Hillary vows to break up OPEC

[marincounty]

Originally posted by: Robor

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: M0RPH
She's showing boldness and speaking out against the monopolistic practises of OPEC, good for her. She never said she was going to "smash" or "break up" OPEC, that wording was purely invented by the author of the article and the OP here.

Ha.. that spin has already been attempted in this thread.

Heh, it's not a spin and you can say what you want or how you interpret her words but it doesn't change the fact that she never said about breaking up OPEC. Challenging how OPEC goes about their business and politics yes, but never anything about breaking it up.

Ok then it's empty promises pandering for votes. What's she going to promise next? Worldwide regulation of the internet?

Empty promises pandering for votes is a proven winning formula. See Ronald Reagan and GWB. Republicans have been using this formula for years. Reagan was going to cut taxes and increase military spending, all while balancing the budget. That didn't quite work out that way.
Remember Bush and his economic advisors and the surpluses as far as the eye can see, leading to nearly everyone endorsing the tax cuts which have resulted in huge deficits.
Bush even complained about the high cost of gasoline under the Democrats!

And either Al Bore or John Kerry was vastly better than the idiot Bush. Both of them actually served their country in Vietnam, Bush was awol. Bush was also a complete failure as a businessman, and anyone who looked into his backround at all realized he was completely unfit to be president. Some are now calling him the worst president ever.

I can only conclude that yes, most voters are idiots. And Hillary is running a smart, pandering campaign. It doesn't really matter to me if it's Hillary or Obama, either one is going to crush McCain.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: marincounty
It doesn't really matter to me if it's Hillary or Obama, either one is going to crush McCain.

On this, marin, you and I are finally in complete agreement on something.

 

[Lash444]

http://www.theaustralian.news....,23656463-2703,00.html



With her back against the wall in today's election, it seems there is no end to the populist rhetoric and bald-faced pandering lies that Hillary will resort to. Is this really the kind of person we want as our next President?
Forget about the fact that OPEC doesn't control oil prices or that the US has no control over this international organization, she's promising to take them out.
Forget that the gas tax holiday is a shell game at best, economists are ivory tower elitists.
Forget that the NRA hates her as the antichrist, she attacks Obama for his stance on guns.
Forget that Bill pushed through NAFTA and China Free Trade Act while President, she was always against them, even though no one recalls ever hearing her say so at the time.
Sniper fire in Bosnia... on and on and on.

It's bad enough when our politicians secretly deceive us, how can anyone tolerate Hillary's blatant bald-faced lying? Have we not learned our lessons from the past?

To the people of North Carolina and Indiana: please cast your vote for Obama and put an end to this insanity today.

" Have we not learned our lessons from the past?"

""Forget about the fact that OPEC doesn't control oil prices or that the US has no control over this international organization, she's promising to take them out."

Welp...

 

[compuwiz1]

Necro alert, first of all. That said, she's irrelevant and extremely controversial. If you don't like Obama, you won't vote for her. If you like Obama, you won't vote for her. She probably won't run (fine by me), but most people see her as a shadow of BC. That doesn't win elections....at least it shouldn't.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Necro alert, first of all. That said, she's irrelevant and extremely controversial. If you don't like Obama, you won't vote for her. If you like Obama, you won't vote for her. She probably won't run (fine by me), but most people see her as a shadow of BC. That doesn't win elections....at least it shouldn't.

Considering the short memory of most, especially the press there are times when old threads aren't bad to revisit. I believe she's a Hawk and that bothers me. Dangle UHC in front of some here and she can wage any war or most anything decent people would approve of in a heartbeat.

 

[HomerJS]

Not a Hillary fan and stuff like this confirms it.

Energy independence would go a long way to make neuter OPEC. I'm not talking just oil but pushing hard/investing in alternate energy sources.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Not a Hillary fan and stuff like this confirms it.

Energy independence would go a long way to make neuter OPEC. I'm not talking just oil but pushing hard/investing in alternate energy sources.

I agree. We started doing this after the 70's oil embargo and killed it because it didn't make dollar sense then. Well hells bells, virtually NO scientific research offers that. If we used the stupid standard of today over the last 250 years we'd be riding horses, if we were lucky. Forty years of opportunity wasted but we had to put boots in the ground in how many countries at the cost of trillions dollars and countless lives? Talk about not making sense.

 

[cabri]

Research and the willingness to go against the political pressures that oppose the research.

 

[Lash444]

Necro alert, first of all. That said, she's irrelevant and extremely controversial. If you don't like Obama, you won't vote for her. If you like Obama, you won't vote for her. She probably won't run (fine by me), but most people see her as a shadow of BC. That doesn't win elections....at least it shouldn't.

You like to speak for everyone.

"If you like Obama, you won't vote for her."

"She probably won't run"

"most people see her as a shadow of BC"

I am going to guess you are completely wrong on all three points. Care to make a new thread so I can necro that, and remind you when you are wrong about those points in 2016?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

What the fuck is her solution? Go give Saudi Arabia some FREEDOM FRIES?

Yes, we are at a WORLD ECONOMY. The world is not capitalism. USA is (well mostly) capitalism. What are we going to do? Put a gun to every country and tell them to go capitalism and obey some kind of world economic laws?

This is laughable. God damn fucking laughable. Why don't you do something even more fucking stupid and say America will be no longer be energy/oil dependent under her watch

(Nevermind prices going up 10x. You don't mind filling up at $20/gallon do you?)

 

[Sonikku]

I always wondered what it would be like to have an honest president. Something even close would probably be mind-boggling.

An honest president would be unelectable.

 

[compuwiz1]

An honest president would be unelectable.

Sad isn't it? Liberals would no longer get to act like spoiled brats. There would actually have to be personal responsibility and less reliance on government funding for their little social programs. We wouldn't have assholes like Obama, Holder, Jackson and Sharpton racially dividing the country and fueling riot activity. The smack down would be delicious.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Sad isn't it? Liberals would no longer get to act like spoiled brats. There would actually have to be personal responsibility and less reliance on government funding for their little social programs. We wouldn't have assholes like Obama, Holder, Jackson and Sharpton racially dividing the country and fueling riot activity. The smack down would be delicious.

OK, let's accept at face value that liberals would not make out well. In this scenario conservatives do not exist.

 

[Jaskalas]

Your idea of change is a false one. Washington DC will corrupt Obama like anyone else.

:whiste:...

 

[Jaskalas]

Hillary vows to break up OPEC

I wonder what that means in today's terms... an American Shale subsidy? Our economy might be strong enough to fund the destruction of OPEC, if those Middle East countries cannot afford to sell cheap oil.

Would "break up OPEC" be a benefit to the world? If their countries collapsed and terrorism reigned over the oil fields, do we think global energy prices would be cheaper?

I think... potentially not. If we conspired against OPEC we might be conspiring to disrupt and dismantle a significant portion of the world's energy supply.

 

[piasabird]

Just have the EU levy billion $$ fines against these oil companies for collusion.

That is what they do to Microsoft.

 

[piasabird]

They only way you can affect OPEC is to produce more domestic oil and force the market to control OPEC.

 

[hal2kilo]

Sad isn't it? Liberals would no longer get to act like spoiled brats. There would actually have to be personal responsibility and less reliance on government funding for their little social programs. We wouldn't have assholes like Obama, Holder, Jackson and Sharpton racially dividing the country and fueling riot activity. The smack down would be delicious.

I hate this over used phrase but you made me do it.

Never go full retard!

Edit:I will not be voting for Hillary.

 

[theeedude]

Republicans should spend more time thinking about who they nominate.

 

[Fern]

The best, and likely only way to break up OPEC is to not need their product.

Anybody thinking Hillary or the US govt or UN is going to tell the Arabs how to run their oil business is suffering the worse kind of arrogant delusion.

While it's true they need our money, it's equally true that we (global community) need their oil products. I'm betting it's a lot easier for OPEC to hold on to their oil for a few weeks/months and go without sales than it is for Europe to go without heat during the Winter.

Fern

 

[Zorkorist]

They don't need our money. Oil is a commodity, and if we don't buy it, someone else will.

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Wow, this is a 2008 thread?

-John

 

[Zorkorist]

Bumper is in the (American) oil industry, I guess.

-John

 

[sportage]

Again, if America was totally oil independent, the American oil companies would rape us a new one and we'd all be paying $5+ a gal for gas FOREVER!!!

Drill baby drill is a total fantasy. And believe me, you do not want drill baby drill.

Take note folks...
FYI, a little insider info on oil pricing, currently oil companies that lease land and drill in North Dakota are currently shutting down oil well production in attempts to jack the price of oil back up.
How do I know this?
Our family owns 80 acres of oil land in ND and a hand full of my relatives actually work the wells.
They have been bitching during the last three days that the ND oil wells are shutting down, some of the wells that is, and working hours are being cut.
All as an attempts by the leasing oil company(s) to control the price of oil.

You heard it here first.
So my advice?
Fill er up on the way home while gas prices are cheap.
Because, it's not going to last.

 

[Matt1970]

Drill baby drill is a total fantasy. And believe me, you do not want drill baby drill.

Do you even know why gas is cheap right now? If you did you probably wouldn't have said that.