How can a peace loving Christian NOT support gun control?

[Malak]

You skirted my point. If I am intent on harming you and your family, and you do not protect your family you have aided evil in harming them. You could have prevented it, yet without citing any evidence you claim that being a Christian means you aren't allowed to stop a torture, rape and murder.

You come from the assumption that only a gun could possibly stop someone. That is both foolish and ignorant.

Christianity isn't pacifism.

Christ knew that his teachings and society would result in conflict, sometimes violent. He did it anyway.

The violence, however, is against Christians, not from them. In our history we have only martyrs, not warriors. Catholics are the ones that like to bring the sword to enforce their religion.

 

[waggy]

Nobody is safe with a car.

nobody is safe anywhere or anytime

 

[Malak]

Instead of just responding to every query I want to make a statement of myself and how I feel in general.

I do not own a gun. I don't believe handguns to be a suitable form of self-protection, because they do not defend, they only hurt. If our country was under attack, and foreign soldiers were raiding our towns and killing people, have no doubt that I would go Red Dawn on them. I can go from sheep to Samson in that kind of situation. THAT is not the situation we live in. If an intruder attempted to enter my home, I have plenty of other means of protecting myself in my own home. Shooting the intruder is simply not acceptable, I'd sooner have him shoot me. I am not afraid to die, only afraid to live with actions I regret.

It is so easy for people to question how I would protect my family, but can anyone here claim to have shot and killed a man? Even police, protecting someone in the line of duty, have issues with this. Even men in the military, who's purpose is to do just that, have issues with this. Question yourself, that you are so willing to do this. It says something of your heart.

 

[JD50]

How can a liberal that supposed to be FOR peoples rights be in favor of gun control?

 

[blackangst1]

Instead of just responding to every query I want to make a statement of myself and how I feel in general.

I do not own a gun. I don't believe handguns to be a suitable form of self-protection, because they do not defend, they only hurt. If our country was under attack, and foreign soldiers were raiding our towns and killing people, have no doubt that I would go Red Dawn on them. I can go from sheep to Samson in that kind of situation. THAT is not the situation we live in. If an intruder attempted to enter my home, I have plenty of other means of protecting myself in my own home. Shooting the intruder is simply not acceptable, I'd sooner have him shoot me. I am not afraid to die, only afraid to live with actions I regret.

It is so easy for people to question how I would protect my family, but can anyone here claim to have shot and killed a man? Even police, protecting someone in the line of duty, have issues with this. Even men in the military, who's purpose is to do just that, have issues with this. Question yourself, that you are so willing to do this. It says something of your heart.

I understand and respect your position as it is laid out; however, guns are not just for shooting people and self defense. Are the majority of guns sold for that purpose? Probably. But, as you said, very few people in their lifetime would ever be in a position to shoot someone. Take yourself for example. As you laid it out, you have other options for self defense. Would you owning a gun take those options away? Just because someone owns a gun doesnt mean they will have to use it. (Im not trying to talk you into getting a gun BTW)

 

[Malak]

I understand and respect your position as it is laid out; however, guns are not just for shooting people and self defense. Are the majority of guns sold for that purpose? Probably. But, as you said, very few people in their lifetime would ever be in a position to shoot someone. Take yourself for example. As you laid it out, you have other options for self defense. Would you owning a gun take those options away? Just because someone owns a gun doesnt mean they will have to use it. (Im not trying to talk you into getting a gun BTW)

Ahh, but owning a gun gives options to the intruder. Even if it is in your hand, perhaps there is a struggle... it escapes you. Now your whole family is dead only because you owned a gun. See I can spin the stories just the same.

 

[Fear No Evil]

Instead of just responding to every query I want to make a statement of myself and how I feel in general.

I do not own a gun. I don't believe handguns to be a suitable form of self-protection, because they do not defend, they only hurt. If our country was under attack, and foreign soldiers were raiding our towns and killing people, have no doubt that I would go Red Dawn on them. I can go from sheep to Samson in that kind of situation. THAT is not the situation we live in. If an intruder attempted to enter my home, I have plenty of other means of protecting myself in my own home. Shooting the intruder is simply not acceptable, I'd sooner have him shoot me. I am not afraid to die, only afraid to live with actions I regret.

It is so easy for people to question how I would protect my family, but can anyone here claim to have shot and killed a man? Even police, protecting someone in the line of duty, have issues with this. Even men in the military, who's purpose is to do just that, have issues with this. Question yourself, that you are so willing to do this. It says something of your heart.

Hardly anyone outside of the military has shot and killed someone. Most police officers rarely draw their guns. So you seem to be kind of making our point that the chances of ever shooting someone are almost zero for a common citizen. Yet there are probably a 100 million guns in this country. So why would you want to take away the rights of people to solve a problem that doesn't exist? I question YOUR heart if you are willing to wipe your ass with the Constitution because YOU think guns are evil.

Also please detail your 'plenty of other means' to defend yourself in a home invasion situation using non-lethal methods. 2 people kick in your front door while your family is sitting watching TV. What do you do if they start beating your wife over the head with a crowbar? Give them a stern look? Ask them if they are Christians?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Ahh, but owning a gun gives options to the intruder. Even if it is in your hand, perhaps there is a struggle... it escapes you. Now your whole family is dead only because you owned a gun. See I can spin the stories just the same.

I'll take the 'chance' that an intruder will get my gun over the 'chance' that after they just kicked in my front door, saw me sitting there, and did not leave, that they will not hurt me.

You have an option to NOT own a gun if you think those odds are in your favor. But you want to take away MY rights to make a decision on how to best defend my family.

 

[Malak]

But you want to take away MY rights to make a decision on how to best defend my family.

No I don't. I want you to change your mind about owning a handgun.

 

[Nebor]

Ahh, but owning a gun gives options to the intruder. Even if it is in your hand, perhaps there is a struggle... it escapes you. Now your whole family is dead only because you owned a gun. See I can spin the stories just the same.

Yeah, but your scenario is silly and virtually never happens. I've been involved in two shootings (wherein I shot aggressors with a handgun.) Neither died, but they both needed to be shot. Had I not been armed, bad things would have happened to me, or others.

But as long as you're only disarming Christians, carry on.

 

[blackangst1]

Ahh, but owning a gun gives options to the intruder. Even if it is in your hand, perhaps there is a struggle... it escapes you. Now your whole family is dead only because you owned a gun. See I can spin the stories just the same.

Yep you can. And each spin fails to negate the fact that owning a gun =! shooting someone, nor does it prevent a Christian from keeping Jesus as their Lord and Saviour

 

[Modelworks]

I am for the government getting the hell out of my life. If I wanted to live with interference I could move to Cuba . I don't think guns, drugs, or anything else that is a personal choice should have government control. What I do in my own home that does not infringe on someone else right outside my home is my own damn business.

People take the , turn the other cheek , text out of context. It does not mean you should let someone beat the crap out of you or kill you and not defend yourself. It is in regards in how to treat people regarding forgiveness. Meaning if someone does you wrong, do not hate them, forgive them , and if they do wrong to you again, forgive them again.

 

[JD50]

Instead of just responding to every query I want to make a statement of myself and how I feel in general.

I do not own a gun. I don't believe handguns to be a suitable form of self-protection, because they do not defend, they only hurt. If our country was under attack, and foreign soldiers were raiding our towns and killing people, have no doubt that I would go Red Dawn on them. I can go from sheep to Samson in that kind of situation. THAT is not the situation we live in. If an intruder attempted to enter my home, I have plenty of other means of protecting myself in my own home. Shooting the intruder is simply not acceptable, I'd sooner have him shoot me. I am not afraid to die, only afraid to live with actions I regret.

It is so easy for people to question how I would protect my family, but can anyone here claim to have shot and killed a man? Even police, protecting someone in the line of duty, have issues with this. Even men in the military, who's purpose is to do just that, have issues with this. Question yourself, that you are so willing to do this. It says something of your heart.

I would have no problem shooting an intruder to protect my wife and 3 children. Question yourself, that you are so willing to NOT protect your family. It says something of YOU.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

You come from the assumption that only a gun could possibly stop someone. That is both foolish and ignorant.



The violence, however, is against Christians, not from them. In our history we have only martyrs, not warriors. Catholics are the ones that like to bring the sword to enforce their religion.

If I have a gun and you do not, you will lose. Then your family is mine. You keep glossing over that fact.
Just how are you going to stop me? I asked you before and you just ignore it.

 

[Malak]

I would have no problem shooting an intruder to protect my wife and 3 children. Question yourself, that you are so willing to NOT protect your family. It says something of YOU.

I have never said I am not willing to protect my family. You have completely ignored practically every post I've made in this thread.

People keep going back to the "protecting your family" point without any statement in response to my point that guns are not protection.

 

[Malak]

If I have a gun and you do not, you will lose. Then your family is mine. You keep glossing over that fact.
Just how are you going to stop me? I asked you before and you just ignore it.

I haven't ignored it. It's a silly point and I've made several responses as to why it is, but you haven't responded to them. You keep going back to the same point like repeating it will make it any better. You are justifying your own choices, not making any arguement against mine.

 

[RoloMather]

I do not own a gun. I don't believe handguns to be a suitable form of self-protection, because they do not defend, they only hurt. If our country was under attack, and foreign soldiers were raiding our towns and killing people, have no doubt that I would go Red Dawn on them. I can go from sheep to Samson in that kind of situation. THAT is not the situation we live in. If an intruder attempted to enter my home, I have plenty of other means of protecting myself in my own home. Shooting the intruder is simply not acceptable, I'd sooner have him shoot me. I am not afraid to die, only afraid to live with actions I regret.

I find it strange and hypocritical that you would kill foreign intruders of your country but not intruders of your home, both of which threatens your safety and the safety of your family.

Why not use non-lethal means to subdue the attackers of your country? Perhaps you feel that is not an effective option.

I propose to you that using non-lethal means to subdue home intruders is not an effective option either.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I haven't ignored it. It's a silly point and I've made several responses as to why it is, but you haven't responded to them. You keep going back to the same point like repeating it will make it any better. You are justifying your own choices, not making any arguement against mine.

No you haven't. I bring up a scenario which has happened, yet your counter is to the effect of "I don't have to do that" without answering how so.

I'm now up the stairs. Your 13 year old daughter sleeps and I'm on the other side of her door. I'm coming for her and you know it. After her, it's you other daughters turn.

You haven't much time.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Oops, she's dead, but she was a lot of fun. The 10 year old is next. Maybe I'll make you watch.

 

[RoloMather]

Malak pulls out pepper spray, gets shot multiple times, dies.

Daughters get raped and murdered.

More on the news at 6.

 

[Malak]

Malak pulls out pepper spray, gets shot multiple times, dies.

Daughters get raped and murdered.

More on the news at 6.

Statistically improbable. Besides, I keep the spray in the car.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Ah the rabid anti-gun nuts.

Gun control works great at making sure law abiding citizens have a difficult time at owning and buying firearms for their own protection and uses.

Meanwhile the local thug on the street who gives a rats ass about guns laws (Or following any laws as a matter of fact.) is happily packing heat with little to no concern about the moral implications of doing so in the first place.

Look no further then California and its draconian anti-gun laws at how well gun violence is eliminated by liberal attempts to ban all guns. Make sure to take a evening tour of Richmond and Oakland, California if you are from out of state and want to see the glorious joys of gun control laws on the books working to curve gun violence and lawlessness.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Statistically improbable. Besides, I keep the spray in the car.

Second child dead. I'm coming for your wife now.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Second child dead. I'm coming for your wife now.

She died while you watched. I won't go over the details, but you'll remember them for the rest of your life.

I decided not to kill you. You were nice enough to just let me have my way with your family.

I don't want to make a martyr out of you.

Well, you did the right thing after all and I'm sure you'll sleep the sleep of the Blessed.

 

[RoloMather]

Malak, I'm curious what non-lethal methods are available to stop armed (with lethal guns) intruders?

Keep in mind timing, accuracy, and range.

Things that will not work and reasons why:

Calling the police: too slow, your family is dead before police will arrive

Swords: no range, will not beat guns, not always non-lethal

Stun guns: single shot, not always effective even when used correctly

Pepper spray: no range, not always effective, possiblity of self damage