House narrowly defeats bill to curb NSA spying

[Chiropteran]

I was reading comments on SFGate about "free" WiFi from Google coming to SF and reading comments regarding this. The progressives were very much in favor of 'free' WiFi from Google and very much opposed to programs to PRISM.

There is a difference between potentially giving up a little privacy for a nice free service vs giving up all privacy for everything including services you pay for personally and directly without any choice.

 

[Golgatha]

Looks like we have 205 traitors in the house.

Fixed that for you.

 

[Golgatha]

My son of a bitch Congressman voted to retain the NSA spying, the asshole.

Vote, please vote.

 

[DeadFred]

Well that sucks, but at least my republican congressman correctly voted yes.

 

[fskimospy]

Its funny.

I was reading comments on SFGate about "free" WiFi from Google coming to SF and reading comments regarding this. The progressives were very much in favor of 'free' WiFi from Google and very much opposed to programs to PRISM.

The progressive was unable to make the connection. Quite laughable.

That you would think there is a connection is laughable. You choose to use Google's wi-fi, you don't choose to have the NSA spy on you.

How is this hard to understand.

 

[DCal430]

Fixed that for you.

So I see you too support keeping the NSA program.

🙂

 

[sm625]

Shit! I mean sorry mr NSA guy reading this

They dont have a human read through all of it. They just archive it all and then run searches whenever a client (usually wall street) wants to run a keyword search. The database exist for one purpose and one purpose only: making money. They want to steal any new ideas that come along. Any information that is valuable in a fiscal sense, that is what they are after. Picture a bunch of chinese stealing any piece of IP that isnt nailed down. Hell they probably sell access to the chinese too..

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Most of the reps from my state voted against it. But the most telling piece of this legislation is that the higher-ups from both parties wanted to leave NSA spying in place. The one bi-partisan issue our elected officials can agree on is the one that sounds as unAmerican as anything that came about during McCarthyism or Hoover's tenure in the FBI. That's really, really sad.

 

[Darwin333]

Looks like we have 205 potential traitors in the house.

Are you seriously saying that Congressmen who took their oath to uphold the Constitution are traitors for doing so? That is beyond retarded..

 

[werepossum]

http://politics.nytimes.com/congress/votes/113/house/1/412 explain to me a yes vote they support restriction or not? I may have to get the tar and feathers going.

Wow! EVERY Tennessee Republican and one of our two Democrats voted yes! Makes me feel a bit better.

Thanks for the link.

 

[BurnItDwn]

Do not attribute to malice that which can easily be attributed to incompetence. Perhaps congress is simply full of foolish idiotic morons. They let the money do all their talking and do not posess the ability to perform thoughts or analysis on their own.

 

[OutHouse]

My son of a bitch Congressman voted to retain the NSA spying, the asshole.

write him and remind him he represents the people of his district not the president.

 

[OutHouse]

Yes = "Yes, pass the bill".
No = "No, don't pass the bill."

So in this case Yes = kill NSA surveillance, no = keep it alive. My Congressman voted no. I doubt it'll make a difference, but I'll be writing letters over this.

good for you, i wish more people did this maybe the asses on the hill will be reminded who they represent.

 

[Fern]

Well that sucks, but at least my republican congressman correctly voted yes.

Same here.

Fern

 

[werepossum]

Do not attribute to malice that which can easily be attributed to incompetence. Perhaps congress is simply full of foolish idiotic morons. They let the money do all their talking and do not posess the ability to perform thoughts or analysis on their own.

LOL Point.

 

[dainthomas]

Do not attribute to malice that which can easily be attributed to incompetence. Perhaps congress is simply full of foolish idiotic morons. They let the money do all their talking and do not posess the ability to perform thoughts or analysis on their own.

To paraphrase McCarthy (of all people), if they were merely incompetent they would occassionally make a mistake and do something in our favor.

 

[shortylickens]

I keep a log of all this stuff.
Whenever my representative comes to visit I intend to shove it in his face.

 

[Patranus]

That you would think there is a connection is laughable. You choose to use Google's wi-fi, you don't choose to have the NSA spy on you.

How is this hard to understand.

Huh?

You freely give information to Google and that "private" information becomes the property of Google to do whatever it wants with it - like freely share it with the NSA.

People don't make the connection that anything you give to Google or Facebook is open season for those companies to share with the government.

 

[Patranus]

There is a difference between potentially giving up a little privacy for a nice free service vs giving up all privacy for everything including services you pay for personally and directly without any choice.

You do have a choice, not to use Google.
When you use Google they are fee to give whatever they want to the government as it is no longer your property.

 

[Nintendesert]

This really deserves its own thread, but the rabbit hole gets even deeper.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...eb-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/

So now they are asking for the passwords to accounts. There really is no end to the insanity.

 

[Darwin333]

They dont have a human read through all of it. They just archive it all and then run searches whenever a client (usually wall street) wants to run a keyword search. The database exist for one purpose and one purpose only: making money. They want to steal any new ideas that come along. Any information that is valuable in a fiscal sense, that is what they are after. Picture a bunch of chinese stealing any piece of IP that isnt nailed down. Hell they probably sell access to the chinese too..

Thats childs play compared to what this sort of info is potentially worth. Think about being able to blackmail absolutely anyone in the United States up to and including the President himself. Perhaps that is why Obama, a supposed Constitutional scholar, supports something so absurdly unconstitutional along with a majority of the House?

Why bother stealing what you can persuade others to freely give you?

 

[Darwin333]

Wow! EVERY Tennessee Republican and one of our two Democrats voted yes! Makes me feel a bit better.

Thanks for the link.

Something extremely interesting, it needed exactly 7 more votes to pass and 12 members of the House did not vote at all. Exactly WTF where those assholes doing that was more important than casting a vote on this bill?

 

[Darwin333]

You do have a choice, not to use Google.
When you use Google they are fee to give whatever they want to the government as it is no longer your property.

There are several laws, as well as the common sense of a 4 year old, that disagree with you.

That is like saying that light isn't your property, which it is not, so the .gov can obtain and record said light regardless of where it is at.

 

[OutHouse]

This really deserves its own thread, but the rabbit hole gets even deeper.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-5...eb-firms-to-turn-over-user-account-passwords/

So now they are asking for the passwords to accounts. There really is no end to the insanity.

yea wtf.

 

[werepossum]

Something extremely interesting, it needed exactly 7 more votes to pass and 12 members of the House did not vote at all. Exactly WTF where those assholes doing that was more important than casting a vote on this bill?

Hiding, I suspect.