Hope for any just peace in Israel dims

[kylebisme]

You can make unstantiated claims to butter up your arguments, which is obviously all you can do as your position has little grounds in reality.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Common Courtesy

Originally posted by: mrSHEiK124

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
There is no dilusion at all!!

In fact if you were truthful you would fill in the blanks instead of your one sides account of what past Israeli leaders said!!

They are well documented quotes, which you could easily verify if only you'd stop clinging to your delusions and for once start respecting to reality.

whose reality??? Your too much dude!!

No, really, you are. YOU'RE, not your. What about his too much?

They are well documented quotes, you can pull those books out of a library if you like. Past Israeli leaders? Ariel Sharon was the 2nd most recent PM of Israel...those don't sound like the quotes of someone who wants to be left alone at all.

Everyone can find quotes and stastics that can be used to buttress up their own arguments.
Quotes can also be selective, taken out of context, outdated or by the opposition that match up with ones perspective.

Your post is completely worthless as a generality. The only thing useful for it is to be applied to a specific set of information to determine whether that info is valid.

If you want to say you think he needs to provide more specific quotes for his point, then say that, instead of pretending that a generality proves something about his position.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Mani
I love Israel's policy. Poke your enemy with a stick until they finally retaliate - at which point claim you are the victim while you are bombing the everliving hell out of them.

I love people like you who have no clue......

And yet you have no rebuttal. Every one of your posts here is the same rhetoric we've heard a thousand times. You clearly have a personal stake in Israel, and that's fine. I have no personal stake in Israel or Palestine, and looking at the situation objectively, it's obvious that Israel is not the helpless victim they claim to be.

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Mani
I love Israel's policy. Poke your enemy with a stick until they finally retaliate - at which point claim you are the victim while you are bombing the everliving hell out of them.

I love people like you who have no clue......

And yet you have no rebuttal. Every one of your posts here is the same rhetoric we've heard a thousand times. You clearly have a personal stake in Israel, and that's fine. I have no personal stake in Israel or Palestine, and looking at the situation objectively, it's obvious that Israel is not the helpless victim they claim to be.

Why do I need to rebut your idiotic statements?

Again leave Israel alone and there will be peace!!

You can`t really be serious that Israel is at fault.....OMG the sky is falling......

 

[jonks]

There's no chance of peace with people like this running one of the sides in the conflict:

http://www.reuters.com/article...estCrisis/idUSLT773276
Hamas accused of torture death of Gaza critic

 

[NoShangriLa]

Originally posted by: jonks
There's no chance of peace with people like this running one of the sides in the conflict:

http://www.reuters.com/article...estCrisis/idUSLT773276
Hamas accused of torture death of Gaza critic

There will be peace, when you put every politicians in Israel, Palestine, and all foreigner politicians that meddle with their politics on trial for war crimes.

There will be peace if every countries stop the cash flow to the terrorists/Israelis in the region.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: jonks
There's no chance of peace with people like this running one of the sides in the conflict:

http://www.reuters.com/article...estCrisis/idUSLT773276
Hamas accused of torture death of Gaza critic

There will be peace when people like yourself stop focusing on the evils on the side of the weak while ignoring the evils on the side of the strong. For example sake, from the US State Department report of 2007:

During the year the Israeli NGO, the Public Committee Against Torture in Israel (PCATI), submitted to the attorney general (AG) 65 individual complaints alleging torture and inhuman treatment of Palestinians by Israeli security officials. One alleged that Luwaii Ashqar, who was arrested in 2005, was abused for four days and upon release in May, suffered from partial paralysis of his legs. PCATI filed a complaint to the ISA on behalf of 137 detainees alleging painful handcuffing behind their backs for long periods during interrogation, and on November 21, it filed a complaint on behalf of Imad Khotri alleging he was partially paralyzed in his hands after suffering neurological damage as a result of painful handcuffing during his ISA interrogation at the Kishon Detention Center following his October 17 IDF arrest in Qalqilya. In every case the AG responded that these persons had information deemed vital for state security and no action would be taken against ISA interrogators.

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2007/100597.htm

I recommend reading the whole thing to see exactly what you condoning in your support of Israel's ongoing conquest over Palestine.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: jonks
There's no chance of peace with people like this running one of the sides in the conflict:

http://www.reuters.com/article...estCrisis/idUSLT773276
Hamas accused of torture death of Gaza critic

Of course, there's no way to have peace with a society - Japan in WWII - who was guilty of massive torture, rape, and other war crimes.

Of course, there's no way to have peace with a society - Germany in WWII - who was guilty of massive civilian killing and torture and 'medical experients' and other war crimes.

Except oh wait - with a tiny number of the society gone, Japan has gone on to be an extremely non-violent nation, an ally of the US. Germany, peaceful society, ally of the US.

Would you like to compare the amount of killing and torture by the Palestinians with the amount of Japan and Germany in WWII? They're not comparable.

And yet a few years later - a few months later really - well behaved societies.

The Palestinians are oppressed and almost occupied. They're in economic disaster. Know what allowed the rise of Hitler, scapegoating the Jews? Oppression and economic disaster.

There would have been Jonks towards the end of WWII, insisting there's no way to have peace, not to accept any surrender that leaves their societies intact - we can't trust them not to keep being the torturing barbarians they are. We have to continue to oppress, occupy, impoverish them.

In fact, you wouldn't have been alone - FDR at one point favored destroying Germany's industrial capacity and forcing them to live as an agrarian society.

But you would have been wrong. And you had a lot better argument for them.

You are the problem. It's your treating the Palestinians as sub-human, claiming they can't be reasoned with and can't have peace with them that continues to force the problem.

In probably any conflict, there are those like you, demonizing the enemy and arguing any peace agreement on the basis the other side are barbarians who can't have peace.

You probably would have said the same thing about Egypt before the Camp David accord.

You have rose colored glasses that filter the pressures Israel puts on the Palestinians so that you cannot weight the situation clearly.

I recall the Hatfields and McCoys - there were always family members who were quick to say you couldn't have any peace with those monsters (the other side).

And for a long time people listened to that.

No we'd do better to not listen to you, and get peace, then you can quietly be glad just like the warmongers before you who had the same thing happen when others pursued peace.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: Mani
I love Israel's policy. Poke your enemy with a stick until they finally retaliate - at which point claim you are the victim while you are bombing the everliving hell out of them.

I love people like you who have no clue......

And yet you have no rebuttal. Every one of your posts here is the same rhetoric we've heard a thousand times. You clearly have a personal stake in Israel, and that's fine. I have no personal stake in Israel or Palestine, and looking at the situation objectively, it's obvious that Israel is not the helpless victim they claim to be.

Why do I need to rebut your idiotic statements?

Again leave Israel alone and there will be peace!!

You can`t really be serious that Israel is at fault.....OMG the sky is falling......

You calling anyone's statements idiotic is irony at its best. If Israel wants the ROW's sympathy they need to do something to earn it. They can start by halting settlements.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Israel's conquest over Palestine only continues under US diplomatic support, and blaming the victims of that conquest only has popular support from the brainwashed masses in Israel and the US.

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