Housing Crash #2 Under Way?

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Buy from US companies -- They then get bigger and offshore their operation for more profit. All those profits they made from you over the years were saved yet it is now going to another country. This is a common occurance with a lot of companies that started small but managed to move onto more volume.
 

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There were plenty of economists sounding the alarm well before the boom even started, while it was going on, and right before it hit. Choices we make is taking information and culling what seems like hype from what makes sense. Very few people make money guessing but rather educated guessing in this boom bust cycle investment banks create. It's a damn shame we all need to educate ourselves and can't just put our hard earned money in a CD for decent guaranteed returns that beat inflation like old model but that world is long gone.
Education has limited benefit here, too. There are many thousands of intelligent, educated, completely and pathetically wrong economists and investors. "The market can stay insane longer than you can stay solvent."
 

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Buy from US companies -- They then get bigger and offshore their operation for more profit. All those profits they made from you over the years were saved yet it is now going to another country. This is a common occurance with a lot of companies that started small but managed to move onto more volume.

Standard MO current govt economical and corporate incentive policies. I work for medium size company(5K employees), leadership is only interested in making quarterly numbers...

new Jim Rogers interview

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/marc-rogers-bernanke-disaster-who-will-bring-qe-back

"QE2 is gonna go away... QE3 is coming back, they may call it "cupcakes"... because this is the only thing they do..."
 
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werepossum

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Not me. I don't have the spare money for that ;)

I will sometimes pay for premier quality and it's often US but it often isn't. I am one of 300 M consumers and if I can get chinese made for $10 or US made for $14 I'll get the Chinese. That $4 stays in my wallet (in America), for something else anyway.
That's a decision each person has to make for him/herself based on needs, means, and personal preference. I won't criticize you for it, but I urge everyone who can pay the extra for American-made to pay it. Same thing for union made; some people will pay extra for union-made, so won't, and some avoid union-made labeled goods. Personally I'll go extra for union-made, but I'll examine the good closely, as sometimes union-made quality suffers and sometimes union-made quality rocks.
 

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As much as I hate the Republicans for prematurely imposing austerity and causing a double dip recession, as a house buyer, it is going to be simply beautiful :)
We got state layoffs coming too, it's going to be a bloodbath.
 

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As much as I hate the Republicans for prematurely imposing austerity and causing a double dip recession, as a house buyer, it is going to be simply beautiful :)
We got state layoffs coming too, it's going to be a bloodbath.

I agree with you there. I too hope to take advantage of the situation. I have my eye on a few houses that are just sitting on the market here near Philly. One house dropped $45k over a 3 month period since it came onto the market. Give it another month or so and they will be under more pressure to let it go....gotta get the houses sold before end of summer.
 

werepossum

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As much as I hate the Republicans for prematurely imposing austerity and causing a double dip recession, as a house buyer, it is going to be simply beautiful :)
We got state layoffs coming too, it's going to be a bloodbath.
Spending merely twice what we take in is AUSTERITY?

Wow. Just wow. Even by Magic Cupboard standards, that's a whole new level of delusion.
 

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Spending merely twice what we take in is AUSTERITY?

Wow. Just wow. Even by Magic Cupboard standards, that's a whole new level of delusion.

If you don't think the government cutting spending and laying off more people with 10% unemployment is austerity, you are the delusional one.
 

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does the case shiller index overstate market swings? it doesn't include the 5th and 6th largest MSAs, one of which has barely had house prices budge ever. it does include washington dc, which is kind of in its own little world. very strange. and i'd say houston probably is more indicative of markets in much of the country (say, omaha), than LA.

so, i'd really like to see a broader index.
 

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another good chart in this article

http://seekingalpha.com/article/274556-it-s-the-debt-dummy

Never has a chart shown why the country is such a mess with no easy way out. It was the early 1980′s and the Boomers were between 23 years old and 40 years old. Seventy six million Boomers were in the work force. Was it the chicken or the egg? The financial industry peddled debt as the solution to all problems. But, it was up to the Boomers to take on the debt or live within their means. Boomers chose to live for today and worry about tomorrow at some later date. There is no doubt what they did. The chart tells the story. Boomers can moan and blame and point the finger at others, but they took on the debt in order to live at a higher standard than their income would allow. This is why 60% of retirees have less than $50,000 in savings today. This is why 67% of all workers in the US have less than $50,000 in savings. A full 46% of all workers have less than $10,000 in savings.
 

werepossum

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Um, I'm a boomer and I have no debt except a very small motorcycle loan. And I have never advocated for a big government, nor government beyond its Constitutional bounds. Not to mention that we really started piling on the debt after the turn of the century.

Seems to me that we have a lot of liberals young and old who simply want someone else to blame.
 

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Um, I'm a boomer and I have no debt except a very small motorcycle loan. And I have never advocated for a big government, nor government beyond its Constitutional bounds. Not to mention that we really started piling on the debt after the turn of the century.

Seems to me that we have a lot of liberals young and old who simply want someone else to blame.


The boomers were the ones to vote in Reagen and the other people in Congress and keep demanding more and more as the debt rose.

Its our gen that is stuck with the boomer crap and has to fix it now.
 

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If you don't think the government cutting spending and laying off more people with 10% unemployment is austerity, you are the delusional one.

http://www.google.com/search?q=stimulous+misdirected

There was plenty of stimulus to wall street, problem is main street got left out. Like trickle down, stimulate down is a fail.

Same ole story, without demand at the bottom there are no sales, no new factories or stores open, etc how you get money to the bottom is the trick none wants to talk about. (trust me, demand won't voluntarily be given via trickle down/stimulate down schemes) Instead, Unionization, progressive taxation, tariffs, etc basically what was practiced from 1940s until 1980s where Americans were prosperous almost to bottom of society.

First thing we should have done after taking banks into receivership as law demanded was means test mortgages in the rear and give owner a check to pay bank instead of just bank gets the check. I can hear it now Oh Z you're a commie, no I just don't like money being used inefficiently, payment was there - but debt is still there and John Doe is not spending and probably evicted by now snowballing his neighborhood and your house along with it.

As usual, as we continue foolish failed policies, 'you have seen nothing yet' as Shiller confirms with his IMO conservative 25% drop projections.
 
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Trianon

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First thing we should have done after taking banks into receivership as law demanded was means test mortgages in the rear and give owner a check to pay bank instead of just bank gets the check. I can hear it now Oh Z you're a commie, no I just don't like money being used inefficiently, payment was there - but debt is still there and John Doe is not spending and probably evicted by now snowballing his neighborhood and your house along with it.
definitely makes sense, since the debt ends up being shouldered by taxpayer in the end anyway... but The Bernank et al was screaming "oh noes, inflation", and now... we still have inflation PLUS unresolved debt crisis.
 

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Um, I'm a boomer and I have no debt except a very small motorcycle loan. And I have never advocated for a big government, nor government beyond its Constitutional bounds. Not to mention that we really started piling on the debt after the turn of the century.

Seems to me that we have a lot of liberals young and old who simply want someone else to blame.

You are rare. Too many boomers wanted to set themselves up big time.

It really has nothing to do with 'boomers' though, even today's people want it all and don't want to share anything.

We lost our sense of community. Fuck me just this morning I had a Great Dane/Pit mix attack me and my dog. I sprayed him with pepper spray and some chick with big sunglasses in a busted up minivan with stickers all over it practically ran me down saying it's not the dogs fault, just run away.

Thank god for sudecon wipes. First time in 3 years carrying I needed them due to the chick forcing me up wind.

I personally feel whatever causes the USA to have more than a nation-wide 3 day blackout will make your neighbor your worst enemy.
 

Trianon

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You are rare. Too many boomers wanted to set themselves up big time.

It really has nothing to do with 'boomers' though, even today's people want it all and don't want to share anything.

Alkemyst, Zebo:

read(listen to the podcast) this interview, pretty good discussion IMHO. Touches base on questions highlighted above.

http://www.chrismartenson.com/blog/...at-currencies-devalue-accelerating-rate/58178

John Rubino: During the couple years before that, I had written a book on the coming real estate bust. I went into that piece of research with the idea that it was just the real estate market that was the problem. It would blow up and the US economy would go on as before. But as I dug into the research, I realized that we really had systemic problems. Things were much more serious than just home prices getting a little out of hand and mortgage money getting too easy. We were across the board taking on massive amounts of debt, which would inevitably lead us to do something extreme. Either we would collapse under all that debt and have a 1930s style depression, or we would inflate our way out of it, destroy the currency in order to pay back the debt in cheaper dollars, and have some kind of an inflationary episode.

I knew James Turk, the founder of GoldMoney.com, because we had done a couple of articles together. I had interviewed him and found him to be brilliant and also a nice guy. I approached him and asked if he'd like to write a book on gold and the dollar. He liked the idea and we worked out a deal. So we spent the next year basically putting that book together. A lot of the writing is mine. A lot of the really deep ideas in that book are his of course.


The timing was a little early. It was only by about a year or so. It came out in 2004, and the dollar went up for the year after that. So had it come out a year later it would have been perfect. Even so, gold was about $400 an ounce at the time. Silver was $4 or $5 dollars an ounce. So in the ensuing six or seven years, most of the book's predictions have come true. We have been inflating away the dollar in order to pay off our debts. That has been causing precious metals to go up, which is to say that precious metals have held their value while the dollar has been going down. This process has really just begun. The US has done nothing to manage its finances in the meantime. Things have actually gotten a lot worse, since we have clearly made the decision to try to inflate our way out of all of our debt.

Going forward I know there are a lot of other things going wrong in the world, but just looking at the US finances would be enough to lead you to say that the world was headed for some kind of a catastrophe. When it’s the biggest economy, the issuer of the world’s reserve currency, doing stupid things on this scale and clearly trying to destroy its own currency, you get a global crisis out there somewhere. That is really what we are looking at now.
 

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i went down down down and the flames went higher.

it's all the republicans fault... i mean the democrats.... nevermind i don't know who to blame anymore.
 

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bfdd

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You going to spam this everywhere?

The dollar has barely declined since this book, the commodity bubble is nothing worse than the housing bubble or the .bomb bubble. They didn't predict anything special, just threw a bunch of shit at the wall.

Are you saying the dollar has barely declined in comparison to what? The Euro? The pound? What? You do realize a lot of other currencies have been hit hard. If you want a good indication of how terrible our and the European currencies are doing just look at the Yens exchange rate history, and read about where the Chinese Yuan should be. Hell even the Korean Won. Western currencies are going down my friend, don't be blind.
 

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You going to spam this everywhere?

The dollar has barely declined since this book, the commodity bubble is nothing worse than the housing bubble or the .bomb bubble. They didn't predict anything special, just threw a bunch of shit at the wall.
No need to be angry ... I only posted it here because I think this adds to discussion. If you'd read more into it, you would see that argument is very valid.

in the other news:
Doing an outstanding job of coagulating conventional wisdom and making it seem his own, Alan Greenspan says Greece is "almost certain" to default. http://noir.bloomberg.com/avp/avp.h...//media2.bloomberg.com/cache/vZcSjVkAhzEA.asf
Always the 2-handed economist, Greenspan sees little chance of a U.S. double-dip recession ... unless Greece goes (which he earlier said was 'almost certain').
 
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