How can a peace loving Christian NOT support gun control?

[DuffmanOhYeah]

Hello, im really curious how some Christians can actually support people owning guns. The 2 concepts seem so fundamentally opposed to each other since Christian thinking is very much opposed to violence (eg turn your other cheek), yet some American Christians argue so fervently in support of the right to own guns? When they speak of Jesus its all about love and compassion, yet when they speak of guns they turn into a completly different person?? How is this thinking reconciled in their minds?

Just curious cause i'm taken aback by how people i thought were very peaceful turn militant when they speak of gun control.

could you turn your other cheek so I can shoot you in that too?

 

[Fear No Evil]

Your single example was invalid. There are non-lethal means of protecting your home. Guns are unnecessary in any situation.

If they are not needed in ANY circumstances in protecting yourself at home and non-lethal methods are good enough then maybe police should use these perfectly acceptable forms of non-lethal weapons as well? I suppose the military should as well.

There is no threat that a police officer will face that could also not occur in ones home or to a non-police officer in general.

 

[FerrelGeek]

It's not a tool that can be used as weapon, it IS a fucking weapon, period.

What are you so afraid of?

We're afraid of 'enlightened' tools like you who want to tell us what we can, and can't, have. Our constitution was set up to limit the powers of government and protect people from said government. A disarmed society is (sooner or later) a slave society.

Seriously though, I'm about as non-violent a guy as you'd meet. If someone breaks into my house, they can steal my stuff; it's insured and frankly, not worth dying for. However, if said intruder even comes close to threatening my family, said intruder will be given three choices: leave immediately or, death by .40 s&w, or death by 12 gauge 00 buck. I'd take no joy in doing so, but IMO, one takes on a certain amount of risk in illegally entering another person's home.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Your single example was invalid. There are non-lethal means of protecting your home. Guns are unnecessary in any situation.

If a criminal has a lethal way to attack you there is a very good chance that your non-lethal solution will leave you dead.

If I am armed, just what do you think will stop me from raping your wife and daughters? I'm looking for specifics.

 

[sandorski]

Could be related to the fact that most "christians" are very unlike Christ...

Pretty much. When they came to arrest Jesus, completely unjustified, Peter(IIRC) drew his sword to Defend Jesus. Seems to go against the very concept of Gun Ownership for Defense against the Government(which is another can of worms of Fail). If the unjustifiable Arrest of Jesus doesn't warrant violence, just what does? To many a Christian, taking away their Gun does. Does not compute.

 

[MikeMike]

If a criminal has a lethal way to attack you there is a very good chance that your non-lethal solution will leave you dead.

If I am armed, just what do you think will stop me from raping your wife and daughters? I'm looking for specifics.

Arguing with the ignorant will never get you anywhere... The dude dont even believe in evolution.

 

[sandorski]

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What is the purpose of the Sword? Was it to Defend against Animals or fellow Human Beings?

 

[Patranus]

Um. Gun control has nothing to do with gun violence.

More people die in car accidents than due to guns in the United States? Why not have "car control"?

 

[sandorski]

Um. Gun control has nothing to do with gun violence.

More people die in car accidents than due to guns in the United States? Why not have "car control"?

There is such a thing. Licensing plays a big part of it.

 

[Patranus]

There is such a thing. Licensing plays a big part of it.

And...*gasp*...unlicensed drivers kill people every day

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What is the purpose of the Sword? Was it to Defend against Animals or fellow Human Beings?

Probably to protect against Animals posing as Humans.

 

[sandorski]

Probably to protect against Animals posing as Humans.

Would seem to contradict other verses. The reason I bring it up though, is that in those days there was a real danger from Wild Life.

 

[sandorski]

And...*gasp*...unlicensed drivers kill people every day

So we should abolish Car Control?

 

[Fern]

Hello, im really curious how some Christians can actually support people owning guns. The 2 concepts seem so fundamentally opposed to each other since Christian thinking is very much opposed to violence (eg turn your other cheek), yet some American Christians argue so fervently in support of the right to own guns? When they speak of Jesus its all about love and compassion, yet when they speak of guns they turn into a completly different person?? How is this thinking reconciled in their minds?

Just curious cause i'm taken aback by how people i thought were very peaceful turn militant when they speak of gun control.

As has been pointed out, your premise is flawed. (think that reflects your somewhat flawed understanding of Christians and Christianity.) I wanted to add on to that.

So, I will remind you that Jesus beat the hell out of the money changers in the temple. But it's modern times, we Christians have traded in our whips for guns.

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BTW: if you really want to see (peaceful) Christians turn militant, bring up 'taxes' ("Ceasar" is out of fuggin control)

Fern

 

[waggy]

good idea. it keeps in the tradition of none violence and unarmed people.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." -Gandhi

Ironic that someone brings up Gandhi who said the act of depriving India of arms(guns) was the worst thing the Brittish ever did.

 

[shira]

Your view on Christianity is wrong, so the premise of your argument also is. Its not all about Jesus in a field with children and lambs. And please dont confuse violence with anger. Very different things.

What was Jesus doing with children? Hmmm.

What was Jesus doing with lambs? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Perhaps Jesus should have been fingerprinted.

 

[LunarRay]

Except Jesus did say something similiar.

Luke 22:35-36

Doesn't that mean Christians every should stock up on Guns? Or did Jesus mean literal swords? Should Christians take up fencing lessons?

You have to first find the "Verily, or Truly" depending on what bible.. or the greek... That is what Jesus is suppose to have said... It puts in context the bits folks pull out to sustain some notion they wish to argue...

In this case, Jesus asked the dudes "hey.. did you ever need anything while with me".. etc.. now he's asking them to help him... 2 swords were enough, but for what?... Jesus went up to the Mount of Olives for some reason, I guess to chat and asked them to stay awake, etc.. but not them.. they went to sleep.. then ... NOW here's the odd bit... Judas kisses Jesus... to betray him... someone cuts an ear off Jesus goes Poof and it all better.. but.. but... these Priests and Pharisees had been dealing with Jesus quite some time Including the High Priest.. they didn't need Judas to point out who Jesus was, they already knew... anyhow, Jesus said before all that.. that it was not time yet.. iow, hold the fort for me till I get done up there on the Olive bit... That is why he talked about the swords... Remember he fixed the ear so he no doubt could go swish and do in anyone who'd come to get him if he wanted...

Put in context what they write in the New Testament by first reading the Verily bit...

 

[LunarRay]

So we should abolish Car Control?

Hell no... :+)..

We've built in obsolescence ... we are dying the moment we're born... what's a day here or there matter in the greater scheme of things...

"Freedom is just another word for nothing left to loose..."

 

[LunarRay]

What was Jesus doing with children? Hmmm.

What was Jesus doing with lambs? Hmmmmmmmmmmm.

Perhaps Jesus should have been fingerprinted.

I suppose Parents are next? and Then farmers.... omg... don't you see the can of worms you've opened... IF Jesus should be printed... everyone should... and get mommy licenses and daddy licences and in the case of Moonbeam... spelunker licenses

 

[Triumph]

Hmmm, where oh where is the OP? Hasn't come back since page 1. Typical.

 

[LittleNemoNES]

What is the purpose of the Sword? Was it to Defend against Animals or fellow Human Beings?

I quit making excuses for the christian god a long time ago.
I was DEEPLY involved in apologetics + intelligent design a few years ago. I was active in various Christian campuses. And no, not pentacostal people. Methodists + Lutherans + Catholics.

I realized that really I WAS 'apologizinig' for all the crap that can only be explained in con-voluted explanations like 7 days being 7 epochs, the killing of entire groups of people to pave the way for the future coming of Jesus. The almost immediate domination of other civilizations by church officials.

Ignoring all the things that make no sense in the old testament because they are all auto-explained by jesus coming.

I could go on but I'm tired of it :\

Now instead of saving people from their impending forever belated deaths I find enjoyment in scientific advancement.
I believe that in the next 200 years there will be no more religion.

 

[sandorski]

I quit making excuses for the christian god a long time ago.
I was DEEPLY involved in apologetics + intelligent design a few years ago. I was active in various Christian campuses. And no, not pentacostal people. Methodists + Lutherans + Catholics.

I realized that really I WAS 'apologizinig' for all the crap that can only be explained in con-voluted explanations like 7 days being 7 epochs, the killing of entire groups of people to pave the way for the future coming of Jesus. The almost immediate domination of other civilizations by church officials.

Ignoring all the things that make no sense in the old testament because they are all auto-explained by jesus coming.

I could go on but I'm tired of it :\

Now instead of saving people from their impending forever belated deaths I find enjoyment in scientific advancement.
I believe that in the next 200 years there will be no more religion.

Hope you're correct. They'll probably just turn into a bunch of Couch Hopping Scientologists or something though.

 

[blackangst1]

It's not ever about Jesus on a hill with Moses gunning down evil people either. Guns don't belong in Christianity.

As a Christian, I wholeheartedly disagree. Thasts whats great about individualism-we can. I dont believe you have an ounce of scripture to back up your claim though.

Luke 22:36: Then he said unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one.

Genesis 14:14 And when Abram heard that his brother was taken captive, he armed his trained servants, born in his own house, three hundred eighteen, and pursued them unto Dan.

Luke 11:21: "When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace."

 

[LunarRay]

Hope you're correct. They'll probably just turn into a bunch of Couch Hopping Scientologists or something though.

Oh hop scotch... Religion is just a bunch of people doing what a bunch of people usually do... Some do good stuff and others do bad stuff...
One thing for sure, though... at least as far as I'm concerned, ya don't need Religion to accept God or Jesus or who ever or what ever is your fancy... You need faith!.. And when you do the view into religion of all types is quite interesting... History is filled with what religion propounds... Being baptized a Catholic and educated in their finest golden temples of study I often wondered why the folks in my parish were so poor and that church so filled with riches... made no sense... still don't.