Hmm, might get a launch PS4 from ebay

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Kev

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Basically, all you're doing is showing that you're so poor you thought months in advance that you would plan this big scheme so you could be such an awesome "businessman" and make.... a few hundred dollars.


Do you enjoy advertising the fact that you are most likely either unemployed or part time minimum wage? Because nobody making even 40k/yr is going to bother with what you're doing. It's just not worth their time.

If you need any soup cans to hold you over on christmas let me know. I know it can be tough living below the poverty line, and I have lots of campbells chicken broth I can donate so you don't go hungry on christmas.


PM if you need help ():)

LOL. Worth my time? It will take a total of about 1/2 hour of effort, you retard.
 

smackababy

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LOL. Worth my time? It will take a total of about 1/2 hour of effort, you retard.

1/2 hour? Heck, it takes less time than that to list the auction and print out a shipping label. I preordered on Amazon, so I don't even have to pack it. Just slap a new shipping label and have UPS pick it up.
 

Kev

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1/2 hour? Heck, it takes less time than that to list the auction and print out a shipping label. I preordered on Amazon, so I don't even have to pack it. Just slap a new shipping label and have UPS pick it up.

Man I didn't even think of that! I should have spent more time planning my "big scheme." Damn.
 

sze5003

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Basically, all you're doing is showing that you're so poor you thought months in advance that you would plan this big scheme so you could be such an awesome "businessman" and make.... a few hundred dollars.


Do you enjoy advertising the fact that you are most likely either unemployed or part time minimum wage? Because nobody making even 40k/yr is going to bother with what you're doing. It's just not worth their time.

If you need any soup cans to hold you over on christmas let me know. I know it can be tough living below the poverty line, and I have lots of campbells chicken broth I can donate so you don't go hungry on christmas.


PM if you need help ():)

This doesn't even make sense. Are you implying only people with tons of money will pay over retail? So retail stores that mark up pc components, other items, their owners must be piss poor.

It's simple economics. Market demand, advertising, and hype drive these type of prices along with the I need it now mentality because I couldn't make up my mind when it was announced.
 

TeknoBug

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I remember when the PS3 hit eBay 3 weeks before release, they were selling for $2200!
 

Dumac

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Lol its so funny watching you guys rationalize your petty reselling for a tiny profit.

Sure, it may be legal. Doesn't make it any less dickish or pathetic.

Whatever you guys have to tell yourself to pretend you are a some great businessman ;)

Hope you guys never complain about the inefficiency of a middleman, because that would be hypocritical :eek:
 

cmdrdredd

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I am poor(thank you end of year property taxes) but I am keeping my systems and games.
 

sze5003

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Lol its so funny watching you guys rationalize your petty reselling for a tiny profit.

Sure, it may be legal. Doesn't make it any less dickish or pathetic.

Whatever you guys have to tell yourself to pretend you are a some great businessman ;)

Hope you guys never complain about the inefficiency of a middleman, because that would be hypocritical :eek:

I should just pick mine up on the 15th and give it to a little kid in line. Because if you sell it your a bad person. Now that dlna is not available yet and the game I really wanted to play on ps4 got delayed, getting one a month or two later won't bother me.

And if it won't sell, I'm not returning it to best buy I'll keep it because eventually I'll end up with one. Businessman was the last thing that popped up in my mind, look at it another way...I mean I'm sure you guys took micro/macro economics right ?
 

destrekor

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Lol its so funny watching you guys rationalize your petty reselling for a tiny profit.

Sure, it may be legal. Doesn't make it any less dickish or pathetic.

Whatever you guys have to tell yourself to pretend you are a some great businessman ;)

Hope you guys never complain about the inefficiency of a middleman, because that would be hypocritical :eek:

It's not about being a businessman or anything - it's simply taking advantage of a temporary market.

It's not taking advantage of individuals, however. It's perfectly legitimate, and people have demonstrated they wish to create a market of exactly this kind. It always exists for high-demand products, because there are always people willing to pay more to have right away instead of waiting patiently like everyone else. THEY want, THEY pay it, because THEY *HAVE* to have it - some people are simply willing to say, okay fine, you want to pay quite a bit more than the retail price, here you can have mine.

Now, if people were taking advantage of people, in that the sellers were actually duping the buyers, well that's just morally wrong.
I don't see this practice, however, to even be morally questionable. The sellers aren't making the market (unless it is literally resellers buying all the launch product, which doesn't happen -they are a minority), they are merely making use of the temporary market opportunity to pad their wallets a little bit.

I did the same thing in the PS3 launch, after initially only pre-ordering to have a personal one. Then I sold it, and it was only a few weeks until I stumbled upon a fresh shipment at Best Buy.
I contemplated, briefly, to do it for the PS4 launch, but I couldn't even convince myself I wanted one and it seems my brain was waiting for my own personal decision before I could even pre-order. That brain didn't even think to pre-order exclusively for the purpose of reselling it, which come to think of it, I'm quite bummed. I should have pre-ordered.
 

HeXen

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BUT, there's always a chance you can find one in stores before xmas. IMO, there's just not enough of terrific games this year that really makes either system a truly must have right now. Ebay sales could be reflecting peoples fears that they won't find one in stores for months...well to me, it'll be months before I see enough games that make me force someone to take my money. The multiplats I can play on Steam, we need some rock solid zomfg exclusives like Nintendo has with Mario and Zelda this year.
 

Dumac

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It's not about being a businessman or anything - it's simply taking advantage of a temporary market.

It's not taking advantage of individuals, however. It's perfectly legitimate, and people have demonstrated they wish to create a market of exactly this kind. It always exists for high-demand products, because there are always people willing to pay more to have right away instead of waiting patiently like everyone else. THEY want, THEY pay it, because THEY *HAVE* to have it - some people are simply willing to say, okay fine, you want to pay quite a bit more than the retail price, here you can have mine.

Now, if people were taking advantage of people, in that the sellers were actually duping the buyers, well that's just morally wrong.
I don't see this practice, however, to even be morally questionable. The sellers aren't making the market (unless it is literally resellers buying all the launch product, which doesn't happen -they are a minority), they are merely making use of the temporary market opportunity to pad their wallets a little bit.

I did the same thing in the PS3 launch, after initially only pre-ordering to have a personal one. Then I sold it, and it was only a few weeks until I stumbled upon a fresh shipment at Best Buy.
I contemplated, briefly, to do it for the PS4 launch, but I couldn't even convince myself I wanted one and it seems my brain was waiting for my own personal decision before I could even pre-order. That brain didn't even think to pre-order exclusively for the purpose of reselling it, which come to think of it, I'm quite bummed. I should have pre-ordered.

But you are CREATING the temporary market. Even if you are a minority, you are making the situation worse. And the fact of the matter is, if only people who wanted to actually play the system bought it, there would be no resell market.

There is a limited supply at launch, and all the greedy assholes who want to make a few bucks go and buy one just to sell. Thousands of people do this, which then deprives thousands of normal people from buying one in a normal manner. A normal guy who just wants to play a game gets stiffed because thousands of people wants to make a sleazy $100.

For example, in the Zelda 3DS thread there seems to be more people buying systems to sell than buying it to actually play it.

I mean you have people driving around town for hours preordering at multiple establishments just so that they can collect 4-5 systems and sell them. Some people camp out all night just to get a system to sell.

Scalpers are a leech on society, plain and simple. If nobody scalped, the world would undeniably be a better place. People would actually get the products they want at the intended price instead off of some sleaze on ebay. Scalpers are the ultimate middlemen, taking advantage of a situation instead of doing the decent thing. They contribute absolutely nothing to the world.

I preordered the PS4, and then later cancelled it a week or two ago. I am not so hard up for $100 that I have to resort to such scumbag methods.
 

artemicion

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I wouldn't buy a PS4 on eBay. First, I think we can all agree that at this point, the PS4 pre-release market is highly speculative. Who knows how many there will be in stock on launch day. Maybe Sony has a bunch made and are limiting pre-release availability to build hype. Or maybe there will be a shortage. But just because it happened in the past doesn't mean it's going to happen again in the future. Personally, I'm going to wait until launch to see what's available.

Second, from the rumblings on the Internets, I get the sense that auction prices for PS4's are being artificially inflated by scammers. One popular pre-release scam I've heard of is buyers who plan on possibly getting their money back PLUS the console by falsely declaring that the item was not delivered.

The basic gist of the scam is buying up PS4's on eBay hoping that the seller tries to save shipping costs by having the PS4 delivered directly from the point-of-sale (Amazon, Walmart, etc.) to the eBay buyer. These places typically do not require signature confirmation, but eBay DOES require signature confirmation. When the PS4 is delivered, the scammer files a claim, the eBay seller must give the money back and the buyer keeps the PS4. In the event that the PS4 is shipped with signature confirmation, the scammer simply does not accept the package, the PS4 is shipped back to the seller and the scammer does not lose any money.

I have no idea how prolific these scams are on eBay, but I wouldn't be surprised if eBay prices for PS4 prereleases are artificially inflated by scammers who don't care how much they bid because they are going to get their money back one way or another. I also haven't read eBays policies, so I don't know if the scam still works, but I've gotten screwed over by it in a slightly different context in the past, so it sounds feasible to me. I also know that eBay is pretty buyer-friendly, so if the PS4 is shipped back to the seller, the scammer is probably going to get his money back at the very least.

If you are planning on selling a PS4 via prerelease on eBay, I would be very careful and make sure you get signature confirmation when you deliver. DO NOT try to save shipping costs by having Amazon/Walmart/Best Buy/etc. ship directly to the buyer.
 

HeXen

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So much butthurt in this thread

the jelly of others making some extra xmas money? Cause that's what I'm seeing. I don't give a crap who makes what or who buys what...leave people alone, you're all being weirdo's!:|
 

purbeast0

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the jelly of others making some extra xmas money? Cause that's what I'm seeing. I don't give a crap who makes what or who buys what...leave people alone, you're all being weirdo's!:|

yeah it is pretty amusing. i also find it amusing that people think only poor people do this. yeah, poor people can splurge and buy $400 items to resell. i guess they use their ebt cards at walmart while the system is down to get them to resell.

i got like $1400 worth of shit coming from amazon in the span of a week from the PS4 and X1 launch, and it will all be paid off as soon as it is on my cc. but i must be poor because i don't want to keep the ps4 and want to maybe make a few hundred bucks. poor poor me :(
 

sze5003

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Some people fail to see how the market for popular items work. As stated before, the consumers create the market. It's been like this for years. Assuming everyone who does this is a scumbag, well anyone can say what they want.

If I see there is potential to make money even if it's not so much, why not take the opportunity? If it doesn't work, well keep it then. If watchdogs was available on launch day I would not be thinking of selling it.

Besides all these people on eBay listing the consoles with generic pics of receipts and pre orders is pretty lame. You will get better sales if you pick up the system and take an actual pic of the box in your house, so as not to seem like scamming someone.

Also, you set it for 5 days and see what happens. If the price is driven up oh well. People that create second accounts to bid, that's a scumbag move in my opinion.

Take a look at the saitek x52 pro hotas.. pretty old flight stick still selling for a good amount.
 

SAWYER

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the jelly of others making some extra xmas money? Cause that's what I'm seeing. I don't give a crap who makes what or who buys what...leave people alone, you're all being weirdo's!:|

yes that is what I mean
 

artemicion

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Some people fail to see how the market for popular items work. As stated before, the consumers create the market. It's been like this for years. Assuming everyone who does this is a scumbag, well anyone can say what they want.

If I see there is potential to make money even if it's not so much, why not take the opportunity? If it doesn't work, well keep it then. If watchdogs was available on launch day I would not be thinking of selling it.

Besides all these people on eBay listing the consoles with generic pics of receipts and pre orders is pretty lame. You will get better sales if you pick up the system and take an actual pic of the box in your house, so as not to seem like scamming someone.

Also, you set it for 5 days and see what happens. If the price is driven up oh well. People that create second accounts to bid, that's a scumbag move in my opinion.

Take a look at the saitek x52 pro hotas.. pretty old flight stick still selling for a good amount.

I resold a lot in my college years and still do occasionally, so I'm just playing devil's advocate, but I appreciate both sides of the argument.

On one hand, resellers like us are definitely in the business of hoarding scarce resources and exploiting them. This is undeniable truth. It is also true in certain cases that resellers contribute to the scarcity of resources because our collective hoarding exacerbates the scarcity and drives up prices. It is also true that there have been many sad kids who didn't get the hot console of the year because their parents couldn't find it at the store.

If you adhere to a worldview that it is a dog-eat-dog, capitalistic world, then this does not register on your moral compass. To some, it's not evil to go out in the streets and hustle to make your money. This is how most businesses operate in a capitalistic society, so unless you work for a non-profit, you are probably, directly or indirectly, essentially doing the same thing.

On the other hand, if you adhere to the worldview that resources should be shared and you shouldn't take more than you need, more power to you. I respect that. I'm not gonna lie, there's some days where I wish I wasn't such a slave to chasing dollars and cents all day and was satisfied with what I had, etc.
 

destrekor

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But you are CREATING the temporary market. Even if you are a minority, you are making the situation worse. And the fact of the matter is, if only people who wanted to actually play the system bought it, there would be no resell market.

There is a limited supply at launch, and all the greedy assholes who want to make a few bucks go and buy one just to sell. Thousands of people do this, which then deprives thousands of normal people from buying one in a normal manner. A normal guy who just wants to play a game gets stiffed because thousands of people wants to make a sleazy $100.

For example, in the Zelda 3DS thread there seems to be more people buying systems to sell than buying it to actually play it.

I mean you have people driving around town for hours preordering at multiple establishments just so that they can collect 4-5 systems and sell them. Some people camp out all night just to get a system to sell.

Scalpers are a leech on society, plain and simple. If nobody scalped, the world would undeniably be a better place. People would actually get the products they want at the intended price instead off of some sleaze on ebay. Scalpers are the ultimate middlemen, taking advantage of a situation instead of doing the decent thing. They contribute absolutely nothing to the world.

I preordered the PS4, and then later cancelled it a week or two ago. I am not so hard up for $100 that I have to resort to such scumbag methods.

You're missing the economics 101 point here.

The consumer, the buyer, is actually creating the market and demand. The resellers can do whatever they want, including not participating at all in the resellers market, but it's the people WHO WANT TO BUY IT, RIGHT MEOW! that have created the demand and some people have learned how to predict these temporary markets and figure, why not? Might as well capitalize.

If nobody resold, sure, you'd make a slightly happier little world that would last all of, eh.... five minutes.
Why? You take down such a market from ebay and craigslist. Guess what still happens?

"oh, hey fellow co-worker. You got a PS4? I promised little Timmy one, but I couldn't pre-order fast enough. How much to convince you to sell it to me?"

It doesn't work exactly like that, but the end point is there will ALWAYS be moments of "quantity: difficult to locate" for many products, and greedy, impatient people will ALWAYS want to have it right away, regardless of need, desires, common sense, etc.

These temporary markets exist for every major hype, low supply device. Right now, people are banking on the limited supply concept. I'm sure there may be one temporarily, but I don't expect there to be extreme difficulty locating PS4s a week or two after launch. Even then, that's long enough to coax out the "gimme now! here's twice the MSRP! It's mine!" types.

Furby's, Beany Baby's, iPhones, consoles, next hot holiday kid's item, etc. It's always been with us, and forever it shall be. When someone feels OK saying, "you know what, I just CANNOT wait a whole two weeks. My world will be ruined. Hey, I'll spend $800 on this $400 item, guaranteeing I get it now. Sure, sounds good! Deal!" then who is to blame the people willing to accept that money?

BTW, yes it seems like "a lot" of people do this, but in reality, it cannot be more than say, 5% of the launch volume. Maybe, just maybe, it's like 10-15%, yet I highly doubt that.
If that 5 or 10% of buyers decide to not buy it for purposes of resell, and that opens up 5-10% of potential units to be sold only to those who will use it, guess what? There's still plenty of people willing to pay whatever it takes to have one the moment they decide they want one, not a moment too late.

I'm not saying the whole concept is sparkling, squeaky clean in terms of morality, but it's hardly morally suspect and is perfect justified and OK in my books.
Except for the sellers who go out of their way to have as much product as possible for these events, the worst you can say about such a market is that it is enabling those who are willing to spend more than the MSRP for the product. Honestly, that's the worst thing I see about it - but they'd find a way to be dumb with their money anyway, and whether the temporary market is highly established or just word of mouth, "I'll accept your offer for this thing I own but didn't intend to sell", those people WILL find a way to spend that kind of money.
 

exdeath

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Buying one or two and flipping at least one is somewhat bearable.

The dick thing is when you see people on ebay or craigslist posting pics of their pyramid of like 10 units.
 

Kev

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It's not about being a businessman or anything - it's simply taking advantage of a temporary market.

It's not taking advantage of individuals, however. It's perfectly legitimate, and people have demonstrated they wish to create a market of exactly this kind. It always exists for high-demand products, because there are always people willing to pay more to have right away instead of waiting patiently like everyone else. THEY want, THEY pay it, because THEY *HAVE* to have it - some people are simply willing to say, okay fine, you want to pay quite a bit more than the retail price, here you can have mine.

Now, if people were taking advantage of people, in that the sellers were actually duping the buyers, well that's just morally wrong.
I don't see this practice, however, to even be morally questionable. The sellers aren't making the market (unless it is literally resellers buying all the launch product, which doesn't happen -they are a minority), they are merely making use of the temporary market opportunity to pad their wallets a little bit.

I did the same thing in the PS3 launch, after initially only pre-ordering to have a personal one. Then I sold it, and it was only a few weeks until I stumbled upon a fresh shipment at Best Buy.
I contemplated, briefly, to do it for the PS4 launch, but I couldn't even convince myself I wanted one and it seems my brain was waiting for my own personal decision before I could even pre-order. That brain didn't even think to pre-order exclusively for the purpose of reselling it, which come to think of it, I'm quite bummed. I should have pre-ordered.

Stop trying to explain economics to simpletons.

I have better things to do than to explain to simpletons like you why thread crapping and personal attacks are unacceptable. Thread locked.
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