House set to begin formal impeachment hearings

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[ultimatebob]

They should modernize that song for 2020:

"I'm a bill, a crummy bill. Filled with things that make Republicans Ill. I don't stand a chance to pass, but I got sent to the Senate anyway just to be an ass..."

 

[ch33zw1z]

They should modernize that song for 2020:

"I'm a bill, a crummy bill. Filled with things that make Republicans Ill. I don't stand a chance to pass, but I got sent to the Senate anyway just to be an ass..."

haha, hope that's not due to a pre-existing condition.

 

[TheVrolok]

Nm, someone best me to it and I missed it.

 

[TheVrolok]

Ummmm... This is getting very interesting very fast. Lawyers don't usually make claims like this in open court if they can't back it up.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230212104499728395

But wait, there's more.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1230201588444094464

Call me jaded, but I have little to no doubt this is true (and it's not a new allegation), but the Senate has already said that they don't care if the President abuse his power for political gain soooo... I mean, it doesn't really matter. I don't see this changing the minds of any voters either.

 

[Brainonska511]

They should modernize that song for 2020:

"I'm a bill, a crummy bill. Filled with things that make Republicans Ill. I don't stand a chance to pass, but I got sent to the Senate anyway just to be an ass..."

The Senate could always debate and pass their own version to send to the House. If you want compromise, why not point that same finger at the Republicans, whose version of compromise is "I get all I want and you get crumbs or nothing"

 

[Jhhnn]

The Senate could always debate and pass their own version to send to the House. If you want compromise, why not point that same finger at the Republicans, whose version of compromise is "I get all I want and you get crumbs or nothing"

But Trump says they're do-nothing Democrats. Go figure.

 

[IronWing]

But Trump says they're do-nothing Democrats. Go figure.

Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them was published in 2003. The Republicans haven't exactly developed an honesty streak since that time.

 

[zinfamous]

Call me jaded, but I have little to no doubt this is true (and it's not a new allegation), but the Senate has already said that they don't care if the President abuse his power for political gain soooo... I mean, it doesn't really matter. I don't see this changing the minds of any voters either.

well, the right-wing terrorists that support Trump pretty much treat Assange as some noble hero (also explains their undefined Putin worship), so if anything, it would probably confuse them for a spell to hear that the one hero is vocally confirming that he aided Trump in doing the thoroughly-supported instances of Trump-Russia collusion to disenfranchise their votes, and the entirety of the United States.

I mean, it will confuse them for a little while. A few hours later, after some instantly-edited videos deposited through the Trump Derposphere, they will have the explanation they need to convince themselves that Assange is still the hero/martyr doing all the things that are needed to be done to insure that the Chosen remains King Dictator and whatever Trump does, anyway, is always right so who cares?

...I'm gonna start drinking from our dd water, and maybe also our Milli-Q system for the next couple of weeks to see if it somehow engenders such dumbfuck thoughts in my head, as well. I'm wondering if that is one of the sources of right wing lunacy?

 

[esquared]

Call me jaded, but I have little to no doubt this is true (and it's not a new allegation), but the Senate has already said that they don't care if the President abuse his power for political gain soooo... I mean, it doesn't really matter. I don't see this changing the minds of any voters either.

Already admitted its true.

Rohrabacher confirms he offered Trump pardon to Assange for proof Russia didn't hack DNC email

Former congressman Dana Rohrabacher confirmed to Yahoo News he told Julian Assange President Trump would pardon him if he turned over information proving Russians weren't the source of Democratic emails published by WikiLeaks.

news.yahoo.com

 

[hal2kilo]

More stuff the nobody cares about anymore... Remember Pompeo the guy that's been hiding in Africa.

Pompeo appeared to coordinate with Giuliani on Ukraine, new documents show

 

[zinfamous]

More stuff the nobody cares about anymore... Remember Pompeo the guy that's been hiding in Africa.

Pompeo appeared to coordinate with Giuliani on Ukraine, new documents show

Isn't it strange how everything that the whistleblower claimed and House witnesses testified to has been repeatedly confirmed by the very people that have been accused?
Especially when the GOP was first arguing that these would be very bad things indeed and too bad there isn't any evidence for it and oh but now that there is we really don't care and the people testifying truthfully about the crimes should be the ones punished because fuck you, USA.

 

[Brainonska511]

Remember when Trump's defense was arguing that the House merely had to go to court to enforce their subpoenas?

Court Rules Congress Cannot Sue to Force Executive Branch Officials to Testify (Published 2020)

An appeals court dismissed a lawsuit brought by the House Judiciary Committee against President Trump’s former White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II.

www.nytimes.com

WASHINGTON — A federal appeals court on Friday ruled that Congress cannot sue to enforce its subpoenas of executive branch officials, delivering a major victory to President Trump and undermining the ability of Congress to conduct oversight of the government.

In a two-to-one ruling, a panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia dismissed a lawsuit brought by the House Judiciary Committee against Mr. Trump’s former White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II, after he defied its subpoena seeking to force him to testify about Mr. Trump’s efforts to obstruct the Russia investigation.

Edit:
I wonder what would happen if the House just used its inherent contempt powers to lock someone up from the Executive branch till they testified. I would imagine that they would want to be logically consistent and not get involved in such a dispute between the House and the Executive (LOL).

 

[ivwshane]

This seems like a really horrible ruling and one that sets a very bad precedent if it is allowed to stand.

 

[interchange]

This seems like a really horrible ruling and one that sets a very bad precedent if it is allowed to stand.

The irony is that the ruling means that the way to resolve such a dispute when it involves the President's conduct is to remove them from office. Let's do the Impeachment hearing all over again.

 

[NWRMidnight]

Remember when Trump's defense was arguing that the House merely had to go to court to enforce their subpoenas?

Court Rules Congress Cannot Sue to Force Executive Branch Officials to Testify (Published 2020)

An appeals court dismissed a lawsuit brought by the House Judiciary Committee against President Trump’s former White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II.

www.nytimes.com

Edit:
I wonder what would happen if the House just used its inherent contempt powers to lock someone up from the Executive branch till they testified. I would imagine that they would want to be logically consistent and not get involved in such a dispute between the House and the Executive (LOL).

In all regards, todays ruling, if it stands also removed the ability for the house to use the stg at arms to enforce their inherent contempt powers against the white house because that authority was granted by the courts in 1821. If they don't have the authority today, how did they have it back then to make such a ruling?

Todays ruling just made the President and his administration untouchable since the GOP Senate won't do anything about it.

 

[VRAMdemon]

Remember when Trump's defense was arguing that the House merely had to go to court to enforce their subpoenas?

Court Rules Congress Cannot Sue to Force Executive Branch Officials to Testify (Published 2020)

An appeals court dismissed a lawsuit brought by the House Judiciary Committee against President Trump’s former White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II.

www.nytimes.com

Edit:
I wonder what would happen if the House just used its inherent contempt powers to lock someone up from the Executive branch till they testified. I would imagine that they would want to be logically consistent and not get involved in such a dispute between the House and the Executive (LOL).

An appeals court dismissed a lawsuit brought by the House Judiciary Committee against Don McGahn, ruling that Congress cannot sue to enforce its subpoenas.

Time to start jailing people for contempt, then.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Time to start jailing people for contempt, then.

i imagine it will be appealed up to SCOTUS, because that essentially allows the president to obstruct congressional investigations.

 

[fskimospy]

So basically this court is saying that the only way Congress has to compel this sort of testimony is by immiserating their own constituents until the president gives in. Which of course means they are powerless if the president just doesn’t give a shit.

What an insanely bad idea.

 

[brycejones]

So basically this court is saying that the only way Congress has to compel this sort of testimony is by immiserating their own constituents until the president gives in. Which of course means they are powerless if the president just doesn’t give a shit.

What an insanely bad idea.

I guess conservative legal theory has moved from calling balls and strikes to fuck it don’t ask us to be umpires.

 

[VRAMdemon]

i imagine it will be appealed up to SCOTUS, because that essentially allows the president to obstruct congressional investigations.

Barring a SCOTUS rescue or a constitutional amendment, the concept of legislative oversight is dead. Welcome to the dictatorship. SCOTUS needs to make this the law of the land is decline to take up any appeal. The whole thing happened with barely a whisper. We fiddle while Rome burns. It's horrible to watch.

 

[Zivic]

Remember when Trump's defense was arguing that the House merely had to go to court to enforce their subpoenas?

Court Rules Congress Cannot Sue to Force Executive Branch Officials to Testify (Published 2020)

An appeals court dismissed a lawsuit brought by the House Judiciary Committee against President Trump’s former White House counsel, Donald F. McGahn II.

www.nytimes.com

Edit:
I wonder what would happen if the House just used its inherent contempt powers to lock someone up from the Executive branch till they testified. I would imagine that they would want to be logically consistent and not get involved in such a dispute between the House and the Executive (LOL).

This ruling further shows that the impeachment was a scam.

Spin it however you want, but at the end of the day it confirms that there was no obstruction...

Also looks like Ukraine is investigating Biden....

 

[UNCjigga]

This ruling further shows that the impeachment was a scam.

Spin it however you want, but at the end of the day it confirms that there was no obstruction...

Also looks like Ukraine is investigating Biden....

You do realize that this ruling has no bearing on the validity of impeachment, right? Nothing to do with obstruction or lack thereof? Of course you don’t, rube.

 

[ch33zw1z]

You do realize that this ruling has no bearing on the validity of impeachment, right? Nothing to do with obstruction or lack thereof? Of course you don’t, rube.

I think he was being sarcastic?

 

[Jhhnn]

I doubt the ruling will hold up to En Banc review. Trump got lucky with the 3 judge panel.