't have much of a backbone. I sure as hell wouldn't accept a caste system. It must take a people with a very low self esteem to accept one.

Very few of our society classes themselves as agricultural workers, in fact I believe it's just the agricultural workers... :hmm:

 

[Squall Leonhart]

He sounds like a 15 year old who sniffed too much glue.

He's on the right side with a lot of his comments - opposing the terrible things the British Empire did, opposing caste systems - but just deluded and perverse in lying about what people say. And offensive and irresponsible. I'd suspect him of being a troll but he sounds too bad even for that.

Sniffed glue? What the fuck? What teenager sniffs glue? High off marijuana or stoned off cocaine, maybe, but not glue.

 

[HAL9000]

Sniffed glue? What the fuck? What teenager sniffs glue? High off marijuana or stoned off cocaine, maybe, but not glue.

You've never heard of sniffing glue? It's something that people do. Teenagers included.

 

[RabidMongoose]

Very few of our society classes themselves as agricultural workers, in fact I believe it's just the agricultural workers... :hmm:

It's part of the royal brainwashing of the people. I wonder if something is put into the water to make the masses have lower self esteem and to accept their lower caste position. Perhaps the royals put some sort of chemical compound into the water to accomplish this...maybe it also degrades the condition tooth enamel, which would also explain why British people generally have disgusting teeth.

 

[Squall Leonhart]

You've never heard of sniffing glue? It's something that people do. Teenagers included.

Sounds like a poor man's drug.

 

[HAL9000]

It's part of the royal brainwashing of the people. I wonder if something is put into the water to make the masses have lower self esteem and to accept their lower caste position. Perhaps the royals put some sort of chemical compound into the water to accomplish this...maybe it also degrades the condition tooth enamel, which would also explain why British people generally have disgusting teeth.

Nothing you want me to reply to? Just trolling? OK. Maybe next time don't quote my post next time.

 

[HAL9000]

Sounds like a poor man's drug.

That's exactly what it is. Stereotypically I believe it's what young teenagers with no money for real drugs or no access to real drugs.