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piasabird

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This is not rocket science. Since the interest rates dropped for long term housing loans, the demand for housing has risen. With a higher demand for housing the cost of housing has been rising. It has gotten to the point that the housing prices have risen higher than the amount of money you can save by utilizing the lower interest rates.

The cost of housing industry has simply outpriced a lot of the demand; either that or most peole who could afford a house purchased one and now the demand is simply falling. If the house startups are fewer you can sell fewer houses for more money and then you can make more money by building fewer houses. Where is the incentive to build more houses than you can sell?

Economics is wicked and cruel!

Economics does not care if you are a member of the republican party or democratic party or from any other party. Economics is blind.

Quote:
Interest never sleeps nor sickens nor dies; it never goes to the hospital; it works on Sundays and holidays; it never takes a vacation. ... Once in debt, interest is your companion every minute of the day and night; you cannot shun it or slip away from it; you cannot dismiss it; it yields neither to entreaties, demands, or orders; and whenever you get in its way or cross its course or fail to meet its demands, it crushes you.

J. Reuben Clark, Jr.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: dullard
Private residential construction up 1.3% This creates a surge to record $666B level. January was up a meager 0.1%, so maybe the planned Jan spending was just delayed to Feb.

I love how they don't qualify the numbers. How much is in NOLA?

With Federal funding gone kaput, people are looking to other ways to rebuild in NOLA (like what Karl Malone is helping out with down there).

Unless we get more hurricanes, I don't see how construction can keep going.
 

Mardeth

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Housing market continued to point to a slowdown

Fresh data on the housing market on Monday continued to point to a slowdown, with pending home sales falling 0.8 per cent.

New home sales experienced their sharpest fall in nine years in February and inventories of unsold homes are at their highest level in a decade relative to sales. There was also a 3 per cent decline in the price of new homes sold compared with the same month last year. Realtors have been reporting that houses have been lingering on the market for longer and some sellers are being forced to lower their asking prices.
 

jlmadyson

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Americans buying record number of second homes-NAR

WASHINGTON, April 5 (Reuters) - Americans bought a record number of second homes for vacation and investment last year, some 40 percent of 2005 total sales, a trade group said on Wednesday.

And with baby boomers at the peak of their earning potential, the push to snap up vacation homes is unlikely to reverse soon despite a broader housing slowdown, the National Association of Realtors said.

The group said vacation home sales rose 16.9 percent in 2005 to a record 1.02 million units from 872,000 in 2004. Purchases of homes for investment, chiefly rental income, rose 15.7 percent to a record 2.32 million units last year from 2 million in 2004.

NAR said Americans snapped up 3.34 million second homes in 2005 -- 27.7 percent for investment and 12.2 percent for vacation. That was up 16.0 percent from 2.88 million in 2004.

Second home purchases also made up a larger chunk of the total, rising to 39.9 percent of total residential real estate transactions from 36 percent the prior year.

"The baby boom generation is driving second home sales," NAR chief economist David Lereah said in a statement.

"They're at the optimum point in life when people become interested in second homes, they're at the peak of their earnings, interest rates remain historically low and boomers want to diversify investments," he added.

The buyer profiles for the two types of homes were similar, the group said.

According to the report, the average investment-home buyer in 2005 was 49 and earned $81,400 a year. For those seeking vacation retreats or housing for children in college, the typical age was 52 and income at $82,800.

Americans paid more for their second properties as well, driving the median price of a vacation home to $204,100 in 2005 from $190,000 in 2004, while the cost of a typical investment property climbed to $183,500 from $148,000 the prior year.

"Vacation-home sales will remain strong for the foreseeable future given the fact that baby boomers are favorably positioned in terms of affordability, as well as being at the stage in life when people are most interested in making that kind of a lifestyle purchase," Lereah said. Continued ...

"On the other hand, investment home sales are likely to decline this year, in part because of higher interest rates," he added. Still, he said the long-term outlook for second homes sales was positive "because more people will be moving into the prime years for buying a second home."

NAR said 33 percent of 2005 vacation home purchases occurred in the Midwest, followed by 30 percent in the South, 20 percent in the West, and 17 percent in the Northeast.

In the category of investment homes, 38 percent were bought in the South, 24 percent in each of the Midwest and West, and 15 percent in the Northeast.

The NAR report was based on more than 11,000 responses to surveys to collect data on market share, buying activity, demographics and buyer preferences.
 

conjur

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Wonder how many of those were at 100% loans?

Gonna be a lot of foreclosed homes before long.


The rest of us could vacation really cheap soon :)
 

Slew Foot

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If baby boomers are rich enough to buy second homes and crap, take away their SS and medicare.
 

jlmadyson

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U.S. mortgage applications decreased last week-MBA

NEW YORK, April 12 (Reuters) - U.S. mortgage applications fell last week for the first time in three weeks, an industry trade group said on Wednesday, as a near four-year high in interest rates dissuaded consumers from taking out home loans.

The Mortgage Bankers Association said its seasonally adjusted index of mortgage application activity for the week to April 7 decreased 5.5 percent to 579.4 from the previous week's 612.8.

Borrowing costs on 30-year fixed-rate mortgages, excluding fees, averaged 6.50 percent, up 0.01 percentage point from the previous week, its highest since the week ended June 14, 2002 when it reached 6.53 percent.

The MBA's seasonally adjusted purchase mortgage index fell 4.7 percent to 417.7 from the previous week's 438.2. The index was also below its year-ago level of 474.5.

The purchase index is considered a timely gauge on U.S. home sales.

The group's seasonally adjusted index of refinancing applications decreased 6.6 percent to 1,532.4 compared to 1,640.8 the previous week.

Approaching 4 year high on 30-year fixed.

 

alent1234

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check out www.thehousingbubbleblog.com

they post a lot of good news stories and have good links

the big thing isn't the home prices, but people's ability to pay for their homes. Over the last 3 years a lot of people took out ARM's and IO loans because they couldn't afford the fixed rates. This year is the first year when a lot of the low teaser rates end and people's mortgages will be adjusted to a higher rate.
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: alent1234
check out www.thehousingbubbleblog.com

the big thing isn't the home prices, but people's ability to pay for their homes.

HUH? According to some here, everyone is making 7-figure salaries and have more money than they know what to do with (and they're having trouble paying?--sounds like hogwash to me)
 

alent1234

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a lot of people bought their homes based on teaser rates of ARM and IO loans. everyone thinks they are going to sell before they have to pay the real interest rate. you also have craziness in some markets where flippers buy up homes, resell to flippers who then resell to another flipper and somewhere down the line they hope to sell to a real person.
 

jlmadyson

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Sales of Existing Homes Edge Up in March

Existing Home Sales

WASHINGTON (AP) - Sales of previously owned homes edged up slightly in March but not enough to keep the inventory of unsold homes from hitting a record high as the once-booming housing market continued to flash signals of a slowdown.

The National Association of Realtors said Tuesday that sales of existing homes edged up a tiny 0.3 percent last month to a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 6.92 million units.

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The March increase followed a bigger 5.1 percent jump in February with the two months representing the first advances since five consecutive monthly declines.

The median price of a new home rose to $218,000 last month, a gain of 7.4 percent from a year ago. That price increase was far slower than the double-digit gains turned in last year as the housing boom was peaking.


New home sales data out tomorrow.
 

jlmadyson

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U.S. New Home Sales Rise By Most in Almost 13 Years, up nearly 14%

U.S. New Home Sales Rise By Most in Almost 13 Years (Correct)
(Corrects historical in first paragraph.)

By Joe Richter

April 26 (Bloomberg) -- Sales of new homes in the U.S. snapped back in March, rising by the most in almost 13 years and led by demand for less-expensive houses.

Purchases jumped 13.8 percent, the most since April 1993 and exceeding the highest forecast, to an annual rate of 1.213 million from 1.066 million in February, the Commerce Department said today in Washington. The median price dropped 2.2 percent from the same month last year to $224,200.

The figures come a day after a report showed sales of previously owned homes unexpectedly rose in March, suggesting an improving labor market is providing support to housing even as borrowing costs rise. Yields on U.S. Treasury securities rose after the report suggested Federal Reserve policy makers will keep raising interest rates to ensure that economic growth doesn't stoke inflation.

``Everything points to a strong labor market, and if people have jobs they will still buy houses,'' Ethan Harris, chief U.S. economist at Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. in New York, said before the report. ``There will be a gradual slowdown in housing, but the economy is still strong.''

New home sales, recorded when a contract is signed, are considered by economists a leading indicator of the housing market. Sales of previously owned homes rose 0.3 percent last month to an annual rate of 6.92 million, the National Association of Realtors said yesterday. Resales make up 85 percent of the housing market and are counted when the sale is closed.

The drop in the median selling price of a new home over the last 12 months was the first since December 2003. The decrease reflected a jump in purchases of homes priced between $150,000 and $299,999 and fewer sales of higher-priced houses compared with March 2005.

Economists' Forecasts

Economists expected new home sales to rise to a 1.11 million rate from February's originally reported 1.08 million, according to the median of 61 forecasts in a Bloomberg News survey. Estimates in the survey ranged from a 1.01 million rate to 1.18 million.

The number of unsold homes fell to 5.5 months' worth at the current sales pace from 6.3 months in February. The number of homes for sale at the end of March was a record 555,000.

Home prices probably will rise 8.7 percent in 2006 from a year earlier, slowing from a 13 percent pace in 2005, Freddie Mac said in a report April 10. That would be the slowest growth rate since 2003, when home prices rose 8 percent.

Sales rose in all four regions, today's report showed. They rose 36 percent in the West to 319,000; 11 percent in the Midwest to 194,000; 6.9 percent in the South to 633,000; and 4.7 percent in the Northeast to 67,000.

Federal Reserve

The Fed has raised its overnight lending rate 15 straight times since June 2004 to keep inflation under control, and there are signs that long-term rates are also beginning to rise on inflation concerns. The average rate on a 30-year fixed-rate mortgage rose to 6.53 percent last week, the highest in almost four years, Freddie Mac said.

Affordability dropped to a 14-year low in the fourth quarter because of higher home prices and borrowing costs, according to the National Association of Realtors.

``I am worried about the potential for a trailing-down process that gains some momentum'' in the housing market, David Seiders, chief economist of the National Association of Home Builders, said in an April 17 interview. ``I hope the Fed doesn't overshoot'' on raising interest rates.

The Mortgage Bankers Association's index of applications to purchase a home has fallen 11 percent this year through mid-April, and a National Association of Home Builders report last week showed optimism among U.S. builders at the lowest level in more than four years. Builders started work last month on the fewest number of new houses in a year during March.

Purchase Plans

The share of consumers planning to buy a home in the next six months fell to 2.7 percent in April, the lowest since November 2004, from 4.1 percent, the New York-based Conference Board said yesterday.

D.R. Horton Inc., the largest U.S. homebuilder, said earnings in the quarter ended March 31 rose at the slowest pace in five years. Orders for D.R. Horton houses rose 9.5 percent to 15,771 in the quarter, a third of the gain in the year-earlier period, the company said on April 11.

Rising mortgage rates are not only slowing home purchases, they're reducing mortgage refinancing, which has been a source of cash for consumers through the current expansion.

The unemployment rate in March dropped to 4.7 percent, matching a four-year low, and hourly wages in March were 3.4 percent higher than a year earlier, a government report this month showed.

Economic Growth

The economy probably expanded at a 4.9 percent rate in the first quarter, the fastest since the third quarter of 2003, according to a Bloomberg News survey before the April 28 report. Growth will slow to a 3 percent rate by the end of the year, according to a separate survey taken earlier this month.

Home sales will fall 8 percent this year, according to a forecast by Freddie Mac. Sales will decline to 6.9 million from 7.5 million last year, McLean, Virginia-based Freddie Mac, the second-largest buyer of mortgages, said in a report. It would be the first year since 2003 that sales were below 7 million.

Big jump, with small drop in median price.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big jump, with small drop in median price.
Yes, big jump in sales. But sales are still below what they were just a few months ago (this number is basically tied for the second lowest sales rate in my 9 month list). And that is two median price declines in a row.
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Big jump, with small drop in median price.
Yes, big jump in sales. But sales are still below what they were just a few months ago (this number is basically tied for the second lowest sales rate in my 9 month list). And that is two median price declines in a row.

Perhaps they are behind where they were a few months ago but a nearly 14% jump certainly bodes well for the current housing market, and spring/summer season is right around the corner. Nothing wrong with median price declines either, gives buyers more incentive to buy for one, and two prices have needed some correction imho.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Perhaps they are behind where they were a few months ago but a nearly 14% jump certainly bodes well for the current housing market, and spring/summer season is right around the corner.
It is that type of attitude which is EXACTLY why I started this thread.

Jan: 1.21 M
Feb: 1.07 M
Mar: 1.21 M "Hey look everyone, it went up big!!!! Etc."

My response: Basically nothing changed, February was a blip - nothing to be excited about, nothing to see here, move along folks. Month to month blips are not important. Larger multi-month trends are important (I'll let you decide whether a trend is present or not). And if you did want emotion, wouldn't 1.21 in all three months have been better? So if you do have emotional ties, you should be unhappy.
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
Perhaps they are behind where they were a few months ago but a nearly 14% jump certainly bodes well for the current housing market, and spring/summer season is right around the corner.
It is that type of attitude which is EXACTLY why I started this thread.

Jan: 1.21 M
Feb: 1.07 M
Mar: 1.21 M "Hey look everyone, it went up big!!!! Etc."

My response: Basically nothing changed, February was a blip - nothing to be excited about, nothing to see here, move along folks. Month to month blips are not important. Larger multi-month trends are important (I'll let you decide whether a trend is present or not). And if you did want emotion, wouldn't 1.21 in all three months have been better? So if you do have emotional ties, you should be unhappy.

That maybe why you started this thread but my attitude in housing hasn't changed whatsoever.

It is the same attitude Fed Chairman Bernanke has taken this year in housing, a soft landing, I believe that is exactly what this year will look like compared to last. I?ve yet to see this so called bubble bust as many have touted.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
It is the same attitude Fed Chairman Bernanke has taken this year in housing, a soft landing, I believe that is exactly what this year will look like compared to last. I?ve yet to see this so called bubble bust as many have touted.
A burst bubble means average/median prices fall. The fall must be sustained (ie multiple months) and must be significant (ie not just a 1% fall). What are happening to prices? That is the big question.

Whether the bubble bursts softly (a soft landing) or violently (a crash) is important too. But do you have any evidence that the bubble isn't going to burst even to a soft landing? Heck, even if the bubble doesn't burst and the 30% yearly price increases slow to 3%, then some people will be in a load of problems.

Take your best guess: Will next few years be 30% average price growth? 20%, 10%, 3%, 0%, -3%, -10%? Even if your answer is 10% growth, the 30% growth bubble has burst.
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
It is the same attitude Fed Chairman Bernanke has taken this year in housing, a soft landing, I believe that is exactly what this year will look like compared to last. I?ve yet to see this so called bubble bust as many have touted.
A burst bubble means average/median prices fall. The fall must be sustained (ie multiple months) and must be significant (ie not just a 1% fall). What are happening to prices? That is the big question.

Whether the bubble bursts softly or violently is important too. But do you have any evidence that the bubble isn't going to burst even softly? Heck, even if the bubble doesn't burst and the 30% yearly price increases slow to 3%, then some people will be in a load of problems.

Soft bubble bust now, is that what you are saying? I never said that, what I did say is a soft landing, if that is your idea of a soft bubble bust, so be it.
 

dullard

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Originally posted by: jlmadyson
if that is your idea of a soft bubble bust, so be it.
Yes it is, and it is the same idea that most people are touting that you are against.
 

jlmadyson

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Originally posted by: dullard
Originally posted by: jlmadyson
if that is your idea of a soft bubble bust, so be it.
Yes it is, and it is the same idea that most people are touting that you are against.

Compare that to what Chairman Bernanke has stated. I've stated that I believe there will be a slow down this year, but maybe not as drastic as some would like to believe, at least for this year. Call it a soft bubble bust if you like or a soft landing whatever floats your boat.
 

DealMonkey

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Opinions on the housing market are like arseholes - everyone's got 'em. And just like the stock market, you can't predict the future so stop trying, you amateurs! :laugh:
 

Darkhawk28

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I certainly hope their won't be a housing burst, because I would love to buy a home in the near future. But, right now, I can't pull the trigger because of rising interest rates and the cost of the houses themselves are truly a bit inflated.

I guess I, along with millions others, are in a holding pattern to see where it all falls into place.