Housing Crash #2 Under Way?

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nonlnear

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florida is under an upswing now...

unfortunately our new governor now authorized insurance increases.

Some are seeing 50% bumps.

I just changed to a new carrier last year. Paid $150 for my roof inspection...the guy was there all day.

Two weeks ago Citizens ordered a new inspection, guy was there less than an hour.

My rates went up 15%.
Who do you blame for the mess that is the Florida home insurance market? What did you think of the legislation requiring that insurers pay in full estimated claims for (often fraudulent) sinkhole claims before repairs were even started? That's the kind of idiotic legislation that certain folks tout as "consumer protection". You wonder where Florida's insurance costs come from, and look to your legislators to stop the increases? You should look to them to stop causing the increases, not just to stop approving them. By the time the filings are complete the writing is on the wall. As much as some might like to believe that these big hikes are a gravy train for insurers, they aren't. (If you get ~5% raises year after year, they might be laughing all the way to the bank, but a raise close to 50% means they have been hemorrhaging money for quite a while, and probably prevented from filing their necessary increases by regulations that have nothing to do with providing for adequate reserves.)

Insurers have been leaving the Florida home market in droves because it's such a regulatory clusterfuck. Even with 30-50% increases some of those companies are still losing money. Not just making less money, actually losing many millions of dollars. You might not believe me, but think for a minute why you are with Citizens even though you imagine your rates are so unreasonable. If Citizens is writing your policy, it's because no company in the entire state thinks they can make a single cent off of you.
 

DirthNader

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florida is under an upswing now...

unfortunately our new governor now authorized insurance increases.

Some are seeing 50% bumps.

I just changed to a new carrier last year. Paid $150 for my roof inspection...the guy was there all day.

Two weeks ago Citizens ordered a new inspection, guy was there less than an hour.

My rates went up 15%.

My rates went up roughly 10%... I had the new, more stringent four-point wind mitigation inspection done last July when I put a new roof on the house.

I have a feeling that those who're seeing 50% increases (a number of my coworkers) are seeing those jumps because the new inspections result in some of their wind mitigation credits being dropped.

Not sure why someone would be there for an entire day doing a wind mitigation inspection though. Sounds like incompetence.

What really cracks me up is that existing home prices are so far below replacement cost. It causes some wonky things in the policies. For me it means carrying insurance for $25K over the value of my home (and lot).
 
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Trianon

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www.conkurent.com
April S&P Case-Shiller Home Price Index: 20-city index -4% Y/Y, the biggest drop since November 2009, -4% consensus, -3.8% in March. Home prices declined in 19 of the 20 metro areas tracked; Washington D.C. was the only market where home prices rose Y/Y. However, prices +0.7% from March for first M/M rise in eight months.

and more fuel for the fire

Mortgage fraud reports jump 31% - but apparently because big lenders are digging into 2006-2007 deals after having to repurchase bad loans; this according to a report from the Financial Crimes Enforcement Network. In geographies, Miami drops out of the top two locations to sixth, while California's No. 1 for mortgage fraud.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/mortgage-fraud-reports-climb-31-in-first-quarter-2011-06-28
 
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jhu

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Contract offer submitted. Listed for 850, offered 620. That's less than 100/sqft, ASKING price, with a pool/awesome patio. Let's see if they bite. Never been a better time to buy. 4.5%.

Seems a little high. We got ours for 3.65%