Hope for any just peace in Israel dims

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Great way to avoid addressing the substance of those two posts; resort to name calling.

I did address the substance of your posts, which was sheer bigotry.

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
"Deported" or slaughtered and chased out?

There was violence involved, but also many left willingly to become citizens of Israel, and the rest weren't slaughtered and chased out to anywhere approaching the extent which Israeli military and terrorists drove hundreds of thousands of Palestinians out of their homes just prior. Regardless, those Jews who were exiled from their homelands deserve restitution just the same as the Palestinians who were driven out of what is now Israel, and none of that is any excuse to continue Israel's racist conquest over what little is left of Palestine today.

 

[JEDIYoda]

What is interesting is that Snowman ONLY wants people to believe his version of the way things happenned.....

As was pointed out ....
"Deported" or slaughtered and chased out?
Slaughtered and chased out, obviously.

Then we have Dahunan`s warped sense of history--
Yes.. they were slaughtered all the time before Zionists chose the stip of land that contains THREE of the most holy pieces of land to both religions.. DOH!

Why did they choose that piece of land?
AND exclude and remove the humans who were living there before

Don`t you mean why did the british choose that piece of land?? I was not aware that the Israeli`s chose the land that was given to them??hmmm
I swear.. why is it so hard for Eurocentric peoples to have any compassion or see two sides... It is like - everything Israelis do is justified because??

The bottom line is that there are enough of us who know the true history that people like Snowman who keeps spouting there version and then claiming to beliebve anything else is somehow due to a lack of understanding is shall we say very misguided and presumpuous!!

Peace!!

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
What is interesting is that Snowman ONLY wants people to believe his version of the way things happenned.....

No, I want to understand what really happened to the best of my ability, and actively work towards that goal. On the other hand, you cling to your own propagandised version of history to justify Israel's conquest over Palestine and ignore anything that would otherwise sway you to reconsider your position.

For instance, on the deprotation of Jews from Arab lands:

Hitching a ride on the magic carpet

By Yehouda Shenhav


Any analogy between Palestinian refugees and Jewish immigrants from Arab lands is folly in historical and political terms


An intensive campaign to secure official political and legal recognition of Jews from Arab lands as refugees has been going on for the past three years. This campaign has tried to create an analogy between Palestinian refugees and Mizrahi Jews, whose origins are in Middle Eastern countries - depicting both groups as victims of the 1948 War of Independence. The campaign's proponents hope their efforts will prevent conferral of what is called a "right of return" on Palestinians, and reduce the size of the compensation Israel is liable to be asked to pay in exchange for Palestinian property appropriated by the state guardian of "lost" assets.

The idea of drawing this analogy constitutes a mistaken reading of history, imprudent politics, and moral injustice.

...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p...ContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

And your claim that Zionist's didn't choose to colonize Palestine, but it was given to them by the British, is just outright absurd. The colonization officially started with an agreement at the First Zionist Conference of 1897, while Palestine was still under Ottoman rule, and the final decision was made though the UN Partition Plan, with a vote the British abstained from. Of course such facts are easily confirmed by anyone interested in the truth of the conflict, but you obviously have no interest in anything of the sort.

 

[Martin]

Pretty old tactic. Do a bit of ethnic cleansing, create some "fact on the ground" and in a few years when they try for another round of talks, people will start bemoaning how Israelis can't give up any land because didn't you know, there were poor innocent settlers already living there...

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda
What is interesting is that Snowman ONLY wants people to believe his version of the way things happenned.....

No, I want to understand what really happened to the best of my ability, and actively work towards that goal. On the other hand, you cling to your own propagandised version of history to justify Israel's conquest over Palestine and ignore anything that would otherwise sway you to reconsider your position.

For instance, on the deprotation of Jews from Arab lands:

Hitching a ride on the magic carpet

By Yehouda Shenhav


Any analogy between Palestinian refugees and Jewish immigrants from Arab lands is folly in historical and political terms


An intensive campaign to secure official political and legal recognition of Jews from Arab lands as refugees has been going on for the past three years. This campaign has tried to create an analogy between Palestinian refugees and Mizrahi Jews, whose origins are in Middle Eastern countries - depicting both groups as victims of the 1948 War of Independence. The campaign's proponents hope their efforts will prevent conferral of what is called a "right of return" on Palestinians, and reduce the size of the compensation Israel is liable to be asked to pay in exchange for Palestinian property appropriated by the state guardian of "lost" assets.

The idea of drawing this analogy constitutes a mistaken reading of history, imprudent politics, and moral injustice.

...

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p...ContrassID=0&listSrc=Y

And your claim that Zionist's didn't choose to colonize Palestine, but it was given to them by the British, is just outright absurd. The colonization officially started with an agreement at the First Zionist Conference of 1897, while Palestine was still under Ottoman rule, and the final decision was made though the UN Partition Plan, with a vote the British abstained from. Of course such facts are easily confirmed by anyone interested in the truth of the conflict, but you obviously have no interest in anything of the sort.

Your talking through your ass again.....
The Israeli`s did not chose the land! They were given the land....what do you not understand about that??? You sure know how to mis-represent history!!

 

[RichardE]

They deserve what they are getting.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
The colonization officially started with an agreement at the First Zionist Conference of 1897...

Your talking through your ass again.....
The Israeli`s did not chose the land! They were given the land....what do you not understand about that??? You sure know how to mis-represent history!!

I'm not recounting the history any different that The Jewish Agency for Israel does:

First Congress - Basle [Basel], 1897
The first Zionist Congress was to have taken place in Munich, Germany. However, due to considerable opposition by the local community leadership, both Orthodox and Reform, it was decided to transfer the proceedings to Basle, Switzerland.

Herzl acted as chairperson of the Congress which was attended by some 200 participants. The major achievements of the Congress were its formulation of the Zionist platform, known as the Basle program and the foundation of the World Zionist Organization. The program stated,

"Zionism seeks for the Jewish people a publicly recognized legally secured homeland in Palestine."

http://www.jafi.org.il/education/congress/K01.html

You obviously have some twisted compulsion to deny reality, but the facts are there for anyone to see.

Also note the mention of the fact that the Jewish leadership in Germany at the time wanted no part in Zionism.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: JEDIYoda

Your talking through your ass again.....
The Israeli`s did not chose the land! They were given the land....what do you not understand about that??? You sure know how to mis-represent history!!

You're Jewish and you don't even know about Zionism. I swear, Jews try to rewrite history.

 

[brandonb]

Originally posted by: RichardE
They deserve what they are getting.

I'm sure Hitler said the same thing about Jews. Funny how your people forget what happened 70 years ago. Actually I don't even think you guys forgot, its more like, you don't care. FYI, the rest of the world isn't sheep, and you guys are not shepards. Don't push your luck, it will bite you in the ass again. Keep it in mind.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: brandonb

Originally posted by: RichardE
They deserve what they are getting.

I'm sure Hitler said the same thing about Jews. Funny how your people forget what happened 70 years ago. Actually I don't even think you guys forgot, its more like, you don't care. FYI, the rest of the world isn't sheep, and you guys are not shepards. Don't push your luck, it will bite you in the ass again. Keep it in mind.

Actually Hitler said the Jews need to die due to a purification of the human race, not they deserve what they are getting, you are blind to history.

When the rest of the world begins aiding terrorists in helping to destroy Western world countries I think we will begin to care, at this point even Russia and China are not helping them. They made there bed, they get to rest in it.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Actually Hitler said the Jews need to die due to a purification of the human race, not they deserve what they are getting, you are blind to history.

Those of us who respect history know Hitler had many bigoted arguments to blame Jews as a whole for the troubles of the world, and and to claim they deserve what they were to get.

Here one notable example from a a 1939 speach:

"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

http://www1.yadvashem.org/abou...ments/part1/doc59.html

Also note as hinted at in that speach, throughout the rise of Nazism Hitler also narrowed his goals down to "purifying" Europe. He Worked on various plans to transfer Jews from Europe, including an agreement with Zionists which deported tens of thousands of Jews to Palestine:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...9077X/jewsagainstzi-20

Originally posted by: RichardE
When the rest of the world begins aiding terrorists in helping to destroy Western world countries I think we will begin to care, at this point even Russia and China are not helping them. They made there bed, they get to rest in it.

Yeah, the Nazis made a lot of arguments about how no one card about Jews too, hence the reason they eventually gave up on the various plans to transfer Jews out of Europe and started the death camps.

 

[Genx87]

Then you also understand the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni and his role in Nazi Germany and the greater Arab nationalist movement correct?

The Nazi's saw an opportunity to deport Jews to Palastine where once they conquered the Causcus's from the Soviets and Egypt from the British they would meet in Palastine where all the Jews would reside and they could destroy them once and for all. Of course this flew in the face of Amin Al-Husayni and his movement. In the end once war started it was simply more efficient to liquidate the jewish problem locally than send them to Palastine.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Actually Hitler said the Jews need to die due to a purification of the human race, not they deserve what they are getting, you are blind to history.

Those of us who respect history know Hitler had many bigoted arguments to blame Jews as a whole for the troubles of the world, and and to claim they deserve what they were to get.

Here one notable example from a a 1939 speach:

"Today I will once more be a prophet: If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

http://www1.yadvashem.org/abou...ments/part1/doc59.html

Also note as hinted at in that speach, throughout the rise of Nazism Hitler also narrowed his goals down to "purifying" Europe. He Worked on various plans to transfer Jews from Europe, including an agreement with Zionists which deported tens of thousands of Jews to Palestine:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obi...9077X/jewsagainstzi-20

Originally posted by: RichardE
When the rest of the world begins aiding terrorists in helping to destroy Western world countries I think we will begin to care, at this point even Russia and China are not helping them. They made there bed, they get to rest in it.

Yeah, the Nazis made a lot of arguments about how no one card about Jews too, hence the reason they eventually gave up on the various plans to transfer Jews out of Europe and started the death camps.

No one did care about the Jews until after WW2...or did your "History for dummies book" not cover the 1900-1940's.. (I already know it didn't due to your arguments in other threads, it is as if you think history started in 1945).

As for your quotes, I do not see Hitler saying "They are getting what the deserve" I see him blaming them for financial issues which he did. So my point still stands.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Genx87
Then you also understand the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni and his role in Nazi Germany and the greater Arab nationalist movement correct?

Al-Husayni had little support for his bigotry in the Arab world, and many Palestinians sided with the British against the Nazis.

Originally posted by: Genx87
The Nazi's saw an opportunity to deport Jews to Palastine where once they conquered the Causcus's from the Soviets and Egypt from the British they would meet in Palastine where all the Jews would reside and they could destroy them once and for all. Of course this flew in the face of Amin Al-Husayni and his movement. In the end once war started it was simply more efficient to liquidate the jewish problem locally than send them to Palastine.

The Nazis also consider deporting Jews to Madagascar and then Spain after they agreed not to allow any more to reeach Palestine.

Originally posted by: RichardE
No one did care about the Jews until after WW2...or did your "History for dummies book" not cover the 1900-1940's.. (I already know it didn't due to your arguments in other threads, it is as if you think history started in 1945).

I know US congress and British Parliament both considered relaxing immigration laws to help Jews escape the Nazis, but Zionist leaders lobbied against Jews escaping to anywhere but Palestine.

Originally posted by: RichardE
As for your quotes, I do not see Hitler saying "They are getting what the deserve" I see him blaming them for financial issues which he did. So my point still stands.

He said Jews were going to get what in his own bigoted way he believed they deserve. I'm sure you don't want to see that, but it is what he said.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: Genx87
Then you also understand the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Mohammad Amin al-Husayni and his role in Nazi Germany and the greater Arab nationalist movement correct?

Al-Husayni had little support for his bigotry in the Arab world, and many Palestinians sided with the British against the Nazis.

Originally posted by: Genx87
The Nazi's saw an opportunity to deport Jews to Palastine where once they conquered the Causcus's from the Soviets and Egypt from the British they would meet in Palastine where all the Jews would reside and they could destroy them once and for all. Of course this flew in the face of Amin Al-Husayni and his movement. In the end once war started it was simply more efficient to liquidate the jewish problem locally than send them to Palastine.

The Nazis also consider deporting Jews to Madagascar and then Spain after they agreed not to allow any more to reeach Palestine.

Originally posted by: RichardE
No one did care about the Jews until after WW2...or did your "History for dummies book" not cover the 1900-1940's.. (I already know it didn't due to your arguments in other threads, it is as if you think history started in 1945).

I know US congress and British Parliament both considered relaxing immigration laws to help Jews escape the Nazis, but Zionist leaders lobbied against Jews escaping to anywhere but Palestine.

Originally posted by: RichardE
As for your quotes, I do not see Hitler saying "They are getting what the deserve" I see him blaming them for financial issues which he did. So my point still stands.

He said Jews were going to get what in his own bigoted way he believed they deserve. I'm sure you don't want to see that, but it is what he said.

I thought you were against assumptions of what people said? At least you are when it is applied to you. As I said, Hitler never said that.

And No, Congress stated multiple times they did not want to open the borders for Jews, when Zionist leaders and Jewish leaders both asked. Racism and bigotry and parts of facism was in full force on American soil during the war, only after the war was it really painted nice and rosy for that good ol red scare.

 

[Genx87]

Al-Husayni had little support for his bigotry in the Arab world, and many Palestinians sided with the British against the Nazis.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

 

[Mani]

I love Israel's policy. Poke your enemy with a stick until they finally retaliate - at which point claim you are the victim while you are bombing the everliving hell out of them.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I thought you were against assumptions of what people said? At least you are when it is applied to you. As I said, Hitler never said that.

Hitler said:

"If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

And I can dig up piles of other similar quotes too, but let's stick to this one for now. Please explain how you interprete what he said to suggest anything but a belief that Jews deserved the Holocaust that was coming to them?

Originally posted by: RichardE
And No, Congress stated multiple times they did not want to open the borders for Jews, when Zionist leaders and Jewish leaders both asked. Racism and bigotry and parts of facism was in full force on American soil during the war, only after the war was it really painted nice and rosy for that good ol red scare.

For example sake:

The WZO did not only fail to seek any alternative for the Jews facing the Holocaust, but it also opposed all efforts aimed at finding refuge for the fleeing Jews.

As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the US Congress proposed to set up a commission to merely "study" the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principle American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.

This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in US immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge in the USA. He stated: "It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference. (...) It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws."

http://www.marxist.com/History/zionist_holocaust.html

Originally posted by: Genx87

Al-Husayni had little support for his bigotry in the Arab world, and many Palestinians sided with the British against the Nazis.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Thinking otherwise is a joke. The British controlled Palestine at the time, and were limiting Jewish immigration in respect to the rights of Palestinians, so the Palestinians had obvious reason to be on the side of the British. You've got the name of one guy who had a few followers, and are trying to push that exception as if it were the rule, when the reality was quite the opposite.

Furthermore, some Zionists attempted to side with Nazis as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._with_Nazi_authorities

http://www.amazon.com/51-Docum...on-Nazis/dp/1569802351

 

[JEDIYoda]

Originally posted by: Mani
I love Israel's policy. Poke your enemy with a stick until they finally retaliate - at which point claim you are the victim while you are bombing the everliving hell out of them.

I love people like you who have no clue......

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
I thought you were against assumptions of what people said? At least you are when it is applied to you. As I said, Hitler never said that.

Hitler said:

"If the international Jewish financiers in and outside Europe should succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will not be the Bolshevization of the earth, and thus the victory of Jewry, but the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

And I can dig up piles of other similar quotes too, but let's stick to this one for now. Please explain how you interprete what he said to suggest anything but a belief that Jews deserved the Holocaust that was coming to them?

Originally posted by: RichardE
And No, Congress stated multiple times they did not want to open the borders for Jews, when Zionist leaders and Jewish leaders both asked. Racism and bigotry and parts of facism was in full force on American soil during the war, only after the war was it really painted nice and rosy for that good ol red scare.

For example sake:

The WZO did not only fail to seek any alternative for the Jews facing the Holocaust, but it also opposed all efforts aimed at finding refuge for the fleeing Jews.

As late as 1943, while the Jews of Europe were being exterminated in their millions, the US Congress proposed to set up a commission to merely "study" the problem. Rabbi Stephen Wise, who was the principle American spokesperson for Zionism, came to Washington to testify against the rescue bill because it would divert attention from the colonization of Palestine.

This is the same Rabbi Wise who, in 1938, in his capacity as leader of the American Jewish Congress, wrote a letter in which he opposed any change in US immigration laws which would enable Jews to find refuge in the USA. He stated: "It may interest you to know that some weeks ago the representatives of all the leading Jewish organizations met in conference. (...) It was decided that no Jewish organization would, at this time, sponsor a bill which would in any way alter the immigration laws."

http://www.marxist.com/History/zionist_holocaust.html

Originally posted by: Genx87

Al-Husayni had little support for his bigotry in the Arab world, and many Palestinians sided with the British against the Nazis.

Is this supposed to be a joke?

Thinking otherwise is a joke. The British controlled Palestine at the time, and were limitinf Jewish immigration in respect to the rights of Palestinians, so the Palestinians had obvious reason to be on the side of the British. You've got the name of one guy who had a few followers, and are trying to push that exception as if it were the rule, when the reality was quite the opposite.

Furthermore, some Zionists attempted to side with Nazis as well:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L..._with_Nazi_authorities

http://www.amazon.com/51-Docum...on-Nazis/dp/1569802351

One Rabbi? Thats like saying Americans were for Facism because a few Facists tried to put a facist president in power in a plan that was ultimately discovered.

That quote states that if the economic situation gets worse the blame on the jews will be worse, it is very straightforward. No where does he say "They will get what they deserve." You are reaching.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
One Rabbi? Thats like saying Americans were for Facism because a few Facists tried to put a facist president in power in a plan that was ultimately discovered.

One Rabbi who spoke as the leader of the American Jewish Congress, and there are many other examples as well but if you can't even face the reality of one then I'd surely be wasting my time citing others.

Originally posted by: RichardE
That quote states that if the economic situation gets worse the blame on the jews will be worse, it is very straightforward. No where does he say "They will get what they deserve." You are reaching.

No, he said:

"If the international Jewish financiers ... succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will ... be ... the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

And again, there are plenty more quotes of Hitler stating as much in different words, but if you can't even face the reality of one then I'd surely be wasting my time citing others.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
One Rabbi? Thats like saying Americans were for Facism because a few Facists tried to put a facist president in power in a plan that was ultimately discovered.

One Rabbi who spoke as the leader of the American Jewish Congress, and there are many other examples as well but if you can't even face the reality of one then I'd surely be wasting my time citing others.

Originally posted by: RichardE
That quote states that if the economic situation gets worse the blame on the jews will be worse, it is very straightforward. No where does he say "They will get what they deserve." You are reaching.

No, he said:

"If the international Jewish financiers ... succeed in plunging the nations once more into a world war, then the result will ... be ... the annihilation of the Jewish race in Europe!"

And again, there are plenty more quotes of Hitler stating as much in different words, but if you can't even face the reality of one then I'd surely be wasting my time citing others.

We'll I am a pretty big WW2 buff, actually a pretty big student of that entire period. So I'm all for seeing these quotes I never saw, I mean if they exist where he clearly stated they will get what they deserve I'm all for it. Hitler was very good at delivering speeches, one of his strengths was he never directly states specifically really what would happen to his targets, but always in a very broad sense, it was easier for the public to absorb the idea that there poverty was due to the jews. It left the idea of what the public should do to the jews without specifically saying it. So if ever did actually specifically state they would get what they deserve I'm all ears. As it stands you are pulling assumptions out of his statement, which is great for certain academic work but this is not academic work and my assumptions on his speech are much different than yours. He did not speficially say "The jews will get what the deserve". It's like me saying you support the killing of innocents because your statements support Hamas indirectly.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
Hitler was very good at delivering speeches, one of his strengths was he never directly states specifically really what would happen to his targets, but always in a very broad sense, it was easier for the public to absorb the idea that there poverty was due to the jews.

He did not simply suggest "poverty was due to 'the' Jews", you've stretched it into "a very broad sense" on your own, as you do constantly to distort my own comments. He suggested world war was the fault of "international Jewish financiers", and a second world war would make "the Jewish race in Europe" deserving of "annihilation". Of course you even go so far as to defend and praise Hitler's ability to openly declare such malicious intent, which explains why you have no issue doing the same towards Palestinians.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman

Originally posted by: RichardE
Hitler was very good at delivering speeches, one of his strengths was he never directly states specifically really what would happen to his targets, but always in a very broad sense, it was easier for the public to absorb the idea that there poverty was due to the jews.

He did not simply suggest "poverty was due to 'the' Jews", you've stretched it into "a very broad sense" on your own, as you do constantly to distort my own comments. He suggested world war was the fault of "international Jewish financiers", and a second world war would make "the Jewish race in Europe" deserving of "annihilation". Of course you even go so far as to defend and praise Hitler's ability to openly declare such malicious intent, which explains why you have no issue doing the same towards Palestinians.

I praised his ability to deliver a message, who is twisting whose intent now?

Again, he did not say "The jews will get what they deserved" which is the entire basis of your argument (You stating he did). He did not, you can make assumptions regarding what he said all you want, but the fact remains he did not say that. He blamed the Jews for many things, he used the jews as a scapegoat for every problem Germany had, and in the end he took action against the jews, but he did not connect the two in a speech in anyway except in very general terms, he never specifically stated "They are getting what they deserve". Want to know why? He didn't because it is too simple and dismisses any logic that had been built around the Jewish question, and jewish problem. It would bring down a huge and very deeply intellectually thought out issue (the jewish problem) and render it nothing more than a childish act of revenge. That is why he never said that. As I said before if you can prove me wrong, please do so. I doubt you can since Wikipedia doesn't give you an answer though.


In case you forgot Hitler fancied himself an elitist, a specimen above certain animals, he was an artist and was found of his ability to deliver an artful speech full of meaning (and many metaphors). He would not have said such a stupidly simple phrase as "They are getting what they deserve" that would have undermined all his artistic effort he had put into the German conquest. He wanted to be remembered for his powerful speeches after the war, not for one or two word soundbites.

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: RichardE
I praised his ability to deliver a message, who is twisting whose intent now?

Again, he did not say "The jews will get what they deserved" which is the entire basis of your argument (You stating he did).

My argument is that he suggested as much in his own bigoted way, a way you are now praising as good delivery, in flagrant disregard for the fact that there was no good in those words.