Historically least prepared for college high school class in history...

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Here comes the next generation of leaders... ACT scores dropped for the 6th year in a row, to now reach the lowest level ever measured for the ~1.4 million high school students taking the test this year, at a 19.5 average. For comparison, the ACT average as recently as 2017 was at 21.0, with 2 million taking the test that year, and the average had hovered between 20.7-21.2 for the 25 years prior.
(Some sites mention lowest since 1991, but the test was completely rebased in 1990/1991, increasing average scores by ~2 full points vs. older harder version -- so on comparable basis, this is by far the lowest scores ever recorded).
The proportion of what ACT calls “Covid cohort seniors” who did not meet any of the benchmark scores considered necessary to succeed in college reached a historic high of 43%.

As the test is generally only taken by those looking to go to college, having 43% of this subset of high schoolers failing all four of English, science, reading, and math isn't exactly promising. (Notably, meanwhile, average GPA scores continue to increase with non-stop grade inflation).
 

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Humm, wrong thread. How did that happen...
 
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It's not going to get any better. The core fundamentals that elementary kids missed during Covid is going to be felt for decades. Teachers are exhausted. Parents are exhausted. We're pretty well fucked for the time being. I say this as a parent of a Jr High and High School kid.
 

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I didn't think the schools should have been closed for COVID, and am not surprised by this result. My sister is a public school teacher and she says the distance learning was a joke. The kids did not pay attention when at home and would often wonder off. I didn't think it was a great idea to set millions of children back in their education to save what I believe would have been a small number of people.
 
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It's not going to get any better. The core fundamentals that elementary kids missed during Covid is going to be felt for decades. Teachers are exhausted. Parents are exhausted. We're pretty well fucked for the time being. I say this as a parent of a Jr High and High School kid.
I'm right there with you with a high school student, thinking we were in a pretty bad situation but in this household we’re acutely aware of it and taking some actions to hopefully mitigate this.

We knowingly came into a school system that was not as robust as the one we came from in Connecticut. Add to that our kid performs below his grade level and has had an IEP since first grade.

In a way I feel further ahead of the parents struggling with this because of the pandemic.
 

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My son was going through 2nd grade when it all started and he basically stagnated there. His hand writing - not just form but ability to write complete sentences is alarmingly bad for what a 6th grader should be doing. At that point I was working towards full paragraph formatted reports. He's not a dumb kid, but he just simply can't do this. They didn't get any classroom time to practice the physical art of writing, let alone the mental aspect of how to bring it together. Years on a chromebook and learning how to voice dictate things is now the cheat button.

It's really scary how far behind they are. And I'm not even getting into the brain rot and social decay that is smart phones and social media. Yikes.
 

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Our grandson did the whole sixth grade remotely during the pandemic. We were able to keep him on task, get used to scheduling his day, and he found out by himself that multitasking helps immensely. We see him applying many of these skills now because he was easily distracted with other students in the classroom.

I can't say that this would have been the normal situation for all the parents during that time. I'm retired and my wife works from.
 

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Lock down drills. School shootings. Parents screaming at teachers. Book banning. Bomb threats. Oh and that's just the last 6 weeks of my kids life.
We have found it amazing the amount of history this child that we raise has seen during his few 14 years on this rock! We brought it to his attention when we felt he was old enough to understand, he realizes it now and we've gone through it when major events happened/happen.

I didn't have protocols with my parents when I was his age about what to do in case of a home invasion, when we're out and there's a fucking mass shooting, see his school bus being stopped in the middle of the street by an irate parent because of the fight.

My wife and me raised three adult children before this. There was some racial shit in their high school, and I had to pick my son up because he had weed in his pocket once, and we caught our daughter sneaking out at night once.

Yeah, this generations got it easy…
 
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Lock down drills. School shootings. Parents screaming at teachers. Book banning. Bomb threats. Oh and that's just the last 6 weeks of my kids life.
Kids in the US are F'ed. No way around that. It's not that bad in the rest of the world. Kids have better access to technologies. They don't have to read or write as much. Exams/assignments on tablets. Parents rejoicing if their couch potato/gamer kid gets a B coz they feared much worse. Lots of teenagers and young adults enjoying life as streamers and making decent income.

The opportunities without investing in your education have exploded and the kids of today don't have to stress their neurons that much. And the cycle will continue. Their grandchildren will be using generative AI for everything and then the kids of today in the future will say the same thing. "Kids these days have things so easy".
 
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The opportunities without investing in your education have exploded and the kids of today don't have to stress their neurons that much. And the cycle will continue. Their grandchildren will be using generative AI for everything and then the kids of today in the future will say the same thing. "Kids these days have things so easy".

I think that's the opposite of the reality. The opportunities for attaining a decent standard of living without spending half your life in education have increasingly disappeared.

The only thing I envy the young about (apart from the fact that by definition they are further away from being dead of old age) is how accessible entertainment media is now. That seems to be an ongoing process, judging from the way my parents would emphasize how boring the 1950s were, with NOTHING fun to do. Entertainment and distraction gets ever-more available while the basics, like housing or health care, get ever more scarce.
 

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It's not going to get any better. The core fundamentals that elementary kids missed during Covid is going to be felt for decades. Teachers are exhausted. Parents are exhausted. We're pretty well fucked for the time being. I say this as a parent of a Jr High and High School kid.
Trend started prior to COVID.

Probably has much more to do with the massive increase in single parent families, decrease in school funding, and the full frontal anti-education assault from right wingers.
 

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Trend started prior to COVID.

Probably has much more to do with the massive increase in single parent families, decrease in school funding, and the full frontal anti-education assault from right wingers.
COVID was the big step change, although trend was worsening basically since... Trumpism. Single parent families has been relatively static last few years, but definite attacks on education widened and emboldened since Trump
 

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Show us how you don't have any children by not saying you have kids.

GTFO with that idiocy.
i took it as sarcasm, as it's pretty obvious kids today have it significantly harder by practically any metric.

edit: after seeing the comments about twitch, nope, igor was being serious. fuck that noise.
 

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What we actually need out of education has fundamentally changed. For example, you don't need to learn trigonometry. Anyone that needs trigonometry for a job or project can learn exactly what they need in 15 seconds of Googling and then forget it again 15 minutes after using it until the next time it is needed and Googled.

If someone decides to be a writer they can learn about language anytime when they need it as they need it.

Basic reading, basic math, basic scientific principles, problem solving, logic and reasoning, and basic technical skills are most of what is needed to survive and thrive. Anyone with those fundamentals can learn to specialize in anything they want to from there.

We've removed discovery and problem solving from our kids. That's not making it easy. It's a failure.
I have the privilege of living in CT and this is not the case in my town. I have a 6th grader and 4th grader and their math curriculum from the little I have seen is geared toward problem solving. They teach multiple ways to reach the same answer. My town also had the resources to get through the pandemic relatively unscathed. My kids didn't miss a beat. My wife and I both work from home, so of course that helped.
 
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It's not going to get any better. The core fundamentals that elementary kids missed during Covid is going to be felt for decades. Teachers are exhausted. Parents are exhausted. We're pretty well fucked for the time being. I say this as a parent of a Jr High and High School kid.
It won't get any better until they stop teaching to pass specific tests, and return to teaching to educate for retainable knowledge. Of course the government agencies also have to remove the ropes tying teacher's hands and give them back the freedom to teach in a manner that connects with each of their students. We also need to stop rubber stamping kids thru the k-12 education system, and return to holding them back a grade or two, when necessary.
 
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