Homosexuals can change

Stunt

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There's still time for you to convert to Islam...Christianity is obviously wrong and tainting people's minds.
Change now Rip before it's too late...
 

raildogg

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there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

but i dont support marriage of same sexes, other than that, its fine with me
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: raildogg
there is nothing wrong with homosexuality.

but i dont support marriage of same sexes, other than that, its fine with me

There was for this man:

"I felt ripped in half. Part of me longed to just be 'one of the guys,'?to have a traditional family life, with a wife and children?and to do the will of God, as I understood and believed it. But the other side of me longed to feel the arms of a man around me, to feel complete acceptance and love from a man. I wanted both. I needed both. And yet my deepest yearnings seemed completely incongruent. I felt trapped in a hopeless situation, with no way out."

- Ben Newman

His life before
I was addicted to pornography, especially homosexual pornography, for 20 years, starting at age 16, and to promiscuous homosexuality from age 21 to 35. I lived a secret double life while married with children. I met countless partners at pornography stores, parks, gay bathhouses and other places for one-time encounters. I was a sex addict. I always returned to my "sex drug," even though I must have promised myself a hundred times that I would stop. I married at age 26, held a strong belief in my Christian faith and enjoyed heterosexual family life, but I was so desperate for male love, I would do anything to feel it, even for a moment, even if it were counterfeit. I lived in shame, fear and isolation. My wife knew something of my struggles, but I lied and minimized them, and she wanted to believe me.

His life now
After 14 years of trying in vain to stop, I now have been free of homosexual sex for almost four years. I now have a solid identity as a heterosexual man. My marriage is better than ever, my family happier. I have the most positive friendships with other heterosexual men that I've ever had in my life. They give me more joy and masculine affirmation than gay lust ever did. I have overcome a lifetime of shame as a male and fear and distrust of other men. Instead of lusting after their masculinity to fill my emptiness, I now identify with them as men and relate to them as a man among men. Same-sex attraction has been replaced by same-sex affinity.


Why aren't you compassionate liberals happy that this man found peace and happiness?
 

Steeplerot

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

Why aren't you compassionate liberals happy that this man found peace and happiness?


Becasue it is a bald faced lie to serve a hate-filled agenda.
Homosexuality is not a addiction it is a genealogical trait you troll. :cookie:
 

replicator

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Riprorin, there's hope for you yet!

Keep it up and I'm sure your testimonial will be there soon.

Goodluck pal.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Becasue it is a bald faced lie homosexuality is not a addiction it is a genealogical trait you troll. :cookie:

Can Homosexuality Be Cured?

Robert Spitzer, M.D., the prominent psychiatrist who helped remove homosexuality from the American Psychiatric Association's Diagnostic Manual's list of disorders in 1973, recently gave a presentation to the APA presenting results of his study demonstrating that some homosexuals can change their desires to heterosexual. This surprising development, reported on May 9, 2001 at the annual APA convention in New Orleans, has been reported in many forums (though largely ignored by the mainstream press). Several online stories can be found such as the article by Robert H. Knight, "'Gays' Can Change, Psychiatrist Tells APA," May 9, 2001, for Concerned Women for America, available online at http://www.cwfa.org/library/fa...-05-09_hs-change.shtml and the article Latest Scientific Research: Those Struggling with Homosexuality Can Be Set Free at http://www.reclaimamerica.org/. Another good summary is available from The National Catholic Register.
Spitzer found what many former homosexuals have already demonstrated: homosexuals can change. That orientation is not necessarily innate and unchangeable.

Many former homosexuals know that homosexuality can be treated. The National Association for the Recovery and Treatment of Homosexuality (NARTH) offers valuable resources and information at their Web site Narth.com, including a discussion of the work by Robert Spitzer, and analysis of prior failed attempts to prove that homosexuality is innate.

Another resource on this topic is the work of Dr. Warren Throckmorton, whose Website provides valuable information on the ability of gays to change and on the same-sex marriage debate. Also see his documentary, "I Exist," which shows that ex-gays actually do exist, contrary to allegations of gay activists.

"Produced by Dr. Warren Throckmorton, I DO EXIST is a documentary about homosexuals who have changed their identity to one that is heterosexual. The documentary explores the different types of homosexuality from the people who dabble in it and people who adopt a gay identity...The most important part of the documentary is interviews with people who had identified as gay for many years and decided to change...This is a wonderful and necessary video to dispel some of the confusions of our age, and it is highly recommended by MOVIEGUIDE®. -Ted Baehr, PhD, Publisher of MOVIEGUIDE® and MOVIEGUIDE.ORG

Sadly, the climate in academic circles today has become decidedly hostile toward research involving treatment of homosexuality, for "political correctness" is dominant, especially in the American Psychiatric Association, and those suggesting homosexuality is something to cure may be treated as pariahs. While investigations into treating homosexuality have suddenly become rare in light of a politically correct chill effect, a significant body of work demonstrates that homosexuality can be treated successfully - with success rates well above those for treating alcoholics. Secular treatment of homosexuality using psychotherapy or psychoanalysis has been reported in a variety of studies, beginning with Freud himself, who reported a 50% success rate in treating 8 homosexuals (A. Freud, "Some Clinical Remarks Concerning the Treatment of Male Homosexuality," The Intl. Journal of Psychoanalysis, Vol. 30, p. 195, as cited by Satinover, p. 185). Satinover summarizes additional published studies on treatment of homosexuality with psychotherapy (mostly) and psychoanalysis, having a composite success rate of 52% in treating a total of 341 homosexuals (p. 186). The most recently cited study (G. van den Aardweg, On the Origins and Treatment of Homosexuality: A Psychoanalytic Reinterpretation, Westport, Conn.: Praeger, 1986) reports a success rate of 65% in treating 101 people. "Success" in these studies is defined as "considerable" to "complete" change. Though the nine studies listed by Satinover have small sample sizes, the results still contradict gay propaganda by showing that homosexuality can be treated. The data demonstrate that change is possible.

In addition to the 341 subjects mentioned above, a separate 1976 study on treating homosexuality (conducted before the APA made it risky to conduct such work) found excellent long-term success in the treatment of 49 homosexual patients:

Of 49 patients ... 31 (63 percent) were contacted for follow-up. The average period since the end of treatment was 4 years. Nineteen subjects (61 percent [of the 31 contacted]) have remained exclusively heterosexual, whereas nine (29 percent) have had homosexual intercourse. Heterosexual intercourse was reported in 28 (90 percent), including the previous nine subjects. Three (10 percent) have had neither homo nor heterosexual intercourse.
(A. Cantom-Dutari, "Combined Intervention for Controlling Unwanted Homosexual Behavior," 1973, as cited by Satinover, p. 187.)
A study by Masters and Johnson, one of the nine studies with a composite of 341 subjects mentioned above, reported a success rate of 65 percent in a five-year follow-up study of treated homosexuals (M.F. Schwartz and W.H. Masters, "The Masters and Johnson Treatment Program for Dissatisfied Homosexual Men," American Journal of Psychiatry, Vol. 141, pp. 173-181, 1984, as cited by Satinover, p. 186). The abstract of this article, available online, describes the treatment process as a short-term, intensive program to overcome maladaptive belief systems and to help the patient foster a positive self-image.
Satinover further explores some intriguing but preliminary results in which medication appeared to have promoted change. The advent of the chill effect on research into treatment of homosexuality roughly coincided with advances in psychiatric medicine that offer many new avenues for helping people deal with biochemical imbalances and internal stresses that may, in some cases, be part of the many factors associated with the abnormal condition homosexuality.

While many pastors and ministers have experienced the positive role that religion can play in helping homosexuals change their lifestyles and their personal orientation, many would be surprised to know that this effect received at least a small amount of attention in the professional psychiatric community. A small 1980 study published in the American Journal of Psychiatry reported that religious influence had helped some homosexuals lose their homosexual identity and become heterosexuals "without explicit treatment and/or long-term psychotherapy" (E.M. Pattison and M.L. Pattison, "'Ex-Gays': Religiously Mediated Change in Homosexuals," Amer. J. Psychiatry, Vol. 137, pp. 1553-1562, 1980). This work dealt with only 11 former-homosexual males who claimed to have become heterosexual through participation in a Pentecostal church. Though minor in scope, it again hints at the possibilities for overcoming homosexuality.

In spite of the evidence that homosexuality can be treated and that at least some former homosexuals have changed, gay activists such as Brian McNaught still boldly proclaim that science teaches that orientation is innate and unchangeable, that "no one has ever changed their orientation," that some babies are born "hardwired" to be gay, and that homosexuality cannot be cured ("Gay Issues in the Workplace," presentation by Brian McNaught to Kimberly-Clark Corporation, Neenah, Wisconsin, Oct. 30, 2001). That position will not change, I suspect, in spite of abundant evidence, because it seems to be a critical premise in the quest for legitimacy and especially in the quest for financial benefits for domestic partners. If homosexuality is as innate, as natural, and as unchangeable as gender, then shouldn't a homosexual union be condoned and provided with all the benefits afforded to traditional marriages?

Homosexuality: Seeing Past the Propaganda
 

SuperTool

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I bet the same people who say homosexuals can change would say the opposite about pedophiles.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: replicator
Riprorin, there's hope for you yet!

Keep it up and I'm sure your testimonial will be there soon.

Goodluck pal.

Nah, I've always been happily heterosexual. Thanks anyways though. :D
 

Stunt

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Originally posted by: Riprorin

Why aren't you compassionate liberals happy that this man found peace and happiness?

All for peace and happiness...but the idea of the site is to promote change...as if it is wrong.

Instead of accepting gays as humans who deserve respect, the lifestyle is assumed wrong and change is required.

Rip you are christian right?...well do you think it would be a good idea for me to post websites of successful converts from christianity?...and how the lost were found under the happy lifestyle that others perfer?

I'm going to assume no...and that you expect Muslims to accept your lifestyle and live in harmony with others who may not be like you.

Good for the people who converted and are happy, bad for society as it shows it wants these men/women to change rather than accept.
 

Steeplerot

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Don't waste your time with this troll look at the links he posted typical rip-links to wacko religious nut websites based on 0% reality.
I should have remembered to not feed the rip troll today.
 

nageov3t

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whatever makes them happy, as long as they're not forcing it on others.

there's a huge difference, however, between can change and should change.
 

Dangermouse33

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Originally posted by: Steeplerot
Originally posted by: Riprorin

Why aren't you compassionate liberals happy that this man found peace and happiness?


Becasue it is a bald faced lie to serve a hate-filled agenda.
Homosexuality is not a addiction it is a genealogical trait you troll. :cookie:

How is it a bald faced lie? If he's happy why can't you just be happy for him.
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Stunt
Originally posted by: Riprorin

Why aren't you compassionate liberals happy that this man found peace and happiness?

All for peace and happiness...but the idea of the site is to promote change...as if it is wrong.

Instead of accepting gays as humans who deserve respect, the lifestyle is assumed wrong and change is required.

Rip you are christian right?...well do you think it would be a good idea for me to post websites of successful converts from christianity?...and how the lost were found under the happy lifestyle that others perfer?

I'm going to assume no...and that you expect Muslims to accept your lifestyle and live in harmony with others who may not be like you.

Good for the people who converted and are happy, bad for society as it shows it wants these men/women to change rather than accept.

I think that this quote from the website above pretty well summarizes how I feel:

This page is for people who don't want to be gay. If you are gay and don't want to change, please don't let me bother you. But there may be some new issues to discuss for some of you.

In recent years, it has become difficult to have serious discussions of the facts about homosexuality. Because of the intense politics associated with homosexual issues, people are afraid to challenge "politically correct" sentiments on the topic. This page is Jeff Lindsay's personal attempt to break the silence and offer alternatives.

It's time to see past the propaganda - not to evoke hate or intolerance, but to foster reason and knowledge. I urge all people to be genuinely kind and loving toward each other, regardless of lifestyle, appearance, orientation, religion, race, etc. We can and must love those with whom we disagree, while still holding to truths that others may not accept. We should be civil and even cautious in how and where we express our opinions.

A note on the issue of hate: I am absolutely opposed to hate. Sadly, I find myself accused of hate for stating my view that homosexuality can be changed, at least in some cases. Please, there is a difference between disagreeing and hating! Many activists choose to ignore the distinction. Debate and honest discussion have been shut down by name calling and the tactics of intimidation. That is wrong, but it's inherent to "political correctness." For example, one well educated man contacted me and accused me of hate. I asked for an explanation and asked if explaining the harms of a behavior was tantamount to hate. His response:

"Yes, it is hate to say that being gay is harmful and can be treated. Because of people like you, too many people who are gay get the message that they are dirty and that being gay is wrong. Get a life!"

Humans are not animals - we can change and control our behavior, at least to some degree. People have a choice about their sexual activities, in spite of the desires and temptations they face. Solid evidence shows that change is possible. For those who don't want to change, OK. But there are some who do, and some who aren't sure if they are gay. They don't need to feel like there is nothing they can do. My message is intended to be one of hope, with absolutely no hate. It will offend nonetheless, but I would ask the offended parties to deal with this intellectually rather than turn to name-calling and angry replies.
I know wonderful people in the homosexual community - kind, warm people whom I respect and admire in many ways. Some are happy where they are, but others would have benefited years ago if they had known that there are alternatives.

Again, disagreeing with a behavior should not lead us to dislike or belittle the person.
 

nageov3t

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Originally posted by: replicator
Riprorin, there's hope for you yet!

Keep it up and I'm sure your testimonial will be there soon.

Goodluck pal.

Rip has kids. they're scarily indoctrinated, from what I've read, but they're there :p
 

replicator

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: replicator
Riprorin, there's hope for you yet!

Keep it up and I'm sure your testimonial will be there soon.

Goodluck pal.

Nah, I've always been happily heterosexual. Thanks anyways though. :D

Ahh..

Sure.. Ok, so you are hetero..

What the heck are you doing surfing that site?

It's alright Rip, accept yourself, love yourself.

We don't discriminate.



 

Tylanner

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Originally posted by: replicator
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: replicator
Riprorin, there's hope for you yet!

Keep it up and I'm sure your testimonial will be there soon.

Goodluck pal.

Nah, I've always been happily heterosexual. Thanks anyways though. :D

Ahh..

Sure.. Ok, so you are hetero..

What the heck are you doing surfing that site?

It's alright Rip, accept yourself, love yourself.

We don't discriminate.

Is it your goal to get this thread locked?

At least throw a :) in there for jeebus.
 

Steeplerot

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It's ok RIP we accept you as you are for all your flaws.
When you feel strong enough to come out of the closet we will be there for you. NOT!
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: replicator
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: replicator
Riprorin, there's hope for you yet!

Keep it up and I'm sure your testimonial will be there soon.

Goodluck pal.

Nah, I've always been happily heterosexual. Thanks anyways though. :D

Ahh..

Sure.. Ok, so you are hetero..

What the heck are you doing surfing that site?

It's alright Rip, accept yourself, love yourself.

We don't discriminate.

Rep, I'm just a typical open minded conservative. ;)

 

glugglug

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It's ok Rip, you can step out of the closet now. Besides, you claim to be in a BLUE state.
 

Siddhartha

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Former homosexuals discuss how they changed at PeopleCanChange.com

Many former homosexuals have learned that change was not just desirable, but entirely possible. It wasn't easy, but it was possible. Read their stories, understand their reasons, and know that the propaganda against change is not completely honest

Men who have left homosexuality showing others the way out

This is only an issue if you are a homophobe or a homosexual.
 

Red Dawn

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So these people claim that Homosexuals can learn to sexually desire the ooposite sex? I wonder how many of those allegedly converted swung both ways and constantly have to battle with their desires for the same sex for the rest of their lives? Too bad they weren't just accepted for what they are so they didn't have to deal with this anguish the rest of their lives.