House apologizes for slavery and Jim Crow

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cubeless

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
Originally posted by: cubeless
reality is they should hit up the brits and the french... go back to who started this mess...

The Brits and the French?

Ok, how the FUCK does that even make sense. Try Spaniards and the northern Europeans next time shit for brains.

What the fuck do they even teach you poor pre-teens in schools these days?

germans been bombing your crappy little island again or something? maybe try decaffinated tea or something... and you deny that you dickheads were huge in the slave trade???

just got through reading about this in churchill's history of the english... but i'm just gullible and believe everything i read... sorry if you're still pissed that you couldn't keep the colonies slaves, too...

Son, if you have no answer, then just don't answer, this is just pathetic.

you accuse me of a non answer, eh? that is quite a pithy rejoinder you supplied...

and i'm not your son, limpdick... maybe next time you get passed for over major (or whatever would have come after captain in your ever-so-capable service) you can go back to birmingham and get that mall security job you aspire to so that you have a little time to read your own history...

Of fucking course you are not my son, it's very clear you're not my son, i'm smarter than fuck and you are dafter than sheit.

I got a paycheck that any Major or CEO would dance around, but in my crew, if you go beyond Captain you are not in the field, so while i have been offered the higher ranks, when i am done here, and trust me, we will be done here, i am taking the offer at home.

I just don't get why i would go to Birmingham when i and my family live in Sheffield, maybe you thought that is the same place... ahhhaha, you Americans and geography, but please hush, not even retards make such obvious mistakes.

BTW, don't worry about my pension, i will be making more a month than most kae in a year.
smarter than fuck... that's powerful...

it was already pretty obvious from your sig that you are delusional, but this certainly proves it... go back and burn up a little more of that local hooch and beat your chest for a while so you can go to bed and dream of empire lost some more... gotta recharge those batteries with something...

My sig is from a song your 12 year old arse has never heard, it's funny because you are so fucking stupid.

Don't stop now, write some more stupid shit, i need the laugh.

ahhh, now it's coming back to me... my uncle told me he heard y'all singing that song while you guys hid in shelters waiting for his unit to rescue you in the last big war...

can't believe we aren't locked or booted yet... this has been fun, but it's time for you to take your meds and go to bed... hope tomorrow's a better day for you...


 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: JohnOfSheffield
What about the Ricks?

You're obviously know more about it than i do, and i acknowledge that, i'm just asking for your opinion on this.

Hmm, apparently not. I'm not familiar with the "Ricks." Is this some ethnic group youse brits have?
Hell, I even tried to look them up...
http://www.indopedia.org/List_of_ethnic_slurs.
Couldn't find any "Ricks" in that list either, and it's pretty dammed thorough.

Tell ya what, go look it up in your high school dictionary and get back to us after school tomorrow, will ya? ;)
 

IGBT

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: IGBT
..do they mention that it was the Dixie democrats that gave us slavery..Jim Crow and the Civil War??
Dixie Democrats are todays Southern Republicans.


..these guys are republicans??


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By Hastings Wyman
Southern Political Report

June 13, 2008 ? Some Dixie Democrats Avoiding Obama

Despite some evidence that Barack Obama will run unusually well for a Democrat in Dixie, several Southern Democratic members of Congress are distancing themselves from him, apparently fearing he will run poorly in their districts and hurt them politically. In Oklahoma, US Rep. Dan Boren (D) said earlier this week that he will not endorse Obama, although he will vote Democratic in the fall. As the basis for his decision, he cited Obama?s National Journal rating as the most liberal senator. Similarly, in Florida, freshman US Rep. Tim Mahoney (D), who is expected to face a tough re-election battle in his usually Republican district, has announced that he will remain neutral through the party?s national convention and does not plan to be active in the presidential race this fall. His fellow Floridian, US Rep. Allen Boyd (D), has also declined to endorse Obama. Ditto for Lincoln Davis (D-TN), who has said either Obama or Hillary Clinton were ?poison? in his district, and Jim Marshall (D-GA) who, according to a report in the Washington Examiner, won?t say whether he believes Obama or John McCain would make a better president. And Arkansas?s Marion Barry told a reporter last week that with Obama as the nominee, his enthusiasm for his party?s national ticket has been ?drained to the bottom of the tank.?

Virginia?s Webb a Confederacy Buff

US Sen. Jim Webb (D-VA), often mentioned as a running mate for Obama, might help or hurt the ticket with the latest revelation, on the front page of Washington?s Politico newspaper. Webb, whose ancestors were officers in the Confederate army, is a staunch fan of the Southern side in the -- er -- War of Northern Aggression. He?s written books, published articles and given speeches extolling the bravery of the Southern soldiers and criticizing ?revisionist? historians who have attacked Robert E. Lee. Webb has noted that most Southerners did not own any slaves and were fighting for state sovereignty. Come to think of it, Obama and Webb, working opposite sides of the street, might do very well down South.



 

manowar821

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Originally posted by: BoomerD

Hey dumbass, need batteries for your sarcasm meter?

Am I an uncaring son of a bitch? According to my wife, YES I am.
I still think the idea of reparations to the descendants of slaves is a terrible idea.

Sarcasm...? Seriously? If so, I apologize, but my comment still stands for anyone that actually holds the "give it a blow job or leave it" mentality. That's all I was responding to.
 

fskimospy

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IGBT, you need to learn some history. Southern Democrats and Northern Democrats were so different from one another until about the 80's or so that they might as well have been two different political parties. If you look up the 'conservative coalition' you will see that while Dixie Democrats formed a caucus with Northern Democrats to organize the two congressional chambers, they frequently teamed up with the Republicans to defeat civil rights legislation, things like that. In the 80's however the homogenization of the two political parties has pretty much eliminated regional factions, and so the Southern Democrats are no more.

Since the people in the South still want the same basic policies as they always wanted however, they vote for the Republicans instead of the Democrats. This is why the south that was dominated by Democrats for 100 years suddenly switched over to being super solid Republican. The people didn't change what they wanted, the parties changed with the Republicans picking up the mantle of race baiting.
 

Skyclad1uhm1

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Originally posted by: Socio
House apologizes for slavery and Jim Crow

WASHINGTON - The House on Tuesday issued an unprecedented apology to black Americans for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow segregation laws.

"Today represents a milestone in our nation's efforts to remedy the ills of our past," said Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus.

This serves no good purpose; it is nothing more than a segment of the Black community wanting to make the White man crawl again. Neither anyone alive, nor government entity today has any responsibility for what happen back then.

As far as I am concerned America already apologized a long time ago by sacrificing all those lives in the civil war so Blacks could be free. If Blacks are due any other apology then it should come from Islam and its followers. After all it was their ancestors that captured them, forced them in to slavery and sold them to the slave traders in the first place.

Actually most black African slaves were sold to slave traders by black Africans from other tribes.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: classy
Originally posted by: brxndxn
I don't think anyone alive today can demand an apology for slavery, nor apologize for slavery.

I did not own slaves. If people once related to me did, it was not my choice. I should not have to pay random people that did not experience any form of slavery anything.

Reparations are bullshit.

Really.........

My one grandfather was killed a couple of years before I was born. My relatives say he was beaten up by 3 white men till he was unconcious, he never woke up. No one was ever arrested. My other grandfather spent 5 years in prison, for a crime he said he never did. My father spent most of his school years in a segregated school. There were not even enough school books. My dad said the bathrooms and water fountains were so dirty he said he would wait to go home. Anyone who thinks blacks over the age 60 didn't suffer immensely under racism and Jim Crow is a complete and utter fool. And damn skippy they are owed something.

My wife has a coworker who tells of her childhood- going to visit her grandparents in southern NC. Her grandparents owned a small farm. Apparently the "neighbors" didnt care for that fact. At night, the neighbors would wait for her family to leave, all ready with nooses and burning crosses. Obviously they always stayed the night and left in the morning. Her uncle got lynched though. She also tells of being a part of the new non-segregated schools where she and other blacks were bussed to a white school. Lots of parents and townspeople outside the busses everyday, yelling hateful things, calling for blood. She really doesn't care for white people to this day. I wonder why? She teaches her children about similar things b/c this excperience is a part of her.

And we say, "Take personal responsibility!" That is right,, she needs to be the bigger person and just forgive. I have a better idea: how about those who represent the ones who committed the wrong be the bigger people? And it wouldn't even amount to being the bigger people. It would amount to taking responsibility for the sins of our fathers.

It is not a matter of BEING the ones who screamed and lynched and killed, it is a matter of understanding ones place in society . Society is a constantly evolving creature- as one generation passses, the next picks up the mantle and decides what to do from that point until the end of the generation. What are we going to do with what our fathers left us? Are we going to continue to ignore this bloody gash: are we going to be content with saying, "They arent slaves anymore, there isnt as much racism anymore, that is good enough! Everything is okey-dokey now!" That wound is still there. But if you want to be callous and ignore your responsibility that you INHERITED as a citizen of this society, well, nothing good can come of that. It really comes down to if you love your country or not.
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: spittledip
Originally posted by: Slew Foot
40 acres and a mule.


So when are the Chinese and Irish going to demand reparations?

Screw the Irish. They can hand over their reparations to the Italians :p
No doubt they would..at back room gambling sites:laugh:

That's better than nothing I guess :D
 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: BoomerD
Originally posted by: Robor
Originally posted by: spittledip
The best form of reparations would be to make a museum in DC like the Holocaust Museum. Giving money is ridiculous. An apology is just air. A museum shows that the govt is putting their money (i.e. OUR money) where their mouth is and is making a memorial to those who have been affected by slavery. Visting the Holocaust Museum is a very powerful experience. A slavery museum would also provide people with a way to experience the tragedy of slavery and its effects up until this very day. It might also be a cathartic experience for blacks among other things.

That sounds like a very good idea IMO.

What's next? Are we going to offer an apology and build a fucking shrine to all the "beautiful ray of sunshine" Mexicans who cross the border illegally?

NO, I'm NOT equating illegal immigration with slavery, but I AM equating the stupidity of building a museum to one with the stupidity of building a museum for the other...

We in this century have no one to apologize to, and nothing to apologize for.

When is their going to be apologies for the massacres of entire tribes of Native Americans to make it easier for white settlers, cattle ranchers, and miners to take their land?
I'd ask about reparations for that, but since the fucking BIA can't manage to pay the monies they already owe the various tribes, I'm sure this would never happen either.
(but again, all that happened in a different CENTURY, not last year. We own no one apologies for anything that happened that far back in history.

Obviously the illegal aliens do not need "apologies" or reparations as we did not wrong them in any way.

Yes, something more substantial should be done for Native Americans other than just giving them dust bowls to live in. Although some do have some nice land in RI and some other places.

The truth is, this is really a red herring b/c we are dealing with one instance that has nothing else to do with other instances. Let's stay focused on one thing instead of throwing more problems into the mix.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
IGBT, you need to learn some history. Southern Democrats and Northern Democrats were so different from one another until about the 80's or so that they might as well have been two different political parties. If you look up the 'conservative coalition' you will see that while Dixie Democrats formed a caucus with Northern Democrats to organize the two congressional chambers, they frequently teamed up with the Republicans to defeat civil rights legislation, things like that. In the 80's however the homogenization of the two political parties has pretty much eliminated regional factions, and so the Southern Democrats are no more.

Since the people in the South still want the same basic policies as they always wanted however, they vote for the Republicans instead of the Democrats. This is why the south that was dominated by Democrats for 100 years suddenly switched over to being super solid Republican. The people didn't change what they wanted, the parties changed with the Republicans picking up the mantle of race baiting.

Keep in mind that most of the posters here are unaware that the 2 major parties in the US are coalition parties. Most of their black-and-white partisan arguments look pretty silly when that is taken into account.

Another thing to note is that as both the major parties in the US are technically liberal, when modern 'conservatives' use the term liberal as a epithet, what they're really saying is 'Yankee.'

Meh. The rebels want to go at it again. They've always hated that they signed the Constitution, especially the 1st amendment. They can't seem to live without their slave society and their need to repress the simplest most basic human rights of those not exactly like them. In a way, it's like 1860 all over again, and in another way, I'm hoping they're going to be just as stupid all over again. They lost last time because England didn't need their cotton, and they'll lose this time because the whole damned planet hates them and their hypocritically un-American ways.
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: eskimospy
IGBT, you need to learn some history. Southern Democrats and Northern Democrats were so different from one another until about the 80's or so that they might as well have been two different political parties. If you look up the 'conservative coalition' you will see that while Dixie Democrats formed a caucus with Northern Democrats to organize the two congressional chambers, they frequently teamed up with the Republicans to defeat civil rights legislation, things like that. In the 80's however the homogenization of the two political parties has pretty much eliminated regional factions, and so the Southern Democrats are no more.

Since the people in the South still want the same basic policies as they always wanted however, they vote for the Republicans instead of the Democrats. This is why the south that was dominated by Democrats for 100 years suddenly switched over to being super solid Republican. The people didn't change what they wanted, the parties changed with the Republicans picking up the mantle of race baiting.

Keep in mind that most of the posters here are unaware that the 2 major parties in the US are coalition parties. Most of their black-and-white partisan arguments look pretty silly when that is taken into account.

Another thing to note is that as both the major parties in the US are technically liberal, when modern 'conservatives' use the term liberal as a epithet, what they're really saying is 'Yankee.'

Meh. The rebels want to go at it again. They've always hated that they signed the Constitution, especially the 1st amendment. They can't seem to live without their slave society and their need to repress the simplest most basic human rights of those not exactly like them. In a way, it's like 1860 all over again, and in another way, I'm hoping they're going to be just as stupid all over again. They lost last time because England didn't need their cotton, and they'll lose this time because the whole damned planet hates them and their hypocritically un-American ways.

WTH? First, you criticize people for their "black and white partisan arguments", then you go into a one sided rant about "modern conservatives". Am I missing something here?
 

JD50

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Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: JD50

Yes, that is being an apologist. Like you said, their approval ratings are rarely this low. We're comparing their approval ratings now, to those in the past. I don't care if people love their congressman so much that they want to meet him in a truck stop bathroom, that doesn't change the fact that congressional approval ratings are at an all time low.

No... it's not. Their approval ratings are rarely this low, but they are often close to this low and it frequently correlates not to the actual business of Congress but to their public visibility.

OK, again, like you just said, their ratings are rarely this low, meaning people are especially unhappy with congress right now. I'm not sure why you're still trying to make excuses for the piss poor approval ratings of congress.
 

Socio

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Originally posted by: Skyclad1uhm1
Originally posted by: Socio
House apologizes for slavery and Jim Crow

WASHINGTON - The House on Tuesday issued an unprecedented apology to black Americans for the wrongs committed against them and their ancestors who suffered under slavery and Jim Crow segregation laws.

"Today represents a milestone in our nation's efforts to remedy the ills of our past," said Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick, D-Mich., chairwoman of the Congressional Black Caucus.

This serves no good purpose; it is nothing more than a segment of the Black community wanting to make the White man crawl again. Neither anyone alive, nor government entity today has any responsibility for what happen back then.

As far as I am concerned America already apologized a long time ago by sacrificing all those lives in the civil war so Blacks could be free. If Blacks are due any other apology then it should come from Islam and its followers. After all it was their ancestors that captured them, forced them in to slavery and sold them to the slave traders in the first place.

Actually most black African slaves were sold to slave traders by black Africans from other tribes.

Actually;

Islam, Slavery and Rape

History records around 11,000,000 Africans being sent to the Americas
and about 13,000,000 being sent to Islamic countries for a total of
24,000,000 African slaves. To get one slave, many others have to be
killed for the tribe to surrender to enslavement. The old, sick and
children are left behind to starve. These collateral deaths are
conservatively estimated to about 5 to 1. So that implies that over
1400 years, 120,000,000 million Africans have been killed to furnish
Islam with its profits.

The accepted history of race in the U.S. is that white men captured
Africans, brought them to the U.S. and sold them as slaves. This is
wrong. When the white slavers showed up on the west coast of Africa,
they didn't capture Africans. They looked them over in the pens, gave
the Muslim slave traders their money, took their bills of sale, and
loaded their purchases into their boats.

The Muslims had been plying the trade of war, capture, enslavement,
and sale for a thousand years.
Mohammed was a slave trader. Long after the white slave traders quit, the Muslims continued their African
slave trade. It still exists today.

And to put a fine point on it, many African slaves were castrated by
removing both testicles and penis. Castrated slaves brought more on
the slave block. Castrated blacks were the traditional keepers of
Mohammed's mosque in Medina.

FYI: They did not only capture Blacks as slaves they captured Whites, and Hindus as well;

African slaves were called abd; white slaves were called mamluk. Most
black slaves were used in mining and heavy fieldwork. White slaves
were used more for skilled trades. White slaves were even promoted to
leadership positions, if they converted. Only one black slave was
promoted to leadership. He ruled Egypt and was a eunuch.

Over a million white slaves were taken from Europe. Our word, slave,
comes from Slav. A white woman was the highest price slave for 1400
years on the Meccan auction block. The Muslim who could not afford a
white sex slave choose an Ethiopian woman at a third of the price.

The Hindus were enslaved, but we don't have the number. We do know
that jihad took half of ancient Hindustan and killed 80,000,000
Hindus. We have accountings of Hindus being enslaved by the hundreds
of thousands at a time.

Unfortunately this part of history is conveniently left out of text books; I guess it is both easier to thrust the blame totally on the White and easier to accept White man was the sole culprit.

 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: Socio
I guess it is both easier to thrust the blame totally on the White and easier to accept White man was the sole culprit.
Free the White Man from oppression:roll:

 

spittledip

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Socio is also seeming to forget how Hindus tricked other Hindus by telling them they could get great wealth in the New World... and then ended up little more than slaves. And how the caste system treats the lower castes. If you are going to bring up stuff about Muslim Indians and the things they have done wrong, make sure you mention what the Hindus did also to their own.

This is just a guess, but do you and your family use Nice and Fair?
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: spittledip
Socio is also seeming to forget how Hindus tricked other Hindus by telling them they could get great wealth in the New World... and then ended up little more than slaves. And how the caste system treats the lower castes. If you are going to bring up stuff about Muslim Indians and the things they have done wrong, make sure you mention what the Hindus did also to their own.

This is just a guess, but do you and your family use Nice and Fair?


are u talking about all the consultants over here now? what is the timeframe u r referring to?
 

cubeless

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Socio
I guess it is both easier to thrust the blame totally on the White and easier to accept White man was the sole culprit.
Free the White Man from oppression:roll:

the sad joke is that it will be funded by tax dollars, so everyone: voluntary immigrant (legal or not, whatever century); involuntary immigrant (related to slavery or not); native american; will pay for it... i'm not a big fan of "punish everyone since we can't really get just the culprit"...

 

spittledip

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Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: spittledip
Socio is also seeming to forget how Hindus tricked other Hindus by telling them they could get great wealth in the New World... and then ended up little more than slaves. And how the caste system treats the lower castes. If you are going to bring up stuff about Muslim Indians and the things they have done wrong, make sure you mention what the Hindus did also to their own.

This is just a guess, but do you and your family use Nice and Fair?


are u talking about all the consultants over here now? what is the timeframe u r referring to?

no...

During the colonizing of the New World.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Socio
I guess it is both easier to thrust the blame totally on the White and easier to accept White man was the sole culprit.
Free the White Man from oppression:roll:

the sad joke is that it will be funded by tax dollars, so everyone: voluntary immigrant (legal or not, whatever century); involuntary immigrant (related to slavery or not); native american; will pay for it... i'm not a big fan of "punish everyone since we can't really get just the culprit"...
What, the apology? There's never going to be any reparations.
 

Genx87

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Socio
I guess it is both easier to thrust the blame totally on the White and easier to accept White man was the sole culprit.
Free the White Man from oppression:roll:

the sad joke is that it will be funded by tax dollars, so everyone: voluntary immigrant (legal or not, whatever century); involuntary immigrant (related to slavery or not); native american; will pay for it... i'm not a big fan of "punish everyone since we can't really get just the culprit"...
What, the apology? There's never going to be any reparations.

If there is expect a complete change out of congress and maybe even an overthrow of the presidency.

I think reparations is a fantasy by some people. And I will be surprised if it ever gets a whiff of a senate vote. There is really no legal or moral basis for such an act. A large % of our population came after slavery. How do you force people generations removed from their ancestors and people who had ancestors who never even lived here during slavery to pay people who had ancestors who were slaves but not slaves themselves? Not to mention not everybody who had ancestors living during that time had their ancestors owning slaves.

And how do you qualify people to recieve such aid?

Just wont happen.
 

Fern

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Originally posted by: Socio
-snip-
Speaking to a gathering of minority journalists yesterday, Senator Obama spelled out his approach to issues such as a formal US apology to Native Americans and reparations for African Americans:

"I personally would want to see our tragic history acknowledged... we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for, I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds."

I believe the "deeds" = reparation$

^ That's a valid campaign issue.

I've already seen that McCain has recently come out a position against Affirmative Action; I'll be looking to see if this gets in the news.

While I heard about the press going crazy applauding Obama, it was only mentioned (again) in context of the press fawning over him.

Fern
 

fskimospy

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: JD50

Yes, that is being an apologist. Like you said, their approval ratings are rarely this low. We're comparing their approval ratings now, to those in the past. I don't care if people love their congressman so much that they want to meet him in a truck stop bathroom, that doesn't change the fact that congressional approval ratings are at an all time low.

No... it's not. Their approval ratings are rarely this low, but they are often close to this low and it frequently correlates not to the actual business of Congress but to their public visibility.

OK, again, like you just said, their ratings are rarely this low, meaning people are especially unhappy with congress right now. I'm not sure why you're still trying to make excuses for the piss poor approval ratings of congress.

See that's the thing, I'm not making any excuses. What I'm trying to tell you is that you need to look at Congress' approval rating through the lens of historic trends along with the current political climate.

The answer to what you were saying wasn't 'ah, they always have low approval ratings so it's ok'. It was 'this is why they have low approval ratings, and it's not as tied to job performance as you think it is'.
 

cubeless

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i'm sure that everyone will point out the bad things, but it seems pretty hard to say that, over the past 50 years, many different political juntas, a lot of reparations haven't already been made by american society for the slavery issue... that many blacks still have problems is not in doubt, but there's a pretty good chunk of them who aren't doing too badly for themselves...

does anyone think that we can move them all to lake woebegon, "where all the children are above average"? that's just unrealistic... does the conversation end when their % stats in all categories match whites?

the question is how much of what would we need to do to end the discussion?

 

Vic

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Originally posted by: JD50
Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: eskimospy
IGBT, you need to learn some history. Southern Democrats and Northern Democrats were so different from one another until about the 80's or so that they might as well have been two different political parties. If you look up the 'conservative coalition' you will see that while Dixie Democrats formed a caucus with Northern Democrats to organize the two congressional chambers, they frequently teamed up with the Republicans to defeat civil rights legislation, things like that. In the 80's however the homogenization of the two political parties has pretty much eliminated regional factions, and so the Southern Democrats are no more.

Since the people in the South still want the same basic policies as they always wanted however, they vote for the Republicans instead of the Democrats. This is why the south that was dominated by Democrats for 100 years suddenly switched over to being super solid Republican. The people didn't change what they wanted, the parties changed with the Republicans picking up the mantle of race baiting.

Keep in mind that most of the posters here are unaware that the 2 major parties in the US are coalition parties. Most of their black-and-white partisan arguments look pretty silly when that is taken into account.

Another thing to note is that as both the major parties in the US are technically liberal, when modern 'conservatives' use the term liberal as a epithet, what they're really saying is 'Yankee.'

Meh. The rebels want to go at it again. They've always hated that they signed the Constitution, especially the 1st amendment. They can't seem to live without their slave society and their need to repress the simplest most basic human rights of those not exactly like them. In a way, it's like 1860 all over again, and in another way, I'm hoping they're going to be just as stupid all over again. They lost last time because England didn't need their cotton, and they'll lose this time because the whole damned planet hates them and their hypocritically un-American ways.

WTH? First, you criticize people for their "black and white partisan arguments", then you go into a one sided rant about "modern conservatives". Am I missing something here?

Yeah, a lot apparently.
 

Vic

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Originally posted by: Genx87
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: cubeless
Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: Socio
I guess it is both easier to thrust the blame totally on the White and easier to accept White man was the sole culprit.
Free the White Man from oppression:roll:

the sad joke is that it will be funded by tax dollars, so everyone: voluntary immigrant (legal or not, whatever century); involuntary immigrant (related to slavery or not); native american; will pay for it... i'm not a big fan of "punish everyone since we can't really get just the culprit"...
What, the apology? There's never going to be any reparations.

If there is expect a complete change out of congress and maybe even an overthrow of the presidency.

I think reparations is a fantasy by some people. And I will be surprised if it ever gets a whiff of a senate vote. There is really no legal or moral basis for such an act. A large % of our population came after slavery. How do you force people generations removed from their ancestors and people who had ancestors who never even lived here during slavery to pay people who had ancestors who were slaves but not slaves themselves? Not to mention not everybody who had ancestors living during that time had their ancestors owning slaves.

And how do you qualify people to recieve such aid?

Just wont happen.

Exactly. Reparations is something you almost never heard about outside of the internet. It will NEVER happen. And if they did, that's the day I stop paying taxes as my ancestors never owned slaves.
Hell, even a large % of black people don't want reparations, see my Dave Chappelle Show link above. And there's a solid reason for this, as they know it would do more harm than good. The phrase that comes to my mind there is from an RATM song, "Fuck the G-ride, I want the machines that're makin' 'em."