HoN for $10. Worth it?

[Mennovh]

Download League of Legends (it's free) if you're slightly interested in the genre.

Ive played league of legends up to level 30 and i am not a huge fan of the game. It is fun sometimes, but with the system that you have to buy the new heroes almost every single week is dumb. With league of legends you basically start out with a few heroes and you can play the ones they offer weekly.

If you wanted to own every hero from the start it costs alot of money for a "free" game. Around $150 when i was playing. Hon is far superior as far as fun factor goes.

Nothing quite like losing the whole game in HoN and then making a comeback at the end to win the game.

 

[fatpat268]

Ive played league of legends up to level 30 and i am not a huge fan of the game. It is fun sometimes, but with the system that you have to buy the new heroes almost every single week is dumb. With league of legends you basically start out with a few heroes and you can play the ones they offer weekly.

If you wanted to own every hero from the start it costs alot of money for a "free" game. Around $150 when i was playing. Hon is far superior as far as fun factor goes.

Nothing quite like losing the whole game in HoN and then making a comeback at the end to win the game.

Oh, I know. But to anyone curious about the genre (and want the lowest initial cost of entry), I recommend them to play LoL first. You'll know immediately if it's a genre you want to keep playing or not. If they want more, then they can move on to HoN.

 

[Aristotelian]

As a long time Dota player it is easy to see why people flame noobs who have never played before.

When you're playing a random pub and you find out someone on your team has never played before it's really frustrating. Because no matter what they are going to do they will feed and be generally useless to the team. You can't teach them as you go, there is too much happening. Either way you're stuck in a game for the next ~45 minutes that you are almost certain to loose and there is nothing you can do.

Your chances in Dota are better if the new person just leaves. That's why newer players get flamed. The team is better off without them, so making them leave helps your chances to win. Also when your team sucks its hard to do well. Games with lots of unforgiving teamwork and random ways of sticking people together who don't know each other are going to breed flamers. It's the nature of the game, if you don't like it don't play. The Dota/HoN community probably doesn't care haha.

Really? So it's frustrating to you that someone might buy a game, having not spent 4-5 years playing Dota to familiarize himself with the mechanics, and play in a pub match of all things? Sounds to me like you do care. That's why anyone who thinks that him/herself is a 'pro' will do his very best to get under any 'noob's' skin - but it's the 'pro' who is raging (omg, my win and k:d ratio wahhh) and all that, so 'ha ha' indeed, regarding who doesn't care.

The community is filled with incessant whining. One guy and his RL girlfriend (who were sooo pro! like, omg! they had clan tags and all that man!) accused me of ksing (a hero that I set up the gank for, PR ult gank request at level 6 etc.) and spent the rest of the game running around feeding the other team and trying to get me voted out.

That's a sample of the community, for those thinking about whether or not to buy this game. I've played less than 30 games, and each and every one has had some or all of:

1) Continual 'noob' accusations
2) One or more players doing something to deliberately mess up the game (quit, feed the other team, watch while you get ganked (and laugh about it on voice chat), or in general grief your teammates)
3) Incessant racist comments, comments about your lineage, your history, about how you fail at life, will never amount to anything, and so on, say, because you didn't spend the entirety of the first 10-15 levels buying wards and a courier for everyone to use (the same people who will watch you die and laugh about it)
4) And in general, nobody is trying (to do anything other than ks/have a good kill/death ratio, and/or to grief their own teammates).

I'd stay miles away from this game unless you already have friends playing. Even when there are 3 of us on the same team, 2 'pubs' can ruin the match (and often do so deliberately).

Oh, you might want to buy this game for 10 bucks simply so you can troll others - I'm sure that's what at least 60% of the player base exists to do.

 

[GoodRevrnd]

lol... hyperbole much?

 

[Aristotelian]

Almost everyone here agrees that players (in general) get flamed, and your response to my post (that contradicts his claim that the HoN community of pro-all stars doesn't care) is that I'm exaggerating? Have you played HoN (pub matches) recently?

 

[boozie]

The community isn't THAT bad. No one is going to punch you through your computer screen. Ignore and banlists exist for a reason. It's an online video game of course there is going to be immature behavior. It's just important to take any given game in stride and not let anything get to you. As said before, it's much better with a friend though.

Bottom line, for $10 this game is a steal.

I understand everyone has to start somewhere, but there are a lot of mistakes that bad players refuse to learn from and having to play with those people is frustrating.

Very simple beginner tips that bad players never listen to:

Don't open boots, EVER. Even on SB as a new player you shouldn't be opening boots.

Don't naked bottle sidelane. Really really really bad. You shouldn't naked bottle mid, but it's not anywhere near as bad as sidelane.

Buy consumable regen at the start, standard is runes of blight and 1x health pot, but really just 2 forms of consumable health regen is good practice. (yes there are exceptions)

Don't buy recipes with your starting 603g. I hate seeing bracers and 1x runes of blight.

Whenever I see any of this on my team I just wish I could remake the game. I always take the time to tell them (nicely) that they shouldn't buy like that but after 300+ games I don't think they plan to change their ways.

Other thing I really hate is when people knowingly force double melee lanes.

All you need to do is spend some time reading a few guides online, play 10-20 no stat games before anything else (play a few practice first if you like). Then maybe hop into stat pub games and then on to MM games.

The most important thing as a new player is just don't die.

 

[ussfletcher]

I played HoN when it was in beta, now I play LoL. I can see where both have their strong suits. If you played DotA hardcore, then HoN is for you. If you are more of a casual player then definitely go with LoL. I stick with LoL because I don't like having to know exactly what builds to get for every hero and situation.

 

[boozie]

I played HoN when it was in beta, now I play LoL. I can see where both have their strong suits. If you played DotA hardcore, then HoN is for you. If you are more of a casual player then definitely go with LoL. I stick with LoL because I don't like having to know exactly what builds to get for every hero and situation.

Thing is there are adequate mods for new players to tell you what to skill and/or what to buy until you learn the ropes. Plus you still need to learn what to buy in LoL even if it's more forgiving for poor choices.

I don't want to turn this into a LoL vs HoN thread, but "casual" isn't really fitting the bill for me. I think if you're looking for simpler and more forgiving gameplay go with LoL.

I play both, I like both. But christ do I wish I could get all the heroes in LoL for $10. Your money will go farther in HoN than LoL at $10 or even $30.

 

[ussfletcher]

Thing is there are adequate mods for new players to tell you what to skill and/or what to buy until you learn the ropes. Plus you still need to learn what to buy in LoL even if it's more forgiving for poor choices.

I don't want to turn this into a LoL vs HoN thread, but "casual" isn't really fitting the bill for me. I think if you're looking for simpler and more forgiving gameplay go with LoL.

I play both, I like both. But christ do I wish I could get all the heroes in LoL for $10. Your money will go farther in HoN than LoL at $10 or even $30.

See I don't understand that, the in-game free currency unlocks heroes too, and they rotate the 'free' heroes weekly. Its kind of neat playing against a new set of heroes every week, its less repetitive overall.

 

[boozie]

See I don't understand that, the in-game free currency unlocks heroes too, and they rotate the 'free' heroes weekly.

You'll have to help me out, what exactly is "that" which you don't understand.

Its kind of neat playing against a new set of heroes every week, its less repetitive overall.

This I don't understand. How is 10 nCr 5 that changes week to week better than 75 nCr 10? The argument about flavor of the month heroes in HoN and the meta-game complaints are really only applicable at the top ~2%. Check the spread on heroes picked it's actually pretty damn good. The highest % used hero right now is sitting at 2.8% which would equate to ~1/3.57 games. That is too repetitive?

I'd rather not go much further down this road since I do like both games, I just don't follow the thought process.

 

[ussfletcher]

You'll have to help me out, what exactly is "that" which you don't understand.

I was saying that I don't understand your argument that you don't have access to all of the heroes and that they are quite expensive. This is not true, as far as I'm aware you can unlock all of them with in-game currency that you freely accumulate, making the cost $0.

This I don't understand. How is 10 nCr 5 that changes week to week better than 75 nCr 10? The argument about flavor of the month heroes in HoN and the meta-game complaints are really only applicable at the top ~2%. Check the spread on heroes picked it's actually pretty damn good. The highest % used hero right now is sitting at 2.8% which would equate to ~1/3.57 games. That is too repetitive?

When I was playing it certainly didn't feel like that kind of distribution, but this was in Beta.

 

[Mennovh]

Really? So it's frustrating to you that someone might buy a game, having not spent 4-5 years playing Dota to familiarize himself with the mechanics, and play in a pub match of all things? Sounds to me like you do care. That's why anyone who thinks that him/herself is a 'pro' will do his very best to get under any 'noob's' skin - but it's the 'pro' who is raging (omg, my win and k:d ratio wahhh) and all that, so 'ha ha' indeed, regarding who doesn't care.

The community is filled with incessant whining. One guy and his RL girlfriend (who were sooo pro! like, omg! they had clan tags and all that man!) accused me of ksing (a hero that I set up the gank for, PR ult gank request at level 6 etc.) and spent the rest of the game running around feeding the other team and trying to get me voted out.

That's a sample of the community, for those thinking about whether or not to buy this game. I've played less than 30 games, and each and every one has had some or all of:

1) Continual 'noob' accusations
2) One or more players doing something to deliberately mess up the game (quit, feed the other team, watch while you get ganked (and laugh about it on voice chat), or in general grief your teammates)
3) Incessant racist comments, comments about your lineage, your history, about how you fail at life, will never amount to anything, and so on, say, because you didn't spend the entirety of the first 10-15 levels buying wards and a courier for everyone to use (the same people who will watch you die and laugh about it)
4) And in general, nobody is trying (to do anything other than ks/have a good kill/death ratio, and/or to grief their own teammates).

I'd stay miles away from this game unless you already have friends playing. Even when there are 3 of us on the same team, 2 'pubs' can ruin the match (and often do so deliberately).

Dont listen to this guy, he must be thin skinned. He obviously isn't aware of game mechanics. Sounds like to me you went a support hero and didn't buy wards or the courier and you were ksing your carry.

Each role has a responsibility and if you cant learn it then that's your fault you get flamed.

Games are not this bad, yes there is alot of shit talk but its like 1 in 50 games that a person intentionally will lose the game for you and it doesn't even happen that often.

 

[zinfamous]

Because LoL is free, it attracts much less hardcore and uppity people than HoN.

So basically:

LoL if you want fun
HoN if you want obsessive compulsive 15 year olds screaming obscenities at you for not being good/fast enough

TridenT is a big HoN stooge, iirc.

:hmm:

 

[GoodRevrnd]

Almost everyone here agrees that players (in general) get flamed, and your response to my post (that contradicts his claim that the HoN community of pro-all stars doesn't care) is that I'm exaggerating? Have you played HoN (pub matches) recently?

There are plenty of shitbags but it's nowhere near as bad as you're stating. You said in your post you only played 30 games so by that fact and the nature of your post it mostly just tells me you're one of the self-righteous entitled noobs that that is unwilling to actually learn and then gets mad when he gets yelled at for blowing a TEAM game.

 

[Chiropteran]

only played 30 games

Assume an average game length of 30 minutes, do you think a game should require more than 15 HOURS of "practice" before it becomes fun?

"Hey dude, you have only been playing for an hour a day for 2 weeks. You gotta play for at least 4 months before you get to the fun part"

 

[TridenT]

Assume an average game length of 30 minutes, do you think a game should require more than 15 HOURS of "practice" before it becomes fun?

"Hey dude, you have only been playing for an hour a day for 2 weeks. You gotta play for at least 4 months before you get to the fun part"

Hey, look at that one game called... what is it called? Something with over ten millions players... OH YEAH, WoW.

I believe most people say, "the fun stuff isn't even until you're level 60/70/80/whateveritisnow." Which takes how long? Probably hundreds of hours to get to...

 

[Chiropteran]

I believe most people say, "the fun stuff isn't even until you're level 60/70/80/whateveritisnow." Which takes how long? Probably hundreds of hours to get to...

Leveling up in WoW *is* fun, for a lot of people, or the game never would have succeeded. Now, endgame might be "more fun", but leveling up is at least fun enough that almost everyone I know has alts, even though you only need 1 character at 85 for endgame stuff.

Not like banging your head against the wall trying to learn HoN and being flamed for being a noob in a noob elo game...

 

[TridenT]

Leveling up in WoW *is* fun, for a lot of people, or the game never would have succeeded. Now, endgame might be "more fun", but leveling up is at least fun enough that almost everyone I know has alts, even though you only need 1 character at 85 for endgame stuff.

Not like banging your head against the wall trying to learn HoN and being flamed for being a noob in a noob elo game...

It's like that in multiplayer FPS games though when you're playing in small teams. It's like that in... any game with small teams... Oh my goooddd

Side note: I keep getting my ass handed to me because my team feeds. This sucks so much ass! Managed to get down to nearly 1500PSR from 1675+.

 

[Hmongkeysauce]

The biggest problem with this game, besides the community, IMO, is the PSR system. It's the epenis of the game. Being that everybody is outfitted with a small epenis from the get go, everybody tries very hard to get it bigger. That, I believe, is the reason behind so many flames and name calling in the game. I've played a few FPS games that had different rating systems and I don't ever remember being called the things I was called when playing HON.

I've learned to enjoy the game without worrying about my PSR. I play exclusively with my brothers and friends in no stats game where we can do stupid shit and not follow your traditional ward-bitch, carry, initiator team strategy. I find that we get more LOL's at the end of games playing our way then we do if we try to follow your cookie cutter builds and strategies.

 

[TridenT]

The biggest problem with this game, besides the community, IMO, is the PSR system. It's the epenis of the game. Being that everybody is outfitted with a small epenis from the get go, everybody tries very hard to get it bigger. That, I believe, is the reason behind so many flames and name calling in the game. I've played a few FPS games that had different rating systems and I don't ever remember being called the things I was called when playing HON.

I've learned to enjoy the game without worrying about my PSR. I play exclusively with my brothers and friends in no stats game where we can do stupid shit and not follow your traditional ward-bitch, carry, initiator team strategy. I find that we get more LOL's at the end of games playing our way then we do if we try to follow your cookie cutter builds and strategies.

The higher the PSR you get, usually the less name calling you get. I know it sounds backwards, but it's pretty much true.

 

[Hammyton]

Being a DoTA/HoN vet. I can say that this game is a really tough game to try to learn. One of the concepts that a lot of people don't get is that a bad/new player in a HoN game pretty much ruins the experience for everyone else on the team.

Contrast this with like TF2, where if you have a noob soldier on your team it's pretty easy to overlook and no one's going to get upset at him for dying over and over again without doing anything useful. HoN/DotA has more RPG elements, meaning that if someone on your team is bad and keeps dying or making mistakes then the other team will get substantially more powerful.

So you run into situations where maybe 9 players in the game (the games are almost all 5v5) are pretty equally matched and would otherwise have a great game, but 1 person is of a lower skill level and because of that persons deaths and mistakes the other team will get more xp/gold.

If you're starting new my suggestion is to be up front with the player base; tell them that you're new and you want to do whats necessary to win the games. People will often instruct you as to what hero to pick and what builds/items to get if you just nicely ask for advice. If someone starts to badmouth/troll you just take the high road and let everyone know that above all you want to learn and would like to contribute to the team in the best way possible. As angry/immature as people are in this game the only reason for that is that it is a VERY competitive game and the people playing it hate to lose. Appeal to that side of them and try to keep in mind that you and your teammates all want to accomplish the same goal.

If anyone needs help or advice in game feel free to msg me as well IG: Hammyton

 

[boozie]

I was saying that I don't understand your argument that you don't have access to all of the heroes and that they are quite expensive. This is not true, as far as I'm aware you can unlock all of them with in-game currency that you freely accumulate, making the cost $0.



When I was playing it certainly didn't feel like that kind of distribution, but this was in Beta.

So I have 29 wins in LoL. As a new player, I probably have under 50% win rate but lets say I have 58 games played. Now 10 of those were even with an IP boost key that I got. I still can't afford one hero. Granted it's one that is expensive, but you make it sound like you catch em all like they're pokemon. This is not the case. So still 58 games later I can't play even ONE champion that I like all the time.

What's even more hilarious is the people that use this 100% free argument end up spending money, often more than $30 in LoL and walk away with far less to show for it.

Also here is a link to back up my trumping the repetitiveness argument of LoL vs HoN.

http://www.heroesofnewerth.com/hero_use.php

Note it drops to 2.2% by the 3rd hero which is 1/4.55 games.

 

[Firsttime]

I played 3 LoL games today and had enough to buy a hero. HoN is a Dota clone, LoL is similar but not the same. They are different enough to each have their own merit in my book.

 

[Aristotelian]

Edited the wall of text out, as it's not worth it.

And to Taejin, that you think it's my problem (that I can't control my emotive response) for being upset by racist commentary (it has never been directed towards me) in a video game baffles me. It's just totally unnecessary to get a point across.

 

[Taejin]

Aristotelian,

Ignore the players on your team and just play. If you're bad or you're not bad, you're going to get flak at one point or another.

If you're getting flak every single game, the problem is you. Most games? Problem is still you. Either way, it doesn't matter. If you can't control yourself and ignore other players then this isn't the game for you.