House set to begin formal impeachment hearings

[fskimospy]

The talking points on this seem to be that they would have gotten away with it too if it wasn't for those pesky Democrats! Your insurance sucks today because the Democrats prevented Trump from fixing it for you, because they are EVIL! We could totally fix all the insurance problems with the magic of Free Market Capitalism if they would only let us. We could tell you our amazing perfect insurance plans except the Democrats won't let us. Due to impeachment.

'Look, I know last time we were in power we spent months pathetically flailing and coming up with plan after plan that would take insurance from millions in order to give more money to rich people but THIS TIME we totally have your back.'

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

They'll roll him out strapped to a gurney & heavily sedated if necessary.

They'll do that if the Senate removes him as well. A month ago I would have said that was a near zero chance, but every day the chances seem to improve. I think that "likely to remove" may be where we are in a week, although there's no way that there's going to be much said in public. Grassley certainly seems to be fed up by what must seem as a rebellion by McConnell.

 

[zinfamous]

Apparently, the Don in all his wisdom thinks he and the GOP can drown out impeachment talk by pivoting to healthcare. I guess they think healthcare is a topic that can bring back the voters. Like the public already forgot who tried to destroy Obamacare 4-5 times without any plan for a viable replacement.

I say go for it!!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1179736422242226176

This is a good idea. Distract from the criminal behavior that everyone knows he is engaged in with a topic that everyone knows he and the GOP don't understand, and only ever lead to disastrous results with the public.

 

[Moonbeam]

'Look, I know last time we were in power we spent months pathetically flailing and coming up with plan after plan that would take insurance from millions in order to give more money to rich people but THIS TIME we totally have your back.'

Just what sort of plan could anybody imagine they would come up with that would be good for health care recipients when the masters the Republicans serve is the for profit corporate healthcare industry. Jesus, the whole focus they have is to increase their own profit at the expense of those who need help if they get sick. It is people who might get sick who are the enemy. The whole idea behind for profit is to milk not to serve. The big problem, of course, is how sell getting milked as a good thing. You have to find enough healthy people they are getting milked now rather than later and that's a tough sell when we those asshole Democrats keep encouraging us to hear the screams of those who need some of the milk. Shit,, that milk was stolen fair and square. They can fuck off.

 

[K1052]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1179765359156629504

He's careening into the "I did it so what and I'll do more of it" line of defense before the polling is really clear (so far not looking good) what a lot of the country thinks about this and foreclosing GOP lines of defense. GOP senators in vulnerable seats are at tremendous risk.

 

[woolfe9998]

Surprised no one has posted this link yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/

Looks like the call transcript may have been edited in a deceptive way.

 

[fskimospy]

Surprised no one has posted this link yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/

Looks like the call transcript may have been edited in a deceptive way.

I think people should treat it not as a possibility, but as a probability. This administration lies about EVERYTHING, even things that don't matter. The odds of them lying about something of consequence like this are extremely high.

We know the call was supposed to be around 30 minutes and what's on the pages there only represents somewhere around 10 minutes of those 30. Considering other reporting has Trump asking the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden over and over it's likely a bunch of those were cut out.

 

[nOOky]

I refuse to believe that the transcript would be edited in any way, who really thinks they'd try to cover up a cover up with even more lies? The administration has far more integrity than that.

 

[UNCjigga]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1179765359156629504

He's careening into the "I did it so what and I'll do more of it" line of defense before the polling is really clear (so far not looking good) what a lot of the country thinks about this and foreclosing GOP lines of defense. GOP senators in vulnerable seats are at tremendous risk.

“But...NO PRESSURE!”

 

[UNCjigga]

I refuse to believe that the transcript would be edited in any way, who really thinks they'd try to cover up a cover up with even more lies? The administration has far more integrity than that.

ROFL

 

[K1052]

I refuse to believe that the transcript would be edited in any way, who really thinks they'd try to cover up a cover up with even more lies? The administration has far more integrity than that.

heh

There is a way to find out. The House should subpoena any other transcripts of the call. The WH will either have to exert privilege, hand over such transcripts, or say there are none which if untrue would require several people to commit a crime and be vulnerable to leaks to the contrary.

 

[hal2kilo]

I refuse to believe that the transcript would be edited in any way, who really thinks they'd try to cover up a cover up with even more lies? The administration has far more integrity than that.

Forgot /s.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Surprised no one has posted this link yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/

Looks like the call transcript may have been edited in a deceptive way.

As far as I know there is no transcript, in fact, the released document says it's not. Edited? Well, non-verbatim is by definition edited. In that case, it can only be assumed to be biased on behalf of the party authorizing it especially with someone like Trump.

 

[woolfe9998]

I think people should treat it not as a possibility, but as a probability. This administration lies about EVERYTHING, even things that don't matter. The odds of them lying about something of consequence like this are extremely high.

We know the call was supposed to be around 30 minutes and what's on the pages there only represents somewhere around 10 minutes of those 30. Considering other reporting has Trump asking the Ukrainian president to investigate Biden over and over it's likely a bunch of those were cut out.

Agree 100%. I just assumed this would happen. One thing I would point out as particularly reprehensible is for Trump and his goon squad to claim that the whistleblower was wrong about there having been 8 mentions of Biden in the call when we have a summary which covers only a third of the conversation.

 

[K1052]

As far as I know there is no transcript, in fact, the released document says it's not. Edited? Well, non-verbatim is by definition edited. In that case, it can only be assumed to be biased on behalf of the party authorizing it especially with someone like Trump.

That they released a presumably edited account of the call which provides clear evidence of an impeachable act with the expectation that it would prove exculpatory is maybe the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

This is a good idea. Distract from the criminal behavior that everyone knows he is engaged in with a topic that everyone knows he and the GOP don't understand, and only ever lead to disastrous results with the public.

Healthcare is like immigration Trump is the only guy at this time who would be able to sell Republicans on doing something big. Something big means fixing most of the problems and setting up new systems either wall for total immigration reform with citizenship for people who are already here or big as in Medicare gets to negotiate drug prices and treatment costs, maybe even an option for regular people to buy into Medicare.
Sadly the President doesn’t like to put his time into anything

 

[Jhhnn]

Surprised no one has posted this link yet:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2019/10/03/odd-markings-ellipses-fuel-doubts-about-rough-transcript-trumps-ukraine-call/

Looks like the call transcript may have been edited in a deceptive way.

Yet the transcript is still utterly damning. There's not enough lipstick in the world to make that pig look good.

 

[fskimospy]

That they released a presumably edited account of the call which provides clear evidence of an impeachable act with the expectation that it would prove exculpatory is maybe the most amazing thing I've ever seen.

The only thing that makes sense to me is that Trump does this sort of thing so often it really seemed normal to him.

 

[trenchfoot]

Jeeeebus ... I thought that maybe there was a small chance that Pompeo was one of the grownups ... is he knee deep in all the criming too?

It's like Trump is in an elevator with his henchmen and he squeezes out the mother of all hellacious death farts a few seconds before the next stop. So when the people on the next floor gets the inevitable tear rendering jet blast as the door opens, everyone already in the elevator is suspect because everybody in there is making side eyes at each other.

 

[woolfe9998]

Yet the transcript is still utterly damning. There's not enough lipstick in the world to make that pig look good.

Yes it is, which only makes me want to see the parts they edited out even more.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

As far as I know there is no transcript, in fact, the released document says it's not. Edited? Well, non-verbatim is by definition edited. In that case, it can only be assumed to be biased on behalf of the party authorizing it especially with someone like Trump.

I heard something about this when it began from a translator or something. Appearently on really important stuff there are a lot of pauses and that generates talk that isn’t important to the context of the discussion because the translators want to be certain they understand the context of what was said. I can’t remember the number he gave but important conversation with two sets of translators are very slow conversations. Doesn’t work like it does in the movies or the way we imagine it works. Transcribers will remove stuff that has no value like ummm...

 

[SMOGZINN]

As far as I know there is no transcript

Per the Whistleblower report there is a word for word transcript, because it is standard procedure to produce one. This is just not it.

 

[Jaskalas]

Trump Publicly Asks ANOTHER Foreign Power for Election Help
China ‘Should Start an Investigation Into the Bidens’

The world, according to Trump. Other nations should win him these elections. I guess cause it happened once already.

 

[hal2kilo]

Trump Publicly Asks ANOTHER Foreign Power for Election Help
China ‘Should Start an Investigation Into the Bidens’

The world, according to Trump. Other nations should win him these elections. I guess cause it happened once already.

He's lost all cares, as Republicans stand silently by. Maybe they've given up, and are supplying rope. Nah.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

I heard something about this when it began from a translator or something. Appearently on really important stuff there are a lot of pauses and that generates talk that isn’t important to the context of the discussion because the translators want to be certain they understand the context of what was said. I can’t remember the number he gave but important conversation with two sets of translators are very slow conversations. Doesn’t work like it does in the movies or the way we imagine it works. Transcribers will remove stuff that has no value like ummm...

I read the statement aloud at a painfully slow rate, perhaps 1/4 normal speech. I then watched videos of conversations from the UN to judge how long a diplomatic translation takes. Suffice it to say that there is no reason to believe that this exchange took as long as stated even allowing for translations and communication lags. I allow that there were multiple holds where Pompeo and others discussed what Trump would be saying but that makes it worse, not better.