Hopes from an Obstructionist

[Victorian Gray]

Funny you ask how this will affect the little people and then immediately advocate entitlement reform.

Funny how all that "concern" *always* ends up there.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Military should be cut. If reforming = cuts, fuck you. If not, carry on.

I agree the military needs to be cut also big time. Reforms may equal cuts, that’s reality. SS needs to go back to its original purpose of being a safety net and not a 401k, introduce means testing, maybe push back retirement age etc. Medicare needs to be reformed to incentivize preventative care and getting more benefit for dollar spent, not fee for service etc. There’s plenty that can be done to make them more efficient.

Reform isnt a bad thing and is needed to make sure these services are sustainable over time.

 

[Engineer]

I agree the military needs to be cut also big time. Reforms may equal cuts, that’s reality. SS needs to go back to its original purpose of being a safety net and not a 401k, introduce means testing, maybe push back retirement age etc. Medicare needs to be reformed to incentivize preventative care and getting more benefit for dollar spent, not fee for service etc. There’s plenty that can be done to make them more efficient.

Reform isnt a bad thing and is needed to make sure these services are sustainable over time.

If reform = cut, see my response above. I'm sick and fucking tired of the generation before mine wanting to keep all of theirs and cutting mine and the generation below mine at the same time cutting taxes for the wealthy. If McCain can get his full SS from age 65 and continues to get it, we can get ours in full.

I've never voted straight line ticket for anything but I agree with a co-worker, if any attempt is made to cut SS/Medicare, I'll vote straight line Democrat for the rest of my life, regardless if the candidate is satan, the Pope, Charlie Brown.

 

[UglyCasanova]

If reform = cut, see my response above. I'm sick and fucking tired of the generation before mine wanting to keep all of theirs and cutting mine and the generation below mine at the same time cutting taxes for the wealthy. If McCain can get his full SS from age 65 and continues to get it, we can get ours in full.

I've never voted straight line ticket for anything but I agree with a co-worker, if any attempt is made to cut SS/Medicare, I'll vote straight line Democrat for the rest of my life, regardless if the candidate is satan, the Pope, Charlie Brown.

In your opinion are those programs sustainable in their current form? Not just sustainable in the short term so that your generation whatever it may be can get theirs out of it, but be there for your kids and grandkids also?

 

[Engineer]

In your opinion are those programs sustainable in their current form? Not just sustainable in the short term so that your generation whatever it may be can get theirs out of it, but be there for your kids and grandkids also?

Maybe once the big lump of boomers gets through, possibly but until then, put more money into it, period. If that requires borrowing more money, so be it. We don't care to borrow more money to give a tax cut to mostly rich people, we can borrow money to get through the boomers without cutting benefits.

 

[UglyCasanova]

Maybe once the big lump of boomers gets through, possibly but until then, put more money into it, period. If that requires borrowing more money, so be it. We don't care to borrow more money to give a tax cut to mostly rich people, we can borrow money to get through the boomers without cutting benefits.

That seems like a pretty wreckless approach imo. It’s putting the the bill on future generations credit card (which is why I’m against the tax cuts) and just expecting our kids to simply pay up because we couldnt make the hard decisions, nevermind that it could compound the problems for them.

 

[Engineer]

That seems like a pretty wreckless approach imo. It’s putting the the bill on future generations credit card (which is why I’m against the tax cuts) and just expecting our kids to simply pay up because we couldnt make the hard decisions, nevermind that it could compound the problems for them.

Then raise taxes on the rich, cut the military, etc. We can bail out banks, auto factories, etc. We can bail out SS/Medicare, one way or another, without cutting.

It's funny how many boomers paid a much lower rate than my generation (up until the 80's when FICA was raised) yet they get no cut offers. My generation and generations after have paid the higher rate our entire working lives and are getting a lower return for it via having to wait until we are older to get it and now the boomers, especially the assholes in CONgress say that we should be taking a cut, while preserving 100% for the boomers? Fuck that and anyone that suggests it, period.

http://www.milefoot.com/math/businessmath/taxes/fica.htm

 

[UglyCasanova]

I agree do that too.

 

[Jhhnn]

In your opinion are those programs sustainable in their current form? Not just sustainable in the short term so that your generation whatever it may be can get theirs out of it, but be there for your kids and grandkids also?

They're sustainable with greater funding. It's just that simple. We can acquire that funding with higher taxes at the top. It seems unlikely to cause mass suffering.

The GOP is headed in exactly the wrong direction & they know it. They intend to not just tear down the Obama legacy but the legacy of the Great Society & the New Deal, replace it all with a new gilded age. Kiss the idea of a broad middle class goodbye, chumps.

Debt is their chosen instrument. The federal debt will be serviced, first & foremost above all other considerations. When that obligation becomes too large it hamstrings the power of the govt to do much of anything else.

The right wing financial elite lending money to the govt to give themselves a tax cut is a blatant looting spree & an attack on the institutions of Democracy.

 

[fskimospy]

I missed voting in a special mayoral election in 1978 in the Los Angeles County municipality where I lived. I felt really crappy about it and haven't missed a vote, any vote, since then. Voting is easy to do, early voting is easily available and only in the deepest of blue enclaves does the waiting to vote time ever reach a fraud asking time of 7+ hours. Every year you see Democrats looking for a way, some way they can commit vote fraud on a grand scale to insure their victory. They're not satisfied with their old ways of fraudulent voting or getting the dead to vote or "Vote early, vote often"

Yes before we get to routine posters that try to claim there is no such thing as vote fraud.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/dead-people-voting-in-colorado/article/2602775

I like how the article you linked as proof voter fraud is a problem talks about how voter fraud isn’t a meaningful problem, hahaha.

Nice self ownage.

 

[Jhhnn]

Then raise taxes on the rich, cut the military, etc. We can bail out banks, auto factories, etc. We can bail out SS/Medicare, one way or another, without cutting.

It's funny how many boomers paid a much lower rate than my generation (up until the 80's when FICA was raised) yet they get no cut offers. My generation and generations after have paid the higher rate our entire working lives and are getting a lower return for it via having to wait until we are older to get it and now the boomers, especially the assholes in CONgress say that we should be taking a cut, while preserving 100% for the boomers? Fuck that and anyone that suggests it, period.

http://www.milefoot.com/math/businessmath/taxes/fica.htm

Whoa, cowboy. Boomers were 19-37 years old in 1983 when FICA was raised. When called upon to pay it forward, we & GenXers have done so. Meanwhile, our seniors promoted trickle down capitalism with low taxes at the top to promote growth. It's become obvious that it won't trickle down on its own so we'll have to squeeze it out with taxes if we're to prosper. Time was when we did it in other ways with things like unions & regulations but those days are gone, leaving us only with taxes.

 

[Engineer]

Whoa, cowboy. Boomers were 19-37 years old in 1983 when FICA was raised. When called upon to pay it forward, we & GenXers have done so. Meanwhile, our seniors promoted trickle down capitalism with low taxes at the top to promote growth. It's become obvious that it won't trickle down on its own so we'll have to squeeze it out with taxes if we're to prosper. Time was when we did it in other ways with things like unions & regulations but those days are gone, leaving us only with taxes.

Pretty much nobody in the boomer generation is being ask to take a cut (other than the few that had their ages pushed forward already). The cutoff age that was floated around was for GenX and newer generations, not anyone in the boomer range. Regardless, nobody should have to take a cut and I agree, taxes NEED to be raised to cover it since the top won't trickle it down with the LAUGHER curve and all.

It's also true that if people were age 19-37 when FICA was raised, many of the older part of boomers had indeed paid less than the newer generations who have paid the full rate their full lives.

P.S. I'm not advocating ANYBODY, including boomers get a cut. I'm advocating raising taxes on the wealthy, cutting the military, etc. to fund what was promised.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I like how the article you linked as proof voter fraud is a problem talks about how voter fraud isn’t a meaningful problem, hahaha.

Nice self ownage.

What was the margin in that last Virginia House election? Oh yes, it's tied. Fsk off, even 1 fraud vote matters.

 

[fskimospy]

What was the margin in that last Virginia House election? Oh yes, it's tied. Fsk off, even 1 fraud vote matters.

Well the article you posted trying to convince us of that apparently disagrees. Lol.

My main question is if you were so stupid as to not read your own article before posting it or if you are so dishonest that you hoped we didn’t. Can you help clear that up?

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Well the article you posted trying to convince us of that apparently disagrees. Lol.

My main question is if you were so stupid as to not read your own article before posting it or if you are so dishonest that you hoped we didn’t. Can you help clear that up?

I did read it and also dismissed the usual partisan claim that fraudulent votes "don't matter". There are plenty of elections in the United States where vote fraud could have been the difference between who lost and who won. Every time officials investigate vote fraud, they find it.

You did realize that the actual story told about substantial vote fraud, only a Democrat OPINION piece claimed that it didn't really matter, please look the other way while the criminals are busy ......etc?

 

[urvile]

SS needs to go back to its original purpose of being a safety net and not a 401k, introduce means testing, maybe push back retirement age e

You guys should look no further than Australia then because we have done all that but we also have things in place like superannuation which forces anyone who is working to save for retirement to offset the pension further.

And we have universal health care.

Another thing conservative governments have done is set the means testing on some benefits really high. That way high income earners can still get them. Usually its subsidies for things like child care. Keeps them happy.

 

[umbrella39]

Pretty much nobody in the boomer generation is being ask to take a cut (other than the few that had their ages pushed forward already). The cutoff age that was floated around was for GenX and newer generations, not anyone in the boomer range. Regardless, nobody should have to take a cut and I agree, taxes NEED to be raised to cover it since the top won't trickle it down with the LAUGHER curve and all.

It's also true that if people were age 19-37 when FICA was raised, many of the older part of boomers had indeed paid less than the newer generations who have paid the full rate their full lives.

P.S. I'm not advocating ANYBODY, including boomers get a cut. I'm advocating raising taxes on the wealthy, cutting the military, etc. to fund what was promised.

I started my first full time job as a young teenager in 1983 lucky me!!! ... I have and will have paid the full FICA raise my entire adult working life then. I already know that when I go to retire in 2036 I'm not going to be able to swing it financially because SS will have been pillaged by then. All the people high fiving these cuts better use that money for a bigger basement because me and mom are moving in...

All this money I see leave my paycheck every week that I could have been investing into my TIAA-CREF stock... I would literally be set for life. Our bills are already set with my retirement ie house, taxes, bills... SS was and still needs to be a fair share of our food, gas, trips, help the kids budget... It's just a big fuck you to the just missed the boomer train GenX'ers like me who paid and will get nothing but snide remarks from the we got ours fuck you generation...

 

[WHAMPOM]

Please do go look up the tax cuts of the past seventy years and show a revenue increase that can be stated as a direct result.

 

[fskimospy]

I did read it and also dismissed the usual partisan claim that fraudulent votes "don't matter". There are plenty of elections in the United States where vote fraud could have been the difference between who lost and who won. Every time officials investigate vote fraud, they find it.

You did realize that the actual story told about substantial vote fraud, only a Democrat OPINION piece claimed that it didn't really matter, please look the other way while the criminals are busy ......etc?

Lol. So now you’re dismissing your own links when they say things you don’t like.

More self ownage.

 

[ch33zw1z]

its a common trait among believers. is called "interpreting the text"

 

[dank69]

What was the margin in that last Virginia House election? Oh yes, it's tied. Fsk off, even 1 fraud vote matters.

Yeah they found voter fraud in the Virginia House election. It was when they certified a spoiled ballot in order to make it a tie.

 

[Puffnstuff]

Tax cuts and spending are two different things. How do tax cuts harm the little people?

First cut revenue and then use budget restrictions as justification for a reduction in entitlements while the rich people are allowed to retain ever more wealth. Caring Democrats under FDR created the New Deal to prevent ordinary Americans from ever being completely exposed to financial ruin yet Republicans yearn to return us to those days in every way.

 

[Atreus21]

Remember when Bush did the same thing so that when the bubble popped we were already in tremendous debt but still had to pump out stimulus to save the world economy? Think the last 9 years of uninterrupted growth is going to continue forever? We should be raising taxes right now, not cutting them and using that to pay down debt. Nope. Pile on more debt. I hope the next crash sends us straight back to the fucking dark ages. I am going to laugh and laugh when starving people start dining on the rich.

We should be cutting spending, not raising taxes. People keeping more of what they earn is an objective good, rich or poor.

 

[Atreus21]

Funny how all that "concern" *always* ends up there.

Well, that's where the overwhelming bulk of the spending is.

 

[brandonbull]

Now is the time to finish off Republicanism and the Conservative movement once and for all.

Well spoken from the ICU.