House apologizes for slavery and Jim Crow

[Robor]

Originally posted by: spittledip
The best form of reparations would be to make a museum in DC like the Holocaust Museum. Giving money is ridiculous. An apology is just air. A museum shows that the govt is putting their money (i.e. OUR money) where their mouth is and is making a memorial to those who have been affected by slavery. Visting the Holocaust Museum is a very powerful experience. A slavery museum would also provide people with a way to experience the tragedy of slavery and its effects up until this very day. It might also be a cathartic experience for blacks among other things.

That sounds like a very good idea IMO.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
The best form of reparations would be to make a museum in DC like the Holocaust Museum. Giving money is ridiculous. An apology is just air. A museum shows that the govt is putting their money (i.e. OUR money) where their mouth is and is making a memorial to those who have been affected by slavery. Visting the Holocaust Museum is a very powerful experience. A slavery museum would also provide people with a way to experience the tragedy of slavery and its effects up until this very day. It might also be a cathartic experience for blacks among other things.

That sounds like a very good idea IMO.

What's next? Are we going to offer an apology and build a fucking shrine to all the "beautiful ray of sunshine" Mexicans who cross the border illegally?

NO, I'm NOT equating illegal immigration with slavery, but I AM equating the stupidity of building a museum to one with the stupidity of building a museum for the other...

We in this century have no one to apologize to, and nothing to apologize for.

When is their going to be apologies for the massacres of entire tribes of Native Americans to make it easier for white settlers, cattle ranchers, and miners to take their land?
I'd ask about reparations for that, but since the fucking BIA can't manage to pay the monies they already owe the various tribes, I'm sure this would never happen either.
(but again, all that happened in a different CENTURY, not last year. We own no one apologies for anything that happened that far back in history.

 

[TechAZ]

Originally posted by: eskimospy
You're right. Children are never influenced by the conditions of their parents. They also aren't influenced by institutionalized racism or ingrained cultural racism. I mean seriously, we stopped enslaving them... haven't we done them favor enough? If I spend all day punching you in the face, but then I decide to stop... haven't I done enough to make it up to you by no longer punching you in the face?

People are so ungrateful.

You're right, lets just abolish what little personal responsibility is left in this country.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: OrByte
But the ignorant want reparations and the more ignorant get all indignant about it all.

Perfect response about reparations, which will never happen.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: OrByte
But the ignorant want reparations and the more ignorant get all indignant about it all.

Perfect response about reparations, which will never happen.

i am willing to bed that within the next 20 years it will happen. many people have said that the goverment will never apologize for slavery also.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: OrByte
But the ignorant want reparations and the more ignorant get all indignant about it all.

Perfect response about reparations, which will never happen.

Some people believed a black president would never happen, until about six months ago. If there's one truth I've found in politics, it's never say never.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: BoomerD

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: spittledip
The best form of reparations would be to make a museum in DC like the Holocaust Museum. Giving money is ridiculous. An apology is just air. A museum shows that the govt is putting their money (i.e. OUR money) where their mouth is and is making a memorial to those who have been affected by slavery. Visting the Holocaust Museum is a very powerful experience. A slavery museum would also provide people with a way to experience the tragedy of slavery and its effects up until this very day. It might also be a cathartic experience for blacks among other things.

That sounds like a very good idea IMO.

What's next? Are we going to offer an apology and build a fucking shrine to all the "beautiful ray of sunshine" Mexicans who cross the border illegally?

NO, I'm NOT equating illegal immigration with slavery, but I AM equating the stupidity of building a museum to one with the stupidity of building a museum for the other...

We in this century have no one to apologize to, and nothing to apologize for.

When is their going to be apologies for the massacres of entire tribes of Native Americans to make it easier for white settlers, cattle ranchers, and miners to take their land?
I'd ask about reparations for that, but since the fucking BIA can't manage to pay the monies they already owe the various tribes, I'm sure this would never happen either.
(but again, all that happened in a different CENTURY, not last year. We own no one apologies for anything that happened that far back in history.

au contraire, mon boomie...

the new american shame is the illegal aliens, and at some point in the future this same conversation will be had over them... when your system is set up to require people who don't get paid enough to live to man it, that looks like 21st century slavery... although the model was established with the railroads in the previous century...

maybe if we get in early we can get the contract to find and pay the enslavees the restitution and build the museums!!!

 

[Fern]

I'm really glad they managed to schedule time for this.

It would have been such a waste of time to work on energy policy and other less meaningful political stunt-type crap

Fern

 

[BladeVenom]

Originally posted by: waggy
who is going to pay for reprations? my family never owned slaves. my wife's family never owned slaves. so should we have to pay? what about blacks that came over after? or other countries then african?

saying that it will happen in the next 10-15 yrs

The Democratic Party should pay. They were the pro-slavery party. They should also pay reparations for the civil war, and reparations to relatives of whites who lost their jobs to slavery.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: OrByte
But the ignorant want reparations and the more ignorant get all indignant about it all.

Perfect response about reparations, which will never happen.

i am willing to bed that within the next 20 years it will happen. many people have said that the goverment will never apologize for slavery also.

Reparations?

 

[StageLeft]

I hope they do get reparations. Reparations and extra money have done wonders to Native Americans, really helped them become truly and across-the-board a successful part of society.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: waggy
who is going to pay for reprations? my family never owned slaves. my wife's family never owned slaves. so should we have to pay? what about blacks that came over after? or other countries then african?

saying that it will happen in the next 10-15 yrs

The Democratic Party should pay. They were the pro-slavery party. They should also pay reparations for the civil war, and reparations to relatives of whites who lost their jobs to slavery.

As already noted in this thread and a million others besides, pal, the descendants of slave owners vote for the Party of Lincoln now. That's not Jefferson Davis' ol' Dixiecrat party that's running a black man for President.

t:roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

As astounding as I find it that somebody would demand i provide redress for the sins of countrymen who have gone before me, I find it more amazing yet that somebody wouldn't want to.

 

[cubeless]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
I hope they do get reparations. Reparations and extra money have done wonders to Native Americans, really helped them become truly and across-the-board a successful part of society.

kill two birds with one stone: give the brothers all jobs at the beloved patriot casinos!!!

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: waggy
who is going to pay for reprations? my family never owned slaves. my wife's family never owned slaves. so should we have to pay? what about blacks that came over after? or other countries then african?

saying that it will happen in the next 10-15 yrs

The Democratic Party should pay. They were the pro-slavery party. They should also pay reparations for the civil war, and reparations to relatives of whites who lost their jobs to slavery.

As already noted in this thread and a million others besides, pal, the descendants of slave owners vote for the Party of Lincoln now. That's not Jefferson Davis' ol' Dixiecrat party that's running a black man for President.

t:roll:

Well wait a minute. If this current government and generation have to account for wrongs in the past - even though they didn't commit them - how come the current Democrats don't have to account for Democratic wrongs of the past?

Am I sensing some selective logic here?

Fern

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As astounding as I find it that somebody would demand i provide redress for the sins of countrymen who have gone before me, I find it more amazing yet that somebody wouldn't want to.

An apology from someone not actually committing the deed is meaningless.

An apology given to someone not actually suffering the wrong is worthless.

Fern

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: waggy
who is going to pay for reprations? my family never owned slaves. my wife's family never owned slaves. so should we have to pay? what about blacks that came over after? or other countries then african?

saying that it will happen in the next 10-15 yrs

The Democratic Party should pay. They were the pro-slavery party. They should also pay reparations for the civil war, and reparations to relatives of whites who lost their jobs to slavery.

As already noted in this thread and a million others besides, pal, the descendants of slave owners vote for the Party of Lincoln now. That's not Jefferson Davis' ol' Dixiecrat party that's running a black man for President.

t:roll:

Well wait a minute. If this current government and generation have to account for wrongs in the past - even though they didn't commit them - how come the current Democrats don't have to account for Democratic wrongs of the past?

Am I sensing some selective logic here?

Fern

What part about "I'm strongly opposed to reparations" confused you, Fern?

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As astounding as I find it that somebody would demand i provide redress for the sins of countrymen who have gone before me, I find it more amazing yet that somebody wouldn't want to.

An apology from someone not actually committing the deed is meaningless.

An apology given to someone not actually suffering the wrong is worthless.

Fern

I wasn't talking about an apology. I used the word redress. Check out what it means.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As astounding as I find it that somebody would demand i provide redress for the sins of countrymen who have gone before me, I find it more amazing yet that somebody wouldn't want to.

An apology from someone not actually committing the deed is meaningless.

An apology given to someone not actually suffering the wrong is worthless.

Fern

I wasn't talking about an apology. I used the word redress. Check out what it means.

To put your clothes back on?

😉

Fern

 

[Moonbeam]

1. the setting right of what is wrong: redress of abuses.
2. relief from wrong or injury.
3. compensation or satisfaction for a wrong or injury.
?verb (used with object) 4. to set right; remedy or repair (wrongs, injuries, etc.).
5. to correct or reform (abuses, evils, etc.).
6. to remedy or relieve (suffering, want, etc.).
7. to adjust evenly again, as a balance.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: eskimospy

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I'm all in favor of reparations for slavery. I think we should pay everyone who was brought to this country as a slave, or born into slavery $10000. BUT, only to that person, not to any ancestors. After all, if they themselves weren't slaves, we don't owe them anything.

Exactly!!!

You're right. Children are never influenced by the conditions of their parents. They also aren't influenced by institutionalized racism or ingrained cultural racism. I mean seriously, we stopped enslaving them... haven't we done them favor enough? If I spend all day punching you in the face, but then I decide to stop... haven't I done enough to make it up to you by no longer punching you in the face?

People are so ungrateful.

If you're going to make a retarded analogy, you should at least make it somewhat relevant to the conversation.

If some white guy punched some black guy in the face 150 years ago, but then was forced to stop because thousands of other white guys died in a war that stopped the original white guy from punching that black guy in the face....blah blah blah

Yea, horrible analogy.

Edit - Oh, and you make it out like we haven't done one damn thing to help blacks out since slavery was ended...:roll: You're not usually this dishonest, lets hope you return to your senses soon.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: BladeVenom

Originally posted by: waggy
who is going to pay for reprations? my family never owned slaves. my wife's family never owned slaves. so should we have to pay? what about blacks that came over after? or other countries then african?

saying that it will happen in the next 10-15 yrs

The Democratic Party should pay. They were the pro-slavery party. They should also pay reparations for the civil war, and reparations to relatives of whites who lost their jobs to slavery.

As already noted in this thread and a million others besides, pal, the descendants of slave owners vote for the Party of Lincoln now. That's not Jefferson Davis' ol' Dixiecrat party that's running a black man for President.

t:roll:

Well wait a minute. If this current government and generation have to account for wrongs in the past - even though they didn't commit them - how come the current Democrats don't have to account for Democratic wrongs of the past?

Am I sensing some selective logic here?

Fern

Wow, very good point.

 

[Sinsear]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
As astounding as I find it that somebody would demand i provide redress for the sins of countrymen who have gone before me, I find it more amazing yet that somebody wouldn't want to.

An apology from someone not actually committing the deed is meaningless.

An apology given to someone not actually suffering the wrong is worthless.

Fern

I wasn't talking about an apology. I used the word redress. Check out what it means.

To put your clothes back on?

😉

Fern

Nope; he is in favor of reparations obviously.

 

[Butterbean]

Obama hates the US and whites, and "reparations" would be just the charade one would expect from a well dressed Marxist hack seeking to divide people. Besides if anyone should apoligize it would have to be Democrats since they were the party of slavery (still are in a softer way)

Civil War Harper's Weekly, May 10, 1862

" The slaveholders for many years had worked with the Democratic party. The consequence was that, to secure the unanimous slave section, the Democratic party gradually relinquished all its fundamental principles, and became an association for the propagation and extension of slavery and the annihilation of the safeguards of liberty. The consequence of this in turn was, that as the party left its principles the best Democrats left the party, until at last the Southern leaders stood in open rebellion, and all loyal national Democrats stood against them."


http://www.sonofthesouth.net/l...atic-party-slavery.htm

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: Perknose

Originally posted by: OrByte
But the ignorant want reparations and the more ignorant get all indignant about it all.

Perfect response about reparations, which will never happen.

I would not bet on that;

Obama on REPARATIONS: U.S. government must offer deeds, not just words

Speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, Senator Obama spelled out his approach to issues such as a formal US apology to Native Americans and reparations for African Americans:

"I personally would want to see our tragic history acknowledged... we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for, I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

I believe the "deeds" = reparation$