Holy Cow

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BrokenArrow

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Putting a reserve on an item for the pure sake of selling it to make a profit is just as unehtical as someone souring thier sale.

What? Do you even think before you type? So by your reasoning, selling an item for profit is unethical? Well genius, what would be the point of selling an item if you couldn't make a profit? I swear, you people are acting like its the same as gouging for gas/food/water after a natural disaster. This is a toy. Don't cry to us because you didn't get in early enough to get one at retail. Don't hate those who were luckier/smarter/better than you that did get in early and get one or two to sell. Supply and demand. Live it, learn it, love it, DEAL WITH IT.

So what if it's a toy? Who cares? It still shouldn't be gouged. You don't need gas to survive either, yet you'd whine if that was being gouged, wouldn't you? I'm tired of the double standards. Items vary of importance to different people. Maybe you don't give a rat's ass about a gaming console, and that's fine, neither do I. And maybe the person who plays games all day doesn't give a rat's ass about gas because he's rich and has an electric car. Tell me your hobby and I bet you'd be pissed if the means by which you performed it were being gouged too. Wouldn't you take action? Not that I support 5150Joker's actions in the least, but I think any reseller of consoles should have to abide by MSRP rules when the supply<demand. When there's enough supply at the stores, I don't care what people do with them. But when people are standing in line just to take someone else's and gouge it on ebay, it's asinine.

Originally posted by: SunnyD
lol @ this thread. egay sucks anyway.

Why is this in the Video forum anyway?

Who knows? Should be in general hardware like all these console threads.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Kalessian
Aw, xt, I liked what you said

5150... I demand that you prank Exxon-Mobile! I'll help.

Yeah me too, it was a good point. What is gouging? Well according to merriam-webster:

3 : to subject to extortion or undue exaction : OVERCHARGE
- goug·er noun

Seems to me the guys on ebay are overcharging, thus they are price gouging. Most of the auctions start well above MSRP or have ridiculously high reserves.

Wrong. Don't try to justify acting like a moron by using a dictionary definition.

If there's no market for their XBox at the price they are selling them at then the items will not sell and they'll either have to lower the price or eat them. I wish I had pre-ordered a few myself. I'd definitely put them up at MSRP or slightly above and sell to the highest (legit) bidder.

Maybe bored people should post false reports to your Heatware? That sounds like fun as well, doesn't it?

 

[BrokenArrow]

Originally posted by: xtknight
So what if it's a toy? Who cares? It still shouldn't be gouged. You don't need gas to survive either, yet you'd whine if that was being gouged, wouldn't you?

Actually yes, I would need gas to survive. I need gas to get my car to move, i need my car to go to work, i need to work to make money, i need money to buy food, water, clothing, shelter. Besides, its still not gouging. Like I said earlier, many of these auctions are starting with no reserve or a reserve which is just slightly higher than the retail price. Its the bidders that are willing to pay these high premiums. I really don't give a rats ass about game consoles, but I do about using ebay and violating regulations and laws just for the fun of it. Comming here to brag about it is just plain dumb. Perhaps even dumber than people willing to pay $1000 for a $400 item.

 

[xtknight]

Originally posted by: BrokenArrow

Originally posted by: xtknight
So what if it's a toy? Who cares? It still shouldn't be gouged. You don't need gas to survive either, yet you'd whine if that was being gouged, wouldn't you?

Actually yes, I would need gas to survive. I need gas to get my car to move, i need my car to go to work, i need to work to make money, i need money to buy food, water, clothing, shelter. Besides, its still not gouging. Like I said earlier, many of these auctions are starting with no reserve or a reserve which is just slightly higher than the retail price. Its the bidders that are willing to pay these high premiums. I really don't give a rats ass about game consoles, but I do about using ebay and violating regulations and laws just for the fun of it. Comming here to brag about it is just plain dumb. Perhaps even dumber than people willing to pay $1000 for a $400 item.

I'm fully aware of that, I'm talking about the auctions which do start at like $1000 and there are a few, probably a few hundred if not thousand by now.

I think what 5150Joker did was really stupid too.

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat


I was merely commenting on your actions not the whole thread. I have seen people vacationed/banned for less.
Also, do you think that doing something like this might make others here not trust you when dealing with you in the FS/T Forum?

Messing with price gougers on ebay and my personal dealings have no correlation at all. My heatware feedback is proof of that.

I think it goes to character. You made my DNT list. But to each his own.

mine too :thumbsdown:

 

[JonnyBlaze]

guys, stop whining. if he was out bid nothing was done wrong. if he won an auction he didnt plan on paying for that would be a different story.

 

[BrokenArrow]

Originally posted by: xtknight
I'm fully aware of that, I'm talking about the auctions which do start at like $1000 and there are a few, probably a few hundred if not thousand by now.

I think what 5150Joker did was really stupid too.

Actually I think its cooling off a bit. From what I saw this morning, the Core's are going for around $600-700 and the deluxe (or premium or whatever) were getting $900-1000. I'm not arguing the ethics of buying a limited release item and reselling it to make a huge profit. Is it right or wrong? Probably depends on who you ask, or if you have some for sale or not. LOL. If I was being unresonable gouged for something would I take action? Maybe, depending on how important this item was to me. Would I blatantly break the law and brag about it? No. The point is that for the most part (and there are perhaps a few exceptions) this isn't gouging. It sounds more like a cyber temper-tantrum from people who can't get what they want for the price they want to pay. I hope ebay catches all of these fake bidders and prosecutes them to the full extent that the law allows.

 

[Patt]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: akugami
On the one hand I don't really agree with what you're doing 5150Joker, on the other hand, I'm really PO'ed at all these a$$hats who buy these systems with no intention of actually keeping them because they think they can make a profit off of them. What they do is deprive many kids of Xmas gifts whose parents would have otherwise been able to score one of these limited (at the moment) systems. And no I'm not bitter about not being able to get one because 1) I ain't waiting in line overnight in crappy weather for any game system 2) I am not so addicted to games that I have to be one of the first on my block to get a shiny new game or system 3) I knew the supply was limited so I didn't even bother.

Well I agree with your latter point. There could be several parents out there that have barely enough money to surprise little Timmy with a $400 xbox 360 he's been dreaming of all year only to find that some price gougers with friends that work as managers got ahold of the systems instead and are now selling them for $800+ on ebay. It may be fair in the capitalist system (caters to the rich) but it's morally repugnant. Others may disagree and that's their right but their opinion doesn't coincide with mine.

I love how you're speaking of things being morally repugnant oh Robin-Hood-of-Ebay :|

How many people, older than say 25 got gifts for Christmas worth over $400? I know I never did. No kid that doesn't get a 360 under the tree is being deprived.

Back to my original point: two wrongs don't make a right. Think about it.

 

[Mojoed]

Originally posted by: Acanthus

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat


I was merely commenting on your actions not the whole thread. I have seen people vacationed/banned for less.
Also, do you think that doing something like this might make others here not trust you when dealing with you in the FS/T Forum?

Messing with price gougers on ebay and my personal dealings have no correlation at all. My heatware feedback is proof of that.

I think it goes to character. You made my DNT list. But to each his own.

mine too :thumbsdown:

Same here.

 

[RobertR1]

Originally posted by: BrokenArrow

Originally posted by: RobertR1
Putting a reserve on an item for the pure sake of selling it to make a profit is just as unehtical as someone souring thier sale.

What? Do you even think before you type? So by your reasoning, selling an item for profit is unethical? Well genius, what would be the point of selling an item if you couldn't make a profit? I swear, you people are acting like its the same as gouging for gas/food/water after a natural disaster. This is a toy. Don't cry to us because you didn't get in early enough to get one at retail. Don't hate those who were luckier/smarter/better than you that did get in early and get one or two to sell. Supply and demand. Live it, learn it, love it, DEAL WITH IT.

First of all I have an Xbox 360 so you can take the second half of your garbage and toss it.
People putting reserves on Xbox 360's 6months for the sole purpose of selling them on ebay and making a profit are a-holes and I have no problem with people screwing with them. This happens on cars all the time (06 Z06 being a prime example). I much rather see a parent be able to buy their kid an xbox for the holidays than these people gouging. You want to act like a ahole, don't cry when you get treated like one.

 

[Topweasel]

Me, I have to agree with Joker here. Its not something I would do (as I don't care enough) but its like scalpers who 20,000 of a 40,000 person concert and tripleing the price. It goes against capitalism, capitalism is about supply and demand, when you have people purchasing and eating up the stock of product for the sole reason of reselling it at a higher price you remove the supply, at this point you are artificially creating a low suppply (stores sold out) and force them to buy from you at what ever price your selling them at. To me that is wrong.

Me I am glad that I was lazy. I didn't wait in line it looked horrible, since my work over looks a bestbuy. At 8 I was getting a little bummed because I wasn't going to be able to get one before January, then I thought maybe BestBuy is selling them online. Turns out they were, I put my order through and five minutes later looked back and all of the packages where on back order. Today I now have a tracking number and by Monday do to Thankgiving I will have my Xbox 360.

 

[RobertR1]

The funny thing is that since it's individuals doing this and thus you can relate better, it's all in the name of capitalism but if a corporation does this, it's wrong. Please don't start the "no, it's ok for companies to do it" crap, because god forbid if Gamestop or Bestbuy were selling their packages for a $100 markup, there would e-pickets on every site!

 

[akugami]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
The funny thing is that since it's individuals doing this and thus you can relate better, it's all in the name of capitalism but if a corporation does this, it's wrong. Please don't start the "no, it's ok for companies to do it" crap, because god forbid if Gamestop or Bestbuy were selling their packages for a $100 markup, there would e-pickets on every site!

That's why you won't see me buying one of these "value" packages that cost insane prices. It's like the freaking PSP packages. While I would have been willing to pay $200 for the system at launch (prior to my current anti Sony stance), most packages were $300-400 for that sucker. I commonly see Xbox 360 packages for $500-700. That's just insane for a video game system. 90% of the value added items suck anyways.

I'll just wait till the supply line is not as tight and pick one up then without overpriced "value" packages or wait till a price drop. At the worse, I'll just stick with the Nintendo Revolution which is sure to be much cheaper. Worse comes to worse, I'll just stick to PC gaming and retro gaming and give the finger to every overpriced POS out there.


As far as price gouging goes, it's not illegal so long as you're not price gouging on commodity items. An example is selling an Xbox 360, which is in limited supply for double it's MSRP. This is legal. An example of illegal price gouging would be selling water, food and fuel for double it's normal selling price in a zone where a hurricane just passed through and people are desperate for sustenance. The situation with the Xbox 360's is morally repugnant as 5150Joker put it but it's not illegal.