Housing prices.

[Moonbeam]

Nope, remember you are the one supporting policies that cause these prices to skyrocket by using the power of government to prevent construction of housing.

You found the authoritarian all right - it’s you.

That's a good one. Support as you used it here is a transitive verb, your claim is that I support policies but I'm not the one supporting policies, you are. I am telling you that the policies you support, taxing old people who originally bought homes that have vastly appreciated at some current high rate is emotionally cold and disrespectful, not that I care. To support policies to me means you have to vote for them and as I told you I voted against Prop 13. I neither support nor have I supported in the past any initiatives good for me tax issues regarding property or anything else. I vote for what I believe to be good for the community and, in my opinion, you policies aren't that. I have explained all of this to you before and you keep trying to tie to the one advocating some . If I could actually support something it would be to end the economic need for a job as the only means to survive. I don't see it on any ballot.

 

[MrSquished]

oh look, a lot of people that ran from Covid did a stupid thing, and are now realizing it. GET US THE FUCK OUT!

 

[Indus]

oh look, a lot of people that ran from Covid did a stupid thing, and are now realizing it. GET US THE FUCK OUT!

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Lot of your friends.. the indian cabbies are moving to Indiana!

 

[MrSquished]

Lot of your friends.. the indian cabbies are moving to Indiana!

Good. Fuck 'em. Seems like they helped melt your mind though.

 

[Paratus]

Austin's apartment construction rate is 3rd highest in the nation

Austin has been in such an building boom that even a slowing rate of new apartment buildings is still one of the fastest in the country. According to a new insight report from RentCafe, the Austin metro area has the third highest new apartment construction rate nationwide, after previously...

austin.culturemap.com

@fskimospy

What a surprise. Austin is building out at the third highest rate in the country and its rent is dropping.

 

[Brainonska511]

Austin's apartment construction rate is 3rd highest in the nation

Austin has been in such an building boom that even a slowing rate of new apartment buildings is still one of the fastest in the country. According to a new insight report from RentCafe, the Austin metro area has the third highest new apartment construction rate nationwide, after previously...

austin.culturemap.com

@fskimospy

What a surprise. Austin is building out at the third highest rate in the country and its rent is dropping.

Color me shocked. When you build enough to meet and exceed demand, prices drop. Now if only local governments would let more housing be built in other places people want to live and work.

 

[K1052]

I lived in Austin and this is legit but also literally impossible without migrant labor.

 

[Greenman]

I lived in Austin and this is legit but also literally impossible without migrant labor.

You mean people that work for cash, aren't covered by workmens comp, aren't paid overtime, and can't complain about jobsite conditions? Those folks make the contractors buckets of money.

 

[K1052]

You mean people that work for cash, aren't covered by workmens comp, aren't paid overtime, and can't complain about jobsite conditions? Those folks make the contractors buckets of money.

At least 60% of the Texas construction labor workforce is undocumented. As for how at least some of these people are in the system we've been through that before. Generally competition for these workers is also quite stout so they are not really hostage to the contractors in the way that you think, if anything the contractors are hostage to them.

 

[fskimospy]

You mean people that work for cash, aren't covered by workmens comp, aren't paid overtime, and can't complain about jobsite conditions? Those folks make the contractors buckets of money.

Agreed - but the labor is absolutely essential so we should probably find a way for them to do it legally.

Or we could deport them and watch the industry tank. Galaxy brain move there by conservatives.

 

[K1052]

Or we could deport them and watch the industry tank. Galaxy brain move there by conservatives.

Florida did a lite version of what Trump wants to do and surprise surprise there are labor shortages, prices rose, and businesses are flirting with inviability. Conservatives are really willing to press the self destruct buttons on their economies.

 

[Greenman]

Agreed - but the labor is absolutely essential so we should probably find a way for them to do it legally.

Or we could deport them and watch the industry tank. Galaxy brain move there by conservatives.

The labor isn't essential. The problem is a society that's become lazy and helpless.

 

[fskimospy]

The labor isn't essential. The problem is a society that's become lazy and helpless.

Interesting.

How do you square that with near record low unemployment and near record high prime age labor force participation rate? Where are all the lazy people?

Labor Force Participation Rate - 25-54 Yrs.

Graph and download economic data for Labor Force Participation Rate - 25-54 Yrs. (LNS11300060) from Jan 1948 to Oct 2024 about 25 to 54 years, participation, civilian, labor force, labor, household survey, rate, and USA.

fred.stlouisfed.org

If the answer isn’t immigrants then you guys are really going to hate the option left to your generation, which is basically that the loss of payments to social security by immigrants will cause benefit cuts, which will force the elderly back into the workforce. Meanwhile this will drive up inflation due to increased labor costs.

Enjoy!

 

[K1052]

The labor isn't essential. The problem is a society that's become lazy and helpless.

Yeah, when has America ever had to import labor to get things done?

*cracks histrory book*

Oh...I see.

 

[fskimospy]

Yeah, when has America ever had to import labor to get things done?

*cracks histrory book*

Oh...I see.

What I like is whenever I say we should build more houses he talks about how regulations have made affordable housing construction impossible and then he’s like ‘let’s drive labor costs through the roof!’

But as always they will say they are only against illegal immigration. (While simultaneously fighting tooth and nail against more legal immigration)

 

[Greenman]

Yeah, when has America ever had to import labor to get things done?

*cracks histrory book*

Oh...I see.

The word "cheap" should be in there somewhere.

 

[Greenman]

What I like is whenever I say we should build more houses he talks about how regulations have made affordable housing construction impossible and then he’s like ‘let’s drive labor costs through the roof!’

But as always they will say they are only against illegal immigration. (While simultaneously fighting tooth and nail against more legal immigration)

So you're in favor of exploiting immigrants so you can have a nice home. Which one of us is the progressive?

 

[K1052]

The word "cheap" should be in there somewhere.

I fully support legalizing the current workforce and creating legal mechanisms for more people to come (and eventually become residents/citizens if they so decide). As opposed to people like yourself who seem to think we don't need them when we absolutely do.

 

[K1052]

So you're in favor of exploiting immigrants so you can have a nice home. Which one of us is the progressive?

The guy you voted for proudly did this for decades.

 

[fskimospy]

So you're in favor of exploiting immigrants so you can have a nice home. Which one of us is the progressive?

No, I am in favor of making it easier to come to the US legally to work as the US has a massive labor shortage that is only going to get worse in the coming years. If you think it’s best addressed by putting the boomers back to work in construction that’s fine but I prefer immigration. After all, we are basically maxed out on prime age people to employ so it’s up to the retirees to pick up the slack.

I’m simply pointing out the incoherence of you complaining about high regulatory costs while supporting high regulatory barriers to one of the largest cost factors in home construction.

 

[JD50]

So you're in favor of exploiting immigrants so you can have a nice home. Which one of us is the progressive?

He literally said he's in favor of legalizing the workface, as most of us progressives are.

 

[JD50]

I fully support legalizing the current workforce and creating legal mechanisms for more people to come (and eventually become residents/citizens if they so decide). As opposed to people like yourself who seem to think we don't need them when we absolutely do.

I wonder how he thinks houses will get built if the labor isn't essential.

 

[fskimospy]

I wonder how he thinks houses will get built if the labor isn't essential.

As far as I can tell he seems to think that there’s this big pool of lazy American workers sitting on the sidelines despite us being at essentially the highest prime participation rate in history.

Amusingly enough as time goes on we do have an increasing proportion of our population who is not working - the boomers. Sounds like he wants to get back in the game!

 

[JD50]

As far as I can tell he seems to think that there’s this big pool of lazy American workers sitting on the sidelines despite us being at essentially the highest prime participation rate in history.

Amusingly enough as time goes on we do have an increasing proportion of our population who is not working - the boomers. Sounds like he wants to get back in the game!

The problem is those unemployment numbers are fake and doesn't reflect the real unemployment number. Well, until January 20th, then all of the sudden the low unemployment numbers will be accurate again.

 

[repoman0]

I am fine with paying Greenman and his type to work on my house — back to work lazy helpless boomers.

Have to say the Brazilians working on my house for the past couple months are far more pleasant to deal with than the typical old white contractor guy so maybe I take it back.