Phokus
Lifer
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LMFAO! Dude, you can see Obama's quite lengthy policy in detail on his website. That's the lamest 10 second soundbyte/talking point ever. The difference is, Obama doesn't pander to his constituents while Hillary is pandering to her idiot supporters with promises she knows she couldn't possibly keep or promises that are just plain IDIOTIC (i.e. her gas tax proposal which almost every economist worth their salt is panning).
I can't believe there are idiots who actually eat this stuff up :roll:
But then again, you're a Jets fan so...
Fern
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I knew this sentiment would pop up again.....
A while back we had a thread about 188 specific plans detailed by Obama, and some Repub Congressman claims to have budgeted about 120 of them and how much they would cost.
How is 188 specific plans nothing but "bread crumbs as a morsel of substance"?
Fern
:music: You spin me right round baby right round like a record baby right round round round. :music:
bamacre
Lifer
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Hillary voted for the war in Iraq, voted for the Patriot Act, voted for sanctions against Iran, voted for doubling the department of education, voted for the Medicare prescription drug bill, she has voted for every lousy, moronic, and dangerous bill that passed during Bush's terrible reign. He's the worst president in history and Hillary voted in favor of just about everything he did. How people, especially people here, could support her for President, well, it just makes me wonder. I swear they'd vote for a 3rd Bush term before they'd vote for Obama.
One is talking about change in the political process by bringing in the voice of the mass. That is done through inspiring leaders. The other is talking about changing something that will not be changed but sure does sound nice on the news.
I would not refer to Hillary Clinton as an "Honest President"????
Where did that box of records from the Rose Law Firm come from that magically appeared in the white house???
She is a lawyer after all. While she was the first lady she ran a smear campaign to miscredit her husband's girl friends. Lets get real here.
Where did that box of records from the Rose Law Firm come from that magically appeared in the white house???
She is a lawyer after all. While she was the first lady she ran a smear campaign to miscredit her husband's girl friends. Lets get real here.
She's showing boldness and speaking out against the monopolistic practises of OPEC, good for her. She never said she was going to "smash" or "break up" OPEC, that wording was purely invented by the author of the article and the OP here.
Heh, it's not a spin and you can say what you want or how you interpret her words but it doesn't change the fact that she never said about breaking up OPEC. Challenging how OPEC goes about their business and politics yes, but never anything about breaking it up.
Ok then it's empty promises pandering for votes. What's she going to promise next? Worldwide regulation of the internet?
Funny how everything she detailed and outlined are empty promises, but when some other candidate who talk about "change" without saying how he is gonna bring about that change nor prove that he brought any changes in his own state is all good, no question asked.
OPEC, a cartel, formed as a group of foreign countries, of which only a few are part of the WTO, is going to cave into Clinton's challenges of their business practices? Is it a secret at all what OPEC does? So, from the way you're reading the article, she wants to expand US anti-monopoly laws so that she can challenge OPEC merely by questioning its business policies and politics? The only way to challenge OPEC is to dismantle it or to push for a massive movement of moving away from using oil. You said it yourself, this is an inelastic good and our abilities to merely challenge them with US laws is basically pointless.
ATPN, masters of continuously going around in circles. Obama has offered his methods for change, people disregard the post and the post the same damn nonsense about him not offering a plan. It's just plain stupid at this point.
DrPizza
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Oh, so by her definition of monopoly, OPEC is a monopoly.
When will she go after DeBeers? RIAA? MPAA?
When will she go after DeBeers? RIAA? MPAA?
Again, you are the only one saying the only way to challenge OPEC is to dismantle it, not Clinton. OPEC members are just countries like any other countries in the world. They are not immune to diplomacy, negotiation, deals, compromise and partnerships. We want oil, those countries may want other thing. Clinton want to take on those countries, one of her first thoughts is going through WTO which promotes fair trade. She is not a superwomen, she will not come up with a silver bullet today to solve OPEC problem. But what is important is she bring the issue to the table. OPEC is a key to oil prices, and to have reasonable oil prices without drastic spikes (like Goldman Sachs suggested we may see $200 per barrel in 6~24 month) someone must work with OPEC in anyway, threat, deals, compromise, anyway we can.
Yeah and about Obama and his change, I lived in Chicago for 9 years and I have seen zip.
Like I already said, the only way to deal with a cartel of countries (key word being countries) is through force, especially when they offer an inelastic product. Our demand is much higher than they ever need to supply, therefore, claiming that you're going to extend US anti-monopoly laws to a global scale is not only unrealistic but basically impossible. We're not talking about a trade partner that's dependent on the US. We're talking about a group of countries that holds most of the cards. Feel free to show me what diplomacy has worked with OPEC though if you feel that it's a possibility.
Also, in regards to your jab against Obama, I have many friends who live in Chicago who are social workers working in Southside Chicago and they see alot of the work he's done. Considering you're a middle class suburbanite living in Northern, Greater Chicago area, it's obvious that you're not going to feel a huge difference. You have a terribly narrow scope and your point of view on OPEC and now Chicago definitely exhibits it.
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